Hillary Clinton leaves flowers for Our Lady of Guadalupe, asks ‘Who painted it?’

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Sister_G said:
Rest assured I am no fan of the Clintons, but everyone has an immortal soul that belongs to God. I really don’t have high expectations for Hillary regarding knowledge of our precious Catholic Faith, but I can hope for her conversion and salvation. We are coming upon some intense times in our world and we know Who the Victor is! If we are true to the test we should want everyone to be on the winning team - even though it may seem nearly impossible!
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:gopray: We can pray.

It must have seemed even more unlikely to the first Christians that Paul and stop harrassing them. But we know the miracle that occurred with him.🙂
 
And why is anyone SURPRISED by this stupid woman’s question???
LOOK WHO SHE’S MARRIED TO !!!
 
Let’s not forget, this is the same Secretary of State who gave the Russians a “reset button”–that wasn’t even in Cyrillic! How is it possible that our State Department is unaware that Russians use a different alphabet?
 
Surprising sentence, imagine that with the Saudi Arabia King She said who transport the Kabba to The Mecca, can you imagine, it? the ignorance of the politicians mainly the european about religion is impressionant.
 
mom2boyz said:
As Secretary of State isn’t her job to have a vast knowledge of important cultural items of the countries she visits?
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Ah, but you’re assuming she’s actually qualified for the position she holds.

– Mark L. Chance.
 
Re: Mrs C wearing a catholic-type (?)bracelet. Yes, it was someplace w/ a heavy Catholic vote during the early primaries. I saw enlarged pix of this online. She is no dummy!
 
MJE said:
Re: Mrs C wearing a catholic-type (?)bracelet. Yes, it was someplace w/ a heavy Catholic vote during the early primaries. I saw enlarged pix of this online. She is no dummy!
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You are right and I think I saw it on CAF, and someone posted it
 
maggiemay2u said:
Yes, and what’s your point? :rolleyes:

:whistle::whistle::whistle:
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My statement to which the above is your response, was:

“I don’t see how anybody could understand Mexico at all without understanding Our Lady of Guadalupe. Has Hillary never even been curious about why Mexicans consider themselves “the race” (la raza). You can’t understand that without understanding the miracle. The two are inextricably intertwined, and you can’t understand a single thing about Mexico without knowing that.”

Without going into the details of it, it suggests to me a bit of a “tin ear” when it comes to the cultures of others. If one goes into any area where Mexicans or Mexican-Americans abound, about every third car has a “Guadalupana” on it somewhere, typically covering about a third of the rear window. Maybe half the Mexican stores have one in the window. Many, many, many is the Mexican home with one in the front yard. Not infrequently, one sees it tattooed on an arm.

Now, I’m probably not the most curious guy on earth, but when I first saw that absolutely overwhelming use of the image, I thought “Wonder why that’s so pervasive among Mexicans?” Compared to that, plastic grapes and Italian background music in Italian restaurants are an extreme rarity and green is virtually hidden on St. Patrick’s Day.

So, being a person of very ordinary intelligence and only mild curiosity, I neverthless looked it up. “Aha!”, I thought. “It stands for the very nature of what it means to be Mexican, and explains a lot!”

But Hillary wasn’t curious enough to inquire. “Just some Catholic thing, I guess.”
 
Mrs. Clinton’s silly question truly surprises me, not because I expect her to know very much about Marian visions, but from a political perspective it betrays an ignorance that could easily cost future elections for the Democratic Party. The Hispanic vote is looming large on the American political scene and both parties are seeking every avenue into this large political block. Knowing the significance of The Virgin of Guadeloupe for Mexican Americans, as other posters have suggested, is necessary to connect with this very large group of voters who could very well swing the 2012 elections. Being the political operative he is, I really doubt Bill Clinton would have asked such a question. I’ll bet someone in the Clinton entourage heard an earfull from the new Secretary of State.
 
Tsuwano said:
Mrs. Clinton’s silly question truly surprises me, not because I expect her to know very much about Marian visions, but from a political perspective it betrays an ignorance that could easily cost future elections for the Democratic Party.
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Perhaps she has a certain “ignorance” regarding Hispanic culture, but this was not an impediment in the 2008 presidential election, when she got massive support from the Hispanic community in the primaries (more than any other candidate).
 
Dtcmccameron,

I thought it was: “The comfy chair!!!”
“Not the comfy chair?!”
 
ack said:
Perhaps she has a certain “ignorance” regarding Hispanic culture, but this was not an impediment in the 2008 presidential election, when she got massive support from the Hispanic community in the primaries (more than any other candidate).
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They never actually knew what she did or did not stand for, or the culture they come from. Just as many of those that voted for BHO did not know what “change” acrually meant.🤷
 
Robster7 said:
Dtcmccameron,

I thought it was: “The comfy chair!!!”
“Not the comfy chair?!”
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It is “the rack,” “soft cushions” and “the comfy chair.” My husband is a big Python fan, irreverence and all, and he particularly enjoys the Spanish Inquisition sketch, partly because his Dad liked it so much and hubby fondly remembers Dad roaring with laughter 🙂

youtube.com/watch?v=uprjmoSMJ-o&NR=1
Dtmccameron said:
…C’mon, mate, didn’t you pay any attention to the Spanish inquisition at all? It’s “Fluffy pillows” …
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“Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.”

Now back to the thread…
 
KathleenElsie said:
They never actually knew what she did or did not stand for, or the culture they come from. Just as many of those that voted for BHO did not know what “change” acrually meant.🤷
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Unfortunately, we all know now…

"President Obama and the Danger of Overreaching

Back before the election, I summed up my view of Barack Obama’s campaign by calling it “The Biggest Con Job in American History.” The reasons for this are simple: 60 percent of Americans view themselves as conservatives and only 36 percent self-identify as liberal. If you do the math, this means that for Obama to win the election with 53% of the vote, more than one in five conservatives who voted cast their ballot for Obama.

Why would conservatives vote for Obama? Perhaps a sense of history outweighed politics. Perhaps they simply didn’t realize how astoundingly liberal Barack Obama’s record was. Most likely it was both. A pre-election Rasmussen poll found that 27 percent of Americans viewed Obama as “a political moderate.” Considering that, now you know why over 20 percent of American conservatives voted for Obama: the benefit was being part of something historical and the cost was mitigated by the mistaken belief that he was a centrist."…

Full commentary here: americasright.com/2009/04/president-obama-and-danger-of.html
 
More than any other candidate, she promised to loosen restrictions on immigration, and therefore had a huge Hispanic following. For those not accustomed to thinking of abortion as a political issue, it seems rational to me…
KathleenElsie said:
They never actually knew what she did or did not stand for, or the culture they come from. Just as many of those that voted for BHO did not know what “change” acrually meant.🤷
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SwizzleStick said:
I guess I am being a bit sensitive, but I feel a feminist wearing a bright red pantsuit in front of the tilma is very inappropriate. In such a reverent setting, couldn’t she have chosen something a bit more muted and conservative?
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The fact that she was actually wearing a pantsuit makes her attire more conservative than what the average visitor to the Basilica wears… (Jeans are pretty common there.)
 
"Clinton then told Msgr. Monroy that she had previously visited the old Basilica in 1979, when the new one was still under construction. " But the new one was built between 1974 & 76, wasn’t it?
 
ack said:
The fact that she was actually wearing a pantsuit makes her attire more conservative than what the average visitor to the Basilica wears… (Jeans are pretty common there.)
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It is interesting how interpretations of the same thing can vary between people, isn’t it? In my view, Clinton’s attire was dressier than jeans, which I would deem too casual and inappropriate for the Basilica, but the red color is not conservative in my mind. In my view, truly conservative dress for a woman would be a dress or skirt in muted colors, with slacks or a pantsuit being a less conservative choice (one I myself make more and more since I dislike wearing hose, but I most certainly would never choose to wear a red pantsuit anywhere). But, I do see your point and concede that Clinton’s pantsuit is a better choice than jeans.
 
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