Hispanic Boom Brings Big Changes for Nation and Its Politics

[lynx]

Bush gave illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship, and a large percent of Hispanics gave their votes to Bush.

The Republican party will have to get rid of the anti illegal immigrant stance for more of the Hispanic vote.

They can still maintain an illegal immigration stance as long as they reform immigration. Example, give more work visas that allow immigrants to bring their immediate family. Employers can use this for verification and taxing purposes, so the companies get cheaper labor and Uncle Sam gets his cut. I guess you could even force them to buy health insurance, like PMI on a house, so they would be less of a drain on societal services. Just have something so immigrants can try. Make it so workers don’t have to cross illegally and there’s less of a chance they will.

 

[Roselle]

Thought Steve Sailor had an interesting write up on the new census data.

“Census 2010”
isteve.blogspot.com/2011/03/census-2010.html

From the article:

The big news was that the Hispanic population grew 43 percent during George W. Bush’s decade of 2000-2010, to more than 50,000,000.

Fifty million is a colossal number. That surpasses the population of the country of Spain and is about equal to England.

But the Main Stream Media couldn’t find much of interest to say about this phenomenon, other than to approvingly pass on the usual rote quotes of ethno-triumphalism from self-designated Latino Leaders.

The MSM’s problem is that they’ve told us so many times before about the vibrant—if vague—future ahead of us in a Hispanicized America that few outlets seemed able to even try to whip up much enthusiasm for this latest milestone.

Nevertheless, there remains much to be said. For example: what is the impact on global carbon emissions of this vast transfer of population from low per capita emission Latin America to high emission USA?

Of course, you aren’t supposed to talk about stuff like that.

But, then, what else is there left to talk about after all these years?

 

[Abyssinia]

Examples of the Dem race card? Dems play to social services, hence bigger government, that minorities and immigrants are more likely to use. When repubs start giving more sizable tax breaks and services to the people at the bottom, who live paycheck to paycheck sometimes choosing between food and bills, then they’ll get a better chunk of the voters. Right now, it appears that repubs are only concerned about the wealthiest of Americans who are predominantly white.

thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/05/30/wealth-race-and-gender/
ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v64n4/v64n4p1.html

How are the repubs helping people that aren’t millionaires (reaching out)?

Fighting against over regulation that strangles entrepreneurship, ‘‘empowerment’’ zones’’ for poor communities so people could get their own home instead of relying on the government etc.

The Democrats have had control of the inner cities for the last 50 years, what have they done? War on Poverty. The reason Hispanic people are largely voting for the Democrats is because if the liberal stance on illegal immigration, when Bush offered a pathway for citizenship to illegal immigrants his share of the Hispanic vote went up.

As for the race card psr13 explained it:

The Republican party has tried to get Hispanic votes, but the Democratic smear machine is very hard to break in this circumstance. This is particularly true out here. Every single election cycle, the Dems come out with the race card and label Republicans are racists and anti-immigrants. The truth is that they are anti-illegal immigration, but the truth doesn’t win out usually. Shoot, in one election recently a Democrat painted a Republican as anti-immigrant. The problem? That Republican is an immigrant himself.

 

[lynx]

Fighting against over regulation that strangles entrepreneurship, ‘‘empowerment’’ zones’’ for poor communities so people could get their own home instead of relying on the government etc.

Except that recent de-regulation in the past decade hasn’t been helping jobs and led to the current recession. My point being is where are the policies that are directly helping these minorities and immigrants in the USA? The repub idea is to use trickle-down theory for everything, which hasn’t been shown to be working for the past decade so why keep pushing it? There needs to be a new mix of fiscal policy and stimulation through taxes, tax breaks, regulation, and de-regulations.

The Democrats have had control of the inner cities for the last 50 years, what have they done? War on Poverty. The reason Hispanic people are largely voting for the Democrats is because if the liberal stance on illegal immigration, when Bush offered a pathway for citizenship to illegal immigrants his share of the Hispanic vote went up.

That’s not a realistic avenue for most repubs. They need a way to stand firm on illegal immigrants and still push legal immigration.

The Republican party has tried to get Hispanic votes, but the Democratic smear machine is very hard to break in this circumstance. This is particularly true out here. Every single election cycle, the Dems come out with the race card and label Republicans are racists and anti-immigrants. The truth is that they are anti-illegal immigration, but the truth doesn’t win out usually.

I’m sure the more this is repeated the more people will believe it. Where are your sources?

 

[bbarrick8383]

Examples of the Dem race card? Dems play to social services, hence bigger government, that minorities and immigrants are more likely to use. When repubs start giving more sizable tax breaks and services to the people at the bottom, who live paycheck to paycheck sometimes choosing between food and bills, then they’ll get a better chunk of the voters. Right now, it appears that repubs are only concerned about the wealthiest of Americans who are predominantly white.

thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/05/30/wealth-race-and-gender/
ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v64n4/v64n4p1.html

How are the repubs helping people that aren’t millionaires (reaching out)?

Could you please explain, “more sizable tax breaks to the people at the bottom”?

 

[iamrefreshed]

Could you please explain, “more sizable tax breaks to the people at the bottom”?

What’s bigger than 100%?

 

[bbarrick8383]

What’s bigger than 100%?

Lol

I dunno what more a person could ask for. If you have kids and make under 50 to 60k a year in this country, you get an annual paycheck for filing your tax returns.

 

[lynx]

Could you please explain, “more sizable tax breaks to the people at the bottom”?

Of the people who pay taxes, start giving larger tax breaks from the bottom up and make the amount of tax break you can receive less the more money you make. Ex, if I make 50k as a single man I might be expected to pay 25% in taxes, whereas a company making 50m might have enough tax loopholes to only pay 10%. I feel these percentages should be switched. By giving more to these people money is more likely to be spent locally, and not outsourced to India/China/etc. Also, businesses will need to rely more on the will of the consumer for profit, meaning more competition and hopefully better services/goods. Are there drawbacks to this idea? Sure, but I think trickling up is better than trickling down where money might get lost overseas.

 

[Lujack]

You know what would win the Republican Party inner-city minority votes? It would actually also win everybody’s votes eventually: mass transit. Gettysburg has an unusually large Hispanic population for a small town in central PA (its prime apple-picking country, so there is a lot of migrant labor)-in the past few years they introduced a bus line that runs to the local supermarket.

Now Gettysburg is rural but the borough itself is a very compact town-people walk to each others houses rather than drive, walk to shops when they can, walk to church. Before that line was in, I saw the hardship for a lot of people who don’t have cars, primarily Hispanic immigrants who moved here as adults and don’t have time to learn to drive, and wouldn’t be able to afford a car if they did. But the Freedom Trolley, as they call it, makes a daily loop and hits Wal-Mart and the major supermarkets and the outlets. When it came in, everybody’s life was a lot easier.

This is even more the case in real urban areas, not the biggest of big cities like New York which already have a decent subway system, but mid-size cities where that’s not in place. That will produce a real improvement in people’s lives, it will show these minorities that the GOP is not against them on grounds of their race (which, even the liberal I am will argue that they are not; I don’t think the GOP is so much actively racist or anti-poor so much as it is complacent and fails to understand the tremendous number of conveniences you have once you get above that near-poverty level), and it will create jobs, not only because you need to build the things (or, in the case of buses, to sell you them), and because you need people to run them but because it gets people to stores easier, making it pro-business.

 

[dusty_david]

I also wondered why mexican american neighbors just did not vote republican. Then I checked out this website:

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=131843&highlight=Arpaio

wabrams

Re: Immigrant Tent Cities Under Fire

Other than the health code violations and somewhat limited access to lawyers, I’m all for it.

Re: Immigrant Tent Cities Under Fire

Gosh, how is this much different than the living arrangements many Americans have to suffer through after a natural disaster? As I recall…many are still living in much less than ideal conditions after Hurricane Katrina…so my heart is not going to break for the illegals. Are they being starved?** No one asked them to come here. Too bad they cannot send them back to their homeland quicker and we don’t have to feed them.**
:heart:Blyss

Are there children being held in the tent cities? If so, I missed that part. If it is the lawbreaking parents…so be it…they are law breakers…they are not upstanding citizens. You cannot really compare the internment camps of WW2 with the illegals being housed here today. That is apples and oranges.** As for telling anyone “I’m sorry.”…lets hear it from the illegals who stole into this country…unwanted and unwelcomed. I’ll be waiting…LOL**

:heart:Blyss

Teehee, Teehee. Teehee.

And then I found another website:

A controversial Arizona sheriff known for making his inmates wear pink underwear and eat green bologna turned his back on his state’s favored presidential candidate, opting instead to join forces with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
The Romney camp appointed Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Monday as honorary chair of the campaign in the state of Arizona.
“The first time I met the governor at a private meeting, first thing he said was ‘How’s the pink underwear doing?’” Arpaio told FOXNews.com Wednesday.
Romney asked Arpaio to join his campaign in early January after several meetings, said Arpaio, who has made his name with a tough stance on immigration in the nation’s fourth largest county.

Read more: foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255428,00.html#ixzz1HwnexGBU

For grins and giggles use goggle Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Might clue in why 3rd generation americans of mexican heritage just love love love being asked to prove that they are citizens. And you want them to vote republican. Really?

And guess what. Jokes about wetbacks and beaners don’t seem to go over real well here in the great southwest. Also talk about deporting their mothers, fathers, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. does not seem to get a lot of mexican american support. Can anyone get a clue why?

Honestly, look through this website re: immigration and mexicans. And you really wonder why mexican americans don’t vote like you? Really? I just see what a waste it is for a political party to write off the nation’s largest minority.

I’m not a catholic. But it just shocks me how white catholics seem to just dislike mexican catholics. I’m southern and I saw and heard white southern baptists’ contempt for black southern baptists. I never got how Jesus, God, and skin color got so mixed up that one group of christians can despise another another group of christians. It’s the exact same thing here. Look at the above examples. Search this website. Read about what people wrote about mexicans who are just as catholic as you. And you wonder why their kids and grandchildren will not vote for your party.

What’s the shortest phrase in the bible? Oh yeah … “Jesus wept.”

 

[exoflare]

And guess what. Jokes about wetbacks and beaners don’t seem to go over real well here in the great southwest.

Which has WHAT to do with these forums?

Also the shortest phrase in the Bible would actually be “I am” but I guess you get to ignore that since there’s no way to try relating it to the rest of your factless emotion-based rant up there.

 

[dusty_david]

Which has WHAT to do with these forums?

Also the shortest phrase in the Bible would actually be “I am” but I guess you get to ignore that since there’s no way to try relating it to the rest of your factless emotion-based rant up there.

Just check out “immigration” and “mexican” here. People posting how much they dislike and don’t want their fellow mexican catholics are right here. Tent cities and not feeding your fellow catholics. Yeah, I got it.

And it’s your lose. Mexican Americans have computers and check out this very website. Really. They do. We talk. I guess you must dislike conservatives and don’t want them to win congress or the presidency. I guess you liberals like stirring up ethnic problems. I’m sorry that you do that.

 

[lynx]

Just check out “immigration” and “mexican” here. People posting how much they dislike and don’t want their fellow mexican catholics are right here. Tent cities and not feeding your fellow catholics. Yeah, I got it.

As a little ray of sunshine here’s a positive mexican message forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=7689319&postcount=9

 

[SalesianSDB]

What I’m noticing here in Florida is a switch of party among hispanic voters. Since I’m Cuban-American and live in a very Cuban area, I’m going to be speaking primarily about Cubans.

The Cuban vote has always been contrary to other hispanic votes around the nation. There are a few reasons for this. First, Bay of Pigs. Cubans felt betrayed by Kennedy, a Democrat, during the Bay of Pigs and left the Democratic Party for the Republican Party. Secondly, Cuban immigrants came to the US in search of freedom from a Communist dictator. Because of this, many Cubans are pro-free market and very capitalist in their thinking. Back during the '08 election it wasn’t uncommon to see bumper stickers that read: “Cuba got Change in 1959” referencing Fidel Castro. And since Republicans are the strong anti-Communist party, they tend to lean Republican.

What’s interesting is that my dad’s side of the family was always major Republican and my mom’s side was all Democrat. However, my mom’s side of the family changed party affiliation due to the Elian Gonzalez incident. If you don’t know what that is, here is a link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elián_González_affair . But to make a long story short, a Cuban mother died to get her son to the US only for the Clinton administration to give him back to Cuba. I remember having the picture of the military taking him in my house and car swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2010/04/06/Elian%20raid-thumb-360x278.jpg . Very sad. And that turned many Cuban Democrats into Republicans.

Now, 2011. More than 50 years after Fidel Castro took over Cuba, the younger generation of Cubans are becoming liberals. Surprisingly, more and more young Cubans are registering Democrat. However, I even at 18 and never visited Cuba, have strong ties to my heritage that would never allow me to register Democrat.

All this being said, hispanics in general tend to be more Democrat, yes because of immigration, but the Dems are very much into government run social justice which would appeal to some Catholics who believe it’s the government’s business to get into social justice (I’m all for social justice, but leave gov’t out of it). Which is why many Catholics tend to be liberal while ignoring the abortion issue.

I hope the Republican party does something quick to get the hispanic vote. Down here we elected another Cuban Republican to the Senate (Sen. Marco Rubio). But the Republican candidates are going to have to do more in 2012 than just stop by Miami to eat at a Cuban restaurant and wish death upon Castro. They’re gonna have to really work for the vote this time.

 

[LCMS_No_More]

I also wondered why mexican american neighbors just did not vote republican. Then I checked out this website:

http://forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=131843&highlight=Arpaio

wabrams

Re: Immigrant Tent Cities Under Fire

Other than the health code violations and somewhat limited access to lawyers, I’m all for it.

Re: Immigrant Tent Cities Under Fire

Gosh, how is this much different than the living arrangements many Americans have to suffer through after a natural disaster? As I recall…many are still living in much less than ideal conditions after Hurricane Katrina…so my heart is not going to break for the illegals. Are they being starved?** No one asked them to come here. Too bad they cannot send them back to their homeland quicker and we don’t have to feed them.**
:heart:Blyss

Are there children being held in the tent cities? If so, I missed that part. If it is the lawbreaking parents…so be it…they are law breakers…they are not upstanding citizens. You cannot really compare the internment camps of WW2 with the illegals being housed here today. That is apples and oranges.** As for telling anyone “I’m sorry.”…lets hear it from the illegals who stole into this country…unwanted and unwelcomed. I’ll be waiting…LOL**

:heart:Blyss

Teehee, Teehee. Teehee.

And then I found another website:

A controversial Arizona sheriff known for making his inmates wear pink underwear and eat green bologna turned his back on his state’s favored presidential candidate, opting instead to join forces with former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.
The Romney camp appointed Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio Monday as honorary chair of the campaign in the state of Arizona.
“The first time I met the governor at a private meeting, first thing he said was ‘How’s the pink underwear doing?’” Arpaio told FOXNews.com Wednesday.
Romney asked Arpaio to join his campaign in early January after several meetings, said Arpaio, who has made his name with a tough stance on immigration in the nation’s fourth largest county.

Read more: foxnews.com/story/0,2933,255428,00.html#ixzz1HwnexGBU

For grins and giggles use goggle Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Might clue in why 3rd generation americans of mexican heritage just love love love being asked to prove that they are citizens. And you want them to vote republican. Really?

And guess what. Jokes about wetbacks and beaners don’t seem to go over real well here in the great southwest. Also talk about deporting their mothers, fathers, cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. does not seem to get a lot of mexican american support. Can anyone get a clue why?

Honestly, look through this website re: immigration and mexicans. And you really wonder why mexican americans don’t vote like you? Really? I just see what a waste it is for a political party to write off the nation’s largest minority.

I’m not a catholic. But it just shocks me how white catholics seem to just dislike mexican catholics. I’m southern and I saw and heard white southern baptists’ contempt for black southern baptists. I never got how Jesus, God, and skin color got so mixed up that one group of christians can despise another another group of christians. It’s the exact same thing here. Look at the above examples. Search this website. Read about what people wrote about mexicans who are just as catholic as you. And you wonder why their kids and grandchildren will not vote for your party.

What’s the shortest phrase in the bible? Oh yeah … “Jesus wept.”

:clapping: Thank you! :clapping: Thank you! :clapping: Thank you! :clapping:

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

 

[exoflare]

Just check out “immigration” and “mexican” here. People posting how much they dislike and don’t want their fellow mexican catholics are right here. Tent cities and not feeding your fellow catholics. Yeah, I got it.

And of course you avoid the subject once again. To refresh your memory, you said:

Jokes about wetbacks and beaners

So let’s try this one more time. Find us a joke about “wetbacks” or “beaners” on here and then get back to us. Then we can see whether to take you seriously or if you’re just making stuff up in a blind rage.

 

[exoflare]

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

No, you or anyone else here probably could have. All you’d have to do is type a bunch of random stuff without checking whether it’s true.

 

[exoflare]

I can’t find anything hateful of Mexicans here, at least on the first two pages. Maybe I missed something. Unless you consider statements like “I don’t want America turning into Mexico” as somehow being hateful. What I do see some of here is taking a lot of strawman defenses, like taking people who want to stop illegal immigration and pretending that they’re against ALL immigration. And let’s say even just for the sake of discussion that there were some kind of veiled hostility against all Mexicans on this forum - that’s still no excuse to go around making false accusations like the kind I pointed out above.

 

[exoflare]

Sorry but you can use that for anything.

“There are some fairies living in your sock drawer. If you can’t see them, I could never explain it to you.” (but it’s still true )

 

[bbarrick8383]

In other words, it’s not there.

People must be able to discuss immigration and/or race problems on this forum without others making it out to be worse than it is.