Homosexual professor at Catholic Univ "ordained" by heretical sect

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v3orb said:
Scuse me, but the great majority of criminals, perverts, pedophiles and rapists are straight men… and this is ratio based, not percentage based.
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The difference is this — I can say with a straight face that criminals, rapists, et al., are sinners who are in need of changing their ways or they will face forever the fires of hell.

You on the other hand, attempt to defend the indefensable. You try (unsuccessfully) to legitimize the illegitimate.

In your confused world, in is out… up is down… wrong is right.

Know that I honestly do feel sorry for you, and will include you in my prayers. You and your ilk remind me of what one of the messages Our Lady of Fatime gave ; “The Lord is already much offended.”
 
In your confused world, hate is something that can be covered by a veil of religion or “morals”. In your confused world, you can’t recognize that love knows no gender. In your confused world, you judge people from your high and mighty viewpoint. In your confused world, God is on the side of hate. And don’t tell me that it’s love in disguise, because that’s a complete and utter lie.
 
v3orb said:
In your confused world, hate is something that can be covered by a veil of religion or “morals”. In your confused world, you can’t recognize that love knows no gender. In your confused world, you judge people from your high and mighty viewpoint. In your confused world, God is on the side of hate. And don’t tell me that it’s love in disguise, because that’s a complete and utter lie.
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God is not on the side of hate, but he is on the side of holiness and righteousness.
 
LRThunder said:
God is not on the side of hate, but he is on the side of holiness and righteousness.
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LTR,
You sound much too Catholic for the likes of Orb. Don’t confuse him with sound Catholic teaching. It shall only confuse him initially, and then eventually enrage him.

That’s the natural course of events for those who attempt to justify perversion and sinfulness.

Whatever you do… don’t have the bad manners to point out 2,000 years of Catholic teaching or Sacred Writ. That would be too much information to ingest in one sitting.

Orb’s orb might explode.
 
First of all, my username actually stands for something. v naturally for the vatican, center of christ’s church. 3 for the trinity, foundation of Christian belief. “orb” for Orbis Unum, or one world. preferably united.
God is not on the side of hate, but he is on the side of holiness and righteousness.
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I’m definitely not debating that. I’m debating how you justify hate while calling it love.
 
v3orb said:
First of all, my username actually stands for something. v naturally for the vatican, center of christ’s church. 3 for the trinity, foundation of Christian belief. “orb” for Orbis Unum, or one world. preferably united.

I’m definitely not debating that. I’m debating how you justify hate while calling it love.
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Opposing homosexual behavior is not hate in of itself. If I was going on like Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist “Church”, you’d have a point.
 
LRThunder said:
Opposing homosexual behavior is not hate in of itself. If I was going on like Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist “Church”, you’d have a point.
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“Hate speech” like Paul uses in Romans. Homosexuals would like to be removed from that list, which by the way, is a list of the consequences of idolatry. Paul, btw, is not well-regarded by homosexuals, who try to project their own neuroses onto him.
 
v3orb said:
In your confused world, hate is something that can be covered by a veil of religion or “morals”. In your confused world, you can’t recognize that love knows no gender. In your confused world, you judge people from your high and mighty viewpoint. In your confused world, God is on the side of hate. And don’t tell me that it’s love in disguise, because that’s a complete and utter lie.
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You’re right, the love of God knows no gender, race, ethnicity, etc. But God’s love also knows no sin or anything that turns one away from His loving grace. Scipture is quite clear on what is righteous and what shows our love for the Lord, and what is sinful and turns us away from His grace. To say the love of God is for homosexuals is true, He loves all His children. But does God love their acts, absolutely not! God loves no sin! What a heretical viewpoint to think otherwise! Hating sin is not hate at all, it is only our love for God.
 
donmaximuso27 said:
You’re right, the love of God knows no gender, race, ethnicity, etc. But God’s love also knows no sin or anything that turns one away from His loving grace. Scipture is quite clear on what is righteous and what shows our love for the Lord, and what is sinful and turns us away from His grace. To say the love of God is for homosexuals is true, He loves all His children. But does God love their acts, absolutely not! God loves no sin! What a heretical viewpoint to think otherwise! Hating sin is not hate at all, it is only our love for God.
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I’m glad you brought that up. Many forget the unforgivable sin – sin against The Holy Ghost. And The Church defines that (in one particular specific) as final impertinance.

And those who cling to the falsehood (and outright lie) that homosexuality is normal and pleasing to God… and if they die with the stubborn mindset… would be in a state of final impertinence.

They will be hellward bound. It’s in The Holy Bible. The Church has taught such for 2,000 years.

But then again, there are those that disregard both Sacred Writ and Church Teaching, but still call themselves “Catholic”. And they wonder why they aren’t taken seriously.
 
donmaximuso27 said:
You’re right, the love of God knows no gender, race, ethnicity, etc. But God’s love also knows no sin or anything that turns one away from His loving grace. Scipture is quite clear on what is righteous and what shows our love for the Lord, and what is sinful and turns us away from His grace. To say the love of God is for homosexuals is true, He loves all His children. But does God love their acts, absolutely not! God loves no sin! What a heretical viewpoint to think otherwise! Hating sin is not hate at all, it is only our love for God.
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I wasn’t speaking of the love of God. I was noting a fact of human love.
 
v3orb said:
I wasn’t speaking of the love of God. I was noting a fact of human love.
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In the matters of faith and morals, which the Church teaches infallibly because it is guided by the Holy Spirit, our love is a love given to us by God and guided by the Holy Spirit. St. Paul himself talks of this love which is guided by the Holy Spirit, and is even specifically talking of the lusts of the flesh:

"16 I say then, walk in the spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary one to another: so that you do not the things that you would. 18 But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are fornication, uncleanness, immodesty, luxury, 20 Idolatry, witchcrafts, enmities, contentions, emulations, wraths, quarrels, dissensions, sects,

21 Envies, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like. Of the which I foretell you, as I have foretold to you, that they who do such things shall not obtain the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is, charity, joy, peace, patience, benignity, goodness, longanimity, 23 Mildness, faith, modesty, continency, chastity. Against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ’s, have crucified their flesh, with the vices and concupiscences. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit."

If you truly know of the nature of God’s love, they you will realize that our love is God’s love. If we abide by His will we will be guided by the Holy Spirit and recieve the “fruit of the Spirit.” A holy and righteous person has love that is the same as God’s, for both neither love sin, and also because God himself is existent in both the person and God.
 
Oh snap 😃

but are you then saying that a person’s love can be equal to God’s love?
 
v3orb said:
Oh snap 😃

but are you then saying that a person’s love can be equal to God’s love?
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No of course not, God is omnipotent, our creator, and is almighty. But our love does not have to be equal in order for it to be guided by God’s love. The Holy Spirit is God; why would he then guide us if our love had to be equal to his? That equality is impossible, of course God knows that. If equality is required, why are any of us Christian in the first place? None of us our worthy of salvation, but are saved only by God’s grace. God showed in his son’s death that equality is not all-important, nonetheless possible. He showed that all fall short of God’s glory, yet if they repent, they will be saved. Obviously, equality is not the issue here.
 
v3orb said:
In your confused world, you can’t recognize that love knows no gender.
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No, actually, we do recognize that. Christ called us to love everyone.

It is you, in your confused world, who fails to make the distinction between love and lust.
You are allowed to love other men, you are not allowed to lust after them.

Sorry. It wasn’t my decision. I’m just the messenger.
Caveman said:
I’m glad you brought that up. Many forget the unforgivable sin – sin against The Holy Ghost. And The Church defines that (in one particular specific) as final impertinance.

And those who cling to the falsehood (and outright lie) that homosexuality is normal and pleasing to God… and if they die with the stubborn mindset… would be in a state of final impertinence.

They will be hellward bound. It’s in The Holy Bible. The Church has taught such for 2,000 years.
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I don’t think that’s quite right… :ehh:

The unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit (final impertinence) is the stubborn refusal to accept the grace of God, not only up to but even at the point of death. Someone who freely refuses their last opportunity for God’s grace is (kinda obviously) going to end up in Hell.

That may include a homosexual individual who stubbornly refuses to repent, even though they know that their behavior is against God’s will… but it’s not simply “any homosexual who dies in the mindset that homosexuality is normal and pleasing to God”. If they honestly believed that it was, and didn’t know that God had forbidden it, or had any other extenuating circumstances, then technically they could still end up in Purgatory.

Not sure if that fits with what you were saying… but I just wanted to clear that up regardless.
 
v3orb said:
I’m sure from that single statement alone that you know no gay men or lesbian women.
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Love and lust are two different things, love is a relationship, lust just a desire and feeling of the flesh. Honestly, seeing that you are Catholic, you should study Scripture more deeply and realize that the lusts of the flesh are clearly sins. It really doesn’t require a theologian to discover this Word of God.
 
So you believe that no love (romantic love, not sexual “love”) can be felt between two women or two men?
 
v3orb said:
So you believe that no love (romantic love, not sexual “love”) can be felt between two women or two men?
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We should all love one another, obviously, “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If that is the love you speak of then the answer is yes. But the act of sexual relations is clearly meant as a gift between a married man and a married woman, and with the sole purpose of childbearing. Sex is the outpouring of a husband’s and wife’s love for one another, and is meant to the sake of having children. This gift is strictly for married couples, nobody else. Sex is only an act of love if it is rightfully commited, which is only in marriage. All other sexual acts are sinful and immoral. Theology of the body has a clear definition rooted in scripture, I recommend “Good News About Sex and Marriage” by Christopher West.
 
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