Homosexual professor at Catholic Univ "ordained" by heretical sect

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donmaximuso27 said:
We should all love one another, obviously, “Love your neighbor as yourself.” If that is the love you speak of then the answer is yes. But the act of sexual relations is clearly meant as a gift between a married man and a married woman, and with the sole purpose of childbearing. Sex is the outpouring of a husband’s and wife’s love for one another, and is meant to the sake of having children. This gift is strictly for married couples, nobody else. Sex is only an act of love if it is rightfully commited, which is only in marriage. All other sexual acts are sinful and immoral. Theology of the body has a clear definition rooted in scripture, I recommend “Good News About Sex and Marriage” by Christopher West.
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You haven’t answered my question.
 
v3orb said:
First of all, my username actually stands for something. v naturally for the vatican, center of christ’s church. 3 for the trinity, foundation of Christian belief. “orb” for Orbis Unum, or one world. preferably united.

I’m definitely not debating that. I’m debating how you justify hate while calling it love.
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It is love to point out to our fellow man when their actions are against natural law, and against moral teaching. We should do this out of love. Having same sex attraction is not what the CCC teaches is wrong, but homosexual acts are the problem.
 
v3orb said:
You haven’t answered my question.
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v3orb, he did answer this. The CCC answers this. This is Catholic teaching. It appears that what you present is what some refer to as the “American Catholic Church”. This animal doesn’t exist.
 
v3orb said:
So you believe that no love (romantic love, not sexual “love”) can be felt between two women or two men?
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If by romantic love you mean deep affection and respect for another person then yes that is normal. But I’m assuming, from your previous posts, that you are using the term romantic love for physical attraction. Science has not yet proved, nor has the Church officially stated, what exactly causes one to be attracted to the other sex. If one is, they are called by the Word of God to remain celebant for the remainder of their life, and to never act on this attraction, to do so is a mortal sin. The other alternative would be to go to counseling and developing an attraction for the opposite sex, there are many accounts of people who are now married but were once attracted to the same sex. You need to distinguish the difference between attraction and love. Homosexuals often argue that they want marriage or sex to show their love, but this is not love. True love is from God alone, as I already have shown, and God’s love knows no sin.
 
v3orb said:
I’m debating love, not theology.
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If you are Catholic then you must believe that love is from God. You are questioning why Catholics believe that homosexual acts are immoral. Everything we do effects are relationship with God, theology is always involved. Our very purpose for life is God and God alone, you cannot question a law of God and expect no theology. To debate love is to debate theology, God is love.
 
v3orb said:
So you believe that no love (romantic love, not sexual “love”) can be felt between two women or two men?
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Sure it can. Obviously, it can. But that doesn’t make it OK.

Even if SSA is not a physical/psychological disorder, the fact remains that those are not feelings that we are permitted to indulge in. They are feelings that we are called to struggle with and overcome. They are temptations. The same as a married man might feel towards another woman that is not his wife. Homosexual men and women, assuming that they cannot overcome their orientation in any way, are called to celibacy and chastity. It’s a cross that many people are called to bear, and it’s not an impossible one.
 
masterjedi747 said:
I don’t think that’s quite right… :ehh:

The unforgivable sin against the Holy Spirit (final impertinence) is the stubborn refusal to accept the grace of God, not only up to but even at the point of death. Someone who freely refuses their last opportunity for God’s grace is (kinda obviously) going to end up in Hell.

That may include a homosexual individual who stubbornly refuses to repent, even though they know that their behavior is against God’s will… but it’s not simply “any homosexual who dies in the mindset that homosexuality is normal and pleasing to God”. If they honestly believed that it was, and didn’t know that God had forbidden it, or had any other extenuating circumstances, then technically they could still end up in Purgatory.

Not sure if that fits with what you were saying… but I just wanted to clear that up regardless.
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To a degree, you’re right. Anyone who dies in a state of Invincable Ignorance can most certainly achieve salvation.

But someone who dies in a state of Final Impertinence (Ecclesiatically speaking) has (obviously) already had the Revealved Truth made known to them. Hence, they would be in a state of F.I.

It’s equally obvious that there are posters on this forum who’ve chosen to ignore, and publicly renounce, what Holy Mother The Church has made known to us concerning the Sin of Sodom. If they don’t change real, real soon… well, as the old saying goes - the joke’s on them.
 
Caveman said:
It’s equally obvious that there are posters on this forum who’ve chosen to ignore, and publicly renounce, what Holy Mother The Church has made known to us concerning the Sin of Sodom. If they don’t change real, real soon… well, as the old saying goes - the joke’s on them.
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In good conscience we can’t do anything but.
 
v3orb said:
I’m debating love, not theology.
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Theology is the study of Love, since God is Love.

You cannot know Love without knowing Theology, for Theology provides the framework for knowing the Source of Love, and thus what is true love and what is not.
 
v3orb said:
In good conscience we can’t do anything but.
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You mean “In conscience”

Conscience is used to justify almost anything, from racism to robbery. But that does not lessen the moral culpability of either.

The “goodness” of a conscience is only determined by how well in is formed to the teachings of the Church.
 
No, I definitely don’t mean in conscience. I mean in good conscience because it is the conscience that God has given me after much meditation, consideration of the Church’s teaching, examination of historical documents, etc… Maybe this is the kind of stuff that will get me excommunicated someday. But if following God means being estranged from the Church, so be it. God will judge me on the last day.
 
v3orb said:
No, I definitely don’t mean in conscience. I mean in good conscience because it is the conscience that God has given me after much meditation, consideration of the Church’s teaching, examination of historical documents, etc… Maybe this is the kind of stuff that will get me excommunicated someday. But if following God means being estranged from the Church, so be it. God will judge me on the last day.
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Youre obstinancy in sin has gone from sad and pitiable, to pathetic, to the point now that you’re just a yawn.
 
v3orb said:
what’s pathetic is that you keep responding.
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What’s pathetic is how far in error your Catholic faith has gone. You say you have studied Church teaching, Scripture, and history, and yet have come to the conclusion, by “meditation”, that homesexual acts are not a sin. Obviously, the devil has used his many ways here, your “meditation” being one of them. Perhaps you should look at the saints, who we know are in heaven; they meditated on Christ and His crucifixion more then you could ever imagine, and have taught and lived out God’s moral causes. If you are going to be so ignorant of God’s word and His Church, you can never achieve the righteousness all Catholics seek; as for judgement, I won’t even bother…
 
v3orb said:
No, I definitely don’t mean in conscience. I mean in good conscience because it is the conscience that God has given me after much meditation, consideration of the Church’s teaching, examination of historical documents, etc… Maybe this is the kind of stuff that will get me excommunicated someday. But if following God means being estranged from the Church, so be it. God will judge me on the last day.
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No, it would be conscience, and a malformed one at that.

God doesn’t contradict Himself, so any conscience He gives would not conflict with the teachings of His Church.

Humans, on the other hand, have a very bad track record of rationalizing at calling it a conscience. A Klansman will happily make the same claim that you do.

By what objective standard should I use to determine that your conscience is better formed on this issue than the Klansman’s is formed on the issue of race?

The only one I know of is the Church!
 
v3orb said:
what’s pathetic is that you keep responding.
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You’ll have to forgive me. I have this nasty habit of defending Holy Mother The Church from the likes of perverts.

But in retrospect… I think the best I can muster for you is nothing more that a rather large
YAWN
 
Caveman said:
You’ll have to forgive me. I have this nasty habit of defending Holy Mother The Church from the likes of perverts.

But in retrospect… I think the best I can muster for you is nothing more that a rather large
YAWN
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A nasty habit?! Rejoice in this dedication!
:highprayer: :highprayer:
 
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