Homosexuality and God's plan for those who are gay

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I pray often for those enduring this trial. I just can’t imagine how heavy this cross must be to carry. Their suffering has got to be one of the worst out there. It’s so natural to want to love and be loved. To not have an outlet for that must be excruciating at times. For those who are living chastely (or at least trying to) for God in this situation you have my utmost awe and respect. God bless you.
 
Can you explain this a little more? I understand your point about being empathetic to people with same sex attraction, but the Church is following the Lord’s will. I guess I am just confused on what additional burden is being placed?
If you were told that you could never even entertain the notion of a romantic relationship of any kind, while others were free to seek out those relationships, you don’t think that would be an isolating and lonely place to be? You don’t think that would be more difficult?
 
If you were told that you could never even entertain the notion of a romantic relationship of any kind, while others were free to seek out those relationships, you don’t think that would be an isolating and lonely place to be? You don’t think that would be more difficult?
You bet that would be a hard place to be. Are you saying the church should not classify homosexual relationships as a sin because of this? I am still confused on the extra burden you spoke about.
 
Secular way ???

I simply am trying to show that the comparison is off. Many blow off the struggles gay Christians have by saying things like “Well, everyone is called to chastity” or “gay people are not the only ones who can’t get married.” But the point is that a homosexual Christian never has that hope, to begin with. So loneliness, in some sense, is always foreseen. But the average straight person is not told that seeking a relationship is inherently wrong. Rather, that person has the hope to be in relationship, eventually.
All true. It’s a difficult situation. Now what?
 
I know “gay” is a tricky word on CAF, but I use it as most people my age generaly use it: having (exclusive or dominant) same-sex attraction. So that first.

I just had a thought I’ve never considered before. It would be one thing, perhaps more easily understood, to say that those who are not attracted to members of the opposite sex just ought not get married. Marriage is no requirement - certainly no requirement for happiness or even ultimate fulfillment in Heaven. So no real loss there! If there is no desire for that kind of relationship with the opposite sex, there is no real harm.

However, with the case of homosexual persons, it’s not just a lack of attraction or ability to relate in certain ways to the opposite sex. It’s that; but it is, additionally, the deep desires and wishes to be in relationship with someone of the same sex. In other words, the same attractions, desires, and human feelings for a relationship are present for a gay person. Just not the right person… In the view of the Catholic Church.

This way of thinking makes me wonder more as to what God’s plan is for the gay person. For, to restate quickly, the gay person does not only have a lack of desire and feelings to marry someone (of the opposite sex). They have, in addition, the added state of desiring and wanting to be in union with someone of the same sex.
I’ve encountered your point before but it was with someone who was trying to use same-sex feelings to support the view that God approves of homosexuality. I objected with the point that what’s natural doesn’t mean that an all-good God caused it otherwise all innate conditions like genetic abnormalities would have to be called good as well. God could’ve also made it naturally possible for homosexuals to have kids with the person that they love rather than having to resort to a 3rd party. God nor nature has allowed this.

I have not gotten a response from this person yet but anyone here is more than welcome to post an answer.
 
That is an important point. We are all built for relationships (We just need to keep in mind how to keep those relationships in a way that glorifies God). Additionally, I think the big issue is that our society including Christian culture (in general) has kind of idolatrized married and romance as the end all be all (including treating it as a check box in life). With that, a gay/SSA person in many cases is not called for marriage yet society treats marriage as the evidence of a person ‘growing up.’ So the person ultimately ends up feeling stuck. They see friends getting married and staring families while they are still in the same ‘stage’ with no prospects of that ever changing. Add on to that as friends marry and have children, they often have less time for their single friend so they often end up feeling even more alone (not anyone’s fault but just an effect of life sometimes).

This issue with marriage idolatry also affects other issues as many who end up divorced are willing to compromise and remarry because ‘they can’t possibly live alone.’

A way to address this would be to somehow help people better develop friendships (real friendships since as a society we have completely devalued them), support people in the single life (for whatever reason whether its for life or only for a period), and try to show that a celibate life doesn’t mean an unfilled one. Just my two cents though.
I very much agree with this
 
I said the HOPE would be they would think that way. Of course I know the world doesn’t work that way. However God’s truth is God’s truth. We need to have empathy and support people who are facing temptations, but if we are truly loving them we need to stay true to teachings that are good for their souls.
I agree with you that “God’s truth is God’s truth” I understand SSA is real a temptation and SS behavior a sin.
What I don’t understand is why the Magisterium has accepted the concept of a “homosexual person”. I believe
the “homosexual person” a myth presented by a LGBT orthodoxy that demands acceptance of their view with
no tolerance of dissent. As far as I know before 1993 the Church had no definition for a “homosexual person”.
I believe for good reason.

I believe the Magisterium is in error to recognize the mythical “homosexual person” I believe with this the
Magisterium has laid a stumbling block on the path to Eternal Life for those struggling with this temptation.
I am confident the Lord will have the Magisterium correct its error in His Time.

In regard to the “homosexual person” the CCC 2358 says:

They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their
regard should be avoided.

Shouldn’t all people be treated this way.

What is your view?

God bless
 
jjr9 - I realize that you are somewhat OCD concerning this issue as indicated by your many posts. If you really believe that gay people are not gay, then you have no problem because you made it magically disappear in your beliefs concerning mankind. I’m happy that in the real world of 2016, the majority of adults who are educated would just laugh off your assumption. When you grow up and have children, what exactly would you do if one of your own offspring was born LGBTQ? Would you tell them that they are wrong, that they really are attracted to women and not men? I think my nephew who is a psychiatrist would love to pick your brain concerning this issue, but then of course, he’s invisible since he’s gay, as is his partner of 19 years who is also a physician.:eek:
 
I agree with you that “God’s truth is God’s truth” I understand SSA is real a temptation and SS behavior a sin.
What I don’t understand is why the Magisterium has accepted the concept of a “homosexual person”. I believe
the “homosexual person” a myth presented by a LGBT orthodoxy that demands acceptance of their view with
no tolerance of dissent. As far as I know before 1993 the Church had no definition for a “homosexual person”.
I believe for good reason.

I believe the Magisterium is in error to recognize the mythical “homosexual person” I believe with this the
Magisterium has laid a stumbling block on the path to Eternal Life for those struggling with this temptation.
I am confident the Lord will have the Magisterium correct its error in His Time.

In regard to the “homosexual person” the CCC 2358 says:

They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their
regard should be avoided.

Shouldn’t all people be treated this way.

What is your view?

God bless
I can understand your desire to speak about this topic again, but this is kind of distracting from the current topic of the this forum post. If you would like to talk about your concerns, it would be best better served as a new post. Thanks. Have a good day and God bless.
 
jjr9 - I realize that you are somewhat OCD concerning this issue as indicated by your many posts. If you really believe that gay people are not gay, then you have no problem because you made it magically disappear in your beliefs concerning mankind. I’m happy that in the real world of 2016, the majority of adults who are educated would just laugh off your assumption. When you grow up and have children, what exactly would you do if one of your own offspring was born LGBTQ? Would you tell them that they are wrong, that they really are attracted to women and not men? I think my nephew who is a psychiatrist would love to pick your brain concerning this issue, but then of course, he’s invisible since he’s gay, as is his partner of 19 years who is also a physician.:eek:
Thank you for your concern your view on what “gay humans” are is still not clear to me. I do
recognize that people who engage in SS behavior are real I just believe they are not a different
type of person. I did not realize this is a personal issue for you I hope I did not offend you.

Do you believe the Church wrong not to accept SS behavior as acceptable?

God bless
 
…When you grow up and have children, what exactly would you do if one of your own offspring was born LGBTQ?
If he discovers it at birth, I imagine he will publish a paper and become quite famous!
 
Thank you for your concern; your view on what “gay humans” are is still not clear to me. I do recognize that people who engage in SS behavior are real I just believe they are not a different type of person…
“Gay” is a colloquial word meaning the person experiences SSA. It tends to be non-specific as to whether it implies any embracing of that experience or not.

I don’t know what you mean by a “different type of person”. Perhaps you can explain that and then I could respond further.
 
…And many theists agree with it, so…it is not a secular-only development.
What is “it” in this statement? People being together? People loving each other? Or people of the same sex having a sexual relationship? The latter is rather distinct from the former two.
 
This is not what the OP is saying at all.
And a homosexual couple wanting to be together has nothing to do with a “secular” movement. Gay couples have loved each other and wanted to be together for many, many centuries…long before many world religions and any ensuing “secular movement”.
And many theists agree with it, so…it is not a secular-only development.

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That comment wasn’t meant for the OP, it was for another poster who commented to me. However, you are correct that homosexual couples have probably wanted to “be together” for many centuries, but our secular society has started glorifying that movement in the recent decades.
 
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KildareBrigid:
our secular society has started glorifying that movement in the recent decades
Glorifying? Really? Which secular society has been doing this? I’d certainly like to learn more about such a society. I’ve seen some signs of ‘acceptance’ and even ‘equality’ in various societies around the world, but I seem to have missed the glorifying.
 
Glorifying? Really? Which secular society has been doing this? I’d certainly like to learn more about such a society. I’ve seen some signs of ‘acceptance’ and even ‘equality’ in various societies around the world, but I seem to have missed the glorifying.
I think the person meant encouraging people to come out and be proud of their sexuality. I don’t think anyone is encouraging people to “turn” gay, if that’s what you are thinking
 
Glorifying? Really? Which secular society has been doing this? I’d certainly like to learn more about such a society. I’ve seen some signs of ‘acceptance’ and even ‘equality’ in various societies around the world, but I seem to have missed the glorifying.
Yes. Gay Pride parades, legalizing same sex “marriage,” the secular media’s increasing portrayal that same sex relationships are moral are signs that our society is promoting (and in the case of gay pride parades and media) glorifying the sin of engaging in same sex relationships.
 
I think the person meant encouraging people to come out and be proud of their sexuality. I don’t think anyone is encouraging people to “turn” gay, if that’s what you are thinking
Yes.
 
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Lea101:
I don’t think anyone is encouraging people to “turn” gay, if that’s what you are thinking
No, that wasn’t what I was thinking. I simply don’t recognise what has been happening in the many societies that have outlawed anti-LGBT discrimination and legalised same-sex relationships as a ‘glorification’ of a gay lifestyle. The word is inaccurate.
 
No, that wasn’t what I was thinking. I simply don’t recognise what has been happening in the many societies that have outlawed anti-LGBT discrimination and legalised same-sex relationships as a ‘glorification’ of a gay lifestyle. The word is inaccurate.
Simple Definition of glorify
: to make (something) seem much better or more important than it really is

As I stated: “Yes. Gay Pride parades, legalizing same sex “marriage,” the secular media’s increasing portrayal that same sex relationships are moral are signs that our society is promoting (and in the case of gay pride parades and media) glorifying the sin of engaging in same sex relationships.”

I think it’s a fair word. Gay pride parades, legalizing same sex marriage, and the secular media’s portrayal of same sex relationships promote acceptance of a sin by making it seem that committing such a sin is something to be proud of.

That being said if you don’t agree, that’s fine. At this point we would just be arguing semantics.
 
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