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Dj_Roy_Albert
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I just got off a weeks suspension for defending my race & I didn’t use one swear… if you don’t get a time-out for this I’ll flip.
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stillsmallvoice
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Hi all!
I’ll add the following:
While our Sages certainly do not downplay either the attempted homosexual gang-rape of Lot’s angelic visitors (the people of Sodom could hardly have known that they were angels) or the Torah’s ban on homosexual acts (the Torah does not refer to “homosexuality” per se; the wording of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are very precise - it is homosexual ACTS which are a banned abomination) most of our Sages agree that the “sin of Sodom” was a combination of extreme stinginess, inhospitality and uncharitableness; our Sages cite Ezekiel 16:49 in this regard.
Note the sequence of the text. We find out about God’s cognizance of the “sin of Sodom and Gomorrah” in Genesis 18:20, BEFORE the attempted gang-rape in Genesis 19:5. Abraham seems to understand right away, in Genesis 18:23, that God intends to destroy Sodom & Gomorrah.
We (orthodox Jews) certainly oppose the legalization of homosexual marriage in the USA (see ou.org/public/statements/2004/nate9.htm & thejewishweek.com/top/editletcontent.php3?artid=3346). As Rabbi Weinreb writes in the second article:
Be well!
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I’ll add the following:
While our Sages certainly do not downplay either the attempted homosexual gang-rape of Lot’s angelic visitors (the people of Sodom could hardly have known that they were angels) or the Torah’s ban on homosexual acts (the Torah does not refer to “homosexuality” per se; the wording of Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13 are very precise - it is homosexual ACTS which are a banned abomination) most of our Sages agree that the “sin of Sodom” was a combination of extreme stinginess, inhospitality and uncharitableness; our Sages cite Ezekiel 16:49 in this regard.
Note the sequence of the text. We find out about God’s cognizance of the “sin of Sodom and Gomorrah” in Genesis 18:20, BEFORE the attempted gang-rape in Genesis 19:5. Abraham seems to understand right away, in Genesis 18:23, that God intends to destroy Sodom & Gomorrah.
We (orthodox Jews) certainly oppose the legalization of homosexual marriage in the USA (see ou.org/public/statements/2004/nate9.htm & thejewishweek.com/top/editletcontent.php3?artid=3346). As Rabbi Weinreb writes in the second article:
I was recently (honorably!) discharged from the Israel Defense Force reserves after 11 years’ service. I am/was a medic. Back in the spring of 1991, I did the 13-week medics’ course. It was no secret that the commander of the IDF Medical Corps at the time was a homosexual. However, since he was a first-class doctor & officer, who kept his private life private and never let it interfere with his military & medical service, his sexual preferences were not an issue. He recently died (not from AIDS) & his long-time partner was forced to sue to receive the same benefits as the spouse of a widowed IDF veteran would receive. Unfortunately (I say), the (secular) civil courts here awarded him the benefits. While I do not think that it is right that he be penalized or discriminated against for his sexual preferences (so long as he didn’t let them interfere with his IDF duties, which he didn’t), I also don’t think that it’s right that he, in effect, be rewarded for them either. By choosing the way of life that he did, I think that he forfeited any claim to spousal benefits which, after all, are for spouses, which his partner was not. But, as I mentioned, the courts here ruled otherwise. Recently, several Israeli homosexuals were “married” in Ontario & have announced that they will try to have their “marriages” recognized here. I see another big court fight coming on.
Be well!
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Werner let’s get this straight. if there’s no plagues of locusts, or frogs, or the Death Sea turns red, or starts raining sulfur, then according to you, homosexual is at least not sinful if it’s not a great work. is this what you’re saying?
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Werner
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No, what i was saying is that if there’s no plagues of locusts, or frogs, or the Death Sea turns red, or starts raining sulfur, then God doesn’t care about a party of some people in Jerusalem.
See the little difference?
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Hospitaller
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So in other words, if God doesn’t put on a heavenly sound-and-light show for you, you won’t believe in him.
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fix
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Party? Celebrating perversion is now a party?
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Werner
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No. My words are, this planned party isn’t as big a deal as some here try to make it.
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Werner
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If somebody celebrates something it is a party. Just if you call it “perversion” doesn’t make it one.
There are people who call a Catholic mass an idolatry and a perversion.
But that doesn’t make it one, and nobody has the right to forbid it.
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fix
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It is a big deal for authentic Catholics. They hate sin.
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Thanks, again, for proving you are a moral relativist.
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Werner
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Look at your sentence above.
The Lord never spoke about hate.
He spoke about love.
You define yourself with hate.
That is the problem.
That is your problem.
I pray that some day you might understand what Christ’s teaching is about.
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If you do not hate sin, you will not enter heaven. I will pray you have a conversion to Catholicism. Your posts, over and over, show you to be a relativist and constantly want to nuance Church teaching in favor of error. Please understand that does not help lead souls to heaven, but helps lead some astray. I pray you stop it.
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Werner
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No, that is dead wrong!
The Lord taught us, if we do not love we will not enter heaven.
Nowhere did he tell us we have to hate something to get into heaven! Au contraire, He explicitely condemned hate!
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Listen, we have been through this before. We are to love the sinner, but HATE the sin. God hates sin. How are we to enter heaven with a love of sin?
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Werner
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now look again at your post:
love — HATE
I wish you would get rid of your hate, because “if i would not have LOVE i’d be nothing”
And hate is the opposite of love!
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You are confused? We must hate sin. If you do not agree with that, please take it up with Christ.
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Authentic love is not embracing sin and error.
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Hospitaller
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Your words were that if God does not incinerate someone commiting what is held by the Church to be a sin, then the act is automatically defined as unoffensive to God on the basis that said sinner is still breathing.
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Valtiel
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lets not sink to blantant name calling here
For the most part yes. look at all gay pride parades, full of sexual displays, every film festival -especially those in canada- include pederasty themes, pornography and other radical deviancy. Ever hear of gay days at disney world, they had to have security at top notch to keep them from haveing public sex and it was still a problem. Gay night clubs as well are a huge scene to sex traffacking and such. Homosexuals are far more promiscuous and anti monogomous then heterosexuals, thats a fact.
That is actually a pretty silly question, this has nothing to do with an event or specrtum of a greater gathering.
Why are you even here, this is for catholics, not illknowledged children such as yourself who would rather believe in the fashions of this world. Homosexuality is wrong, simple as that, there is nothing bigoted about disagreing with an unhealthy and unnormal way of life. If you haven’t noticed God even condems that behavior, and if you recall “those who love the lord obey hiw laws”. I though could care less what people do when it’s keep to themsleves and doesn’t involve me, but scenes like this are just wrong, especually this irreverance to the holy city…
and it’s this lack of logical reasoning on your part that greatly disturbs me…
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Valtiel
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The same could be asked of you, you don’t obviously seem to know or care about his laws…
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