Honduras immigrants

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Sorry, once I saw that you were spouting blatantly antisemitic statements I tuned out.

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TheNoseKnows said:
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LeafByNiggle:
Whataboutism
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That’s one of the most detestable words in the vocabulary of liberal newspeak…
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Actually, the term is used in this forum equally by both conservatives and liberals. But if the term itself bothers you, I will explain its use here without using that word. When discussing the plight of the Honduran refugees (which is, after all, the subject of this thread) Annie challenged me to consider the plight of people whose lives are threatened all around the world, asking “What about them?” I then pointed out, by the use of the word you find most detestable, that such a challenge deflects from the question at hand by pointing to a similar, but not causally related problem. The technique is generally used when one cannot adequately answer the question at hand, and so tries to change the subject. But since everyone knows what it means, it is a convenient shorthand to just say “Whataboutism.”
… hypocrisy, if we are morally obligated to take in this horde then why aren’t we morally obligated to take in ALL migrants?
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I did not say we are morally obligated to take in all migrants, or even that we are morally obligated to take in these Honduran refugees.
 
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IMO the arranged assembly of people from these Central American and South American countries is financially ordered. Its purpose has zero beneficial interest in the gullible people and they will be wasted without regard. The drug cartel cohorts of corrupt governments have designs of penetrating American borders to a depth that could not be imagined by an ordinary person. Drugs, sex slavery, barbarian acts of violence are their norm. We must not be fooled by those who accuse good, charitable American people of being cruel and non welcoming to those in need. America is the world’s most generous benefactor but the decay of the extreme leftist-progressives is a major threat to good people. We will prevail over this destruction from within - we will keep praying and stay firm.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
The technique is generally used when one cannot adequately answer the question at hand, and so tries to change the subject.
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The reason I brought up the plight of others was to show that it is reasonable to put limits on those allowed into the US.
 
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Annie said:
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The reason I brought up the plight of others was to show that it is reasonable to put limits on those allowed into the US.
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…which is a position I was not disputing.
 
There are reasons most are young men. It’s a very long and dangerous journey and they are most likely to be capable of making it. Young men tend to be the most affected by gangs and gang violence. Just because they are young men doesn’t mean they aren’t looking for asylum and that they don’t have a claim for asylum. It also doesn’t mean that they are not looking to Improve the lives of their families that get are leaving behind. And it also doesn’t mean they are using the women and children as shields.

I do believe that this entire group is being used as political pawns to advance an agenda. It is wrong. I have upset people on both sides of this debate on multiple threads because I think most people follow their political party line and can’t see the truths of the other side. It’s very sad that real people suffering worse than most here can ever imagine are being used to promote political agendas.

I want to secure the border. There probably are bad guys mixed in. That’s the world we live in. We need people to thoroughly screen everyone and do our best to catch the bad ones. At the same time we need to remember this “horde” is actually real people trying their best to survive. They are seeking something better for their families. And I guarantee if most of you were in their shoes, you would be doing the same thing.
 
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I appreciate your answer, but (1) if they’re only seeking asylum, why don’t they accept Mexico’s offer for asylum?
(2) We absolutely must vet. Even if “only 10%” are bad, this would do huge damage to American citizens if they’re allowed to come in
 
And, I hope you’ll agree that they must respect our laws and enter legally.
 
Asylum is not granted for economic reasons, nor even general violence. While the conditions in these countries were the migrants are from are poor I think the word “asylum” is being wrongly used in these situations with these migrants from El-Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala
 
I agree with both your posts. Yes, they MUST be thoroughly checked out. 1% is too much. No argument from me about that. They do need to go to the proper crossing check points and state their case.

As for asylum in Mexico, some have taken refuge there. Some from this caravan even. My husband is from Mexico Ms he has told me how horrible Central Americans are treated by the authorities there. Even your averages Mexican citizen has a tendency to discriminate against them. It’s pretty easy to pick them out because the Spanish is different, the accent and words are different, and thwy even look different. He also points out the cartel wars are very bad so it’s not much of a difference. Parts of Mexico have a higher murder rate than Honduras does. If you are trying to escape violence, would you go somewhere MORE violent? There are reasons why the majority of illegal immigrants in the US are from Mexico. Even my Mexican husband says he wouldn’t apply for or accept refuge there, and we have been trying to get his family here. It’s been over 25 years of trying we and still can’t gwy them visas.

It may not be right for the ones denied entry to cross illegally anyway. It’s out of desperation though. Can you imagine walking all that way full of hope, only to be told you need to go back? You know if you are lucky enough to make it back you will be killed once you get there? It really is that bad.

I hope we can find the way to secure the border and reform immigration. It would help all of us in the US and also the vulnerable. That trip is horribly dangerous. So many die or disappear along the way. We won’t bring my husbands family up because of the dangers even though that is the only way we can possibly ever get them here. We have two baby girls they have never met becaus ethe situation in their area is too dangerous. It’s disputed cartel territory. Our older kids haven’t seen them in 10 years. Either my husband goes alone to visit or just the two of us go, and neither of us has been in 3 years. My mother in law died never having met her only two biological grandchildren. This is the life many of the people on this journey face. It was something they had to accept before leaving.
 
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Obama granted them asylum. Panama and Costa Rica grant them asylum. What word would you use?
 
In 2012, 191 asylum grants were granted to people from El-Salvador, 753 Salvadorans were granted US asylum in 2016, accounting for 8.63% of total grants. A small percentage of asylum grants are legally granted to those who come to our border and attempt to cross, are detained or who actually cross the border year to year.
 
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In my case my Grandparents from Sicily. Around 1905ish.
 
1cthlctrth said:
I appreciate your answer, but (1) if they’re only seeking asylum, why don’t they accept Mexico’s offer for asylum?
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Many of them are. And those that are not are probably doing so because Mexico also has a problem with gangs, violence, and corruption. Even asylum-seekings would prefer a more secure life.
 
I’d be more concerned about people who overstay their visas. This would include student visas, tourist visas, work visa, ship crew visa, religious worker visa, etc.

There are a lot of ways to get into this country illegally other than over the Southern Border.
 
I’ll say it again, though: they must respect our laws and enter legally.
 
Is there a limit as to how many immigrants that the USA can absorb?


click here google youtube immigration:
 
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