Honduras immigrants

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It ain’t a Children’s Migrant Caravan.
There are children in the caravan. Why should they be gassed? They are disadvantaged people acting out of desperation because of what the Americans have done to their country. Did the Americans respect the borders of the Central American countries when they intervened and meddled in their affairs?
 
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It is to a horde marching towards your country burning your flag. What do you think a normal reaction is to such a group?
The United States spends more on defense than the next 7 countries combined. The “horde” is a couple thousand unarmed economic migrants in t-shirts and sneakers. A normal reaction to such a group would be to ignore them if you aren’t going to help them.
 
You arrest people who cross the border and ignore those that don’t.
 
Why wouldn’t you stop them before they cross? If they cross the border then, unfortunately, they can use our system against us and claim asylum. So we have to prevent them from entering this country in the first place.

If someone told me they were breaking into my home then I wouldn’t let them and then do something about it. In fact in my state the way the law was formerly by not stopping someone from entering your home you actually put yourself in a worse position.
 
Why would you ignore persons at a port of entry with proper documentation or assessed as legally qualifying for what each requests?
The queue may be longer,that is for sure,but one is not rejected per se at a port of entry. Say an airport…
 
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Well, the last time we kept the children safely housed and fed and cared for separately from their parents, when Trump was president and the news came out there was a huge outraged roar (different from the reaction when it was done under Obama…)

So we can not separate the children from the parents. And this is very well-known. So the parents are using their children as shields.

Oh, that does not sound very nice, does it?
 
Why should they be gassed?
You’ve already been corrected once about your usage of the term “Gassed”.
They are disadvantaged people acting out of desperation because of what the Americans have done to their country.
Well, I guess they’ll have to get over it and try to rebuild their country. Showing up as an angry mob at someone else’s doorstep will not endear them to most people.
Did the Americans respect the borders of the Central American countries when they intervened and meddled in their affairs?
We haven’t invaded Central America yet. Whatever political or trade influence we have over them is still respecting their borders and sovereignty.
 
The “horde” is a couple thousand unarmed economic migrants in t-shirts and sneakers.
According to the CBS Evening News, the caravan now exceeds 7,500 and is expected to grow to over 10,000.
 
Why wouldn’t you stop them before they cross?
Why would you bother? Unless you lie awake at night terrified at the fact that Honduran people exist I don’t get it.
If they cross the border then, unfortunately, they can use our system against us and claim asylum.
The horror. Someone needs to protect our children.
Why would you ignore persons at a port of entry with proper documentation or assessed as legally qualifying for what each requests?
I wouldn’t. I was just speaking to exnihilo’s notion that they’re an invading force.
 
At this point, it is well-known what to do to “claim asylum,” so what do you think the people will do?

It’s not like the people from Latin America are all innocent souls just trying for a better life. There are also a lot of gangsters and drug dealers and killers in Latin America. Do you really think that all those young men–which is what I see in the pictures of the crowds, with close-ups of small groups of women and children, probably the same ones each time–are just innocent souls with true claims to asylum in the US?

Hardly.

And what would happen in Honduras if those men who are burning the US flag while trying to flee and claim refuge in the US were to stay and fight against the corruption, to be agents for change in their own nation? To protect the women and children there instead of leaving them behind to face what they themselves are claiming flight from?

I don’t know what the answer is, and I do wish the US (my country), would stop messing so weirdly in other nations and get our immigration laws straight, but there are a lot of people here already suffering, for whom we are supposed to care first.

I see no need to let in thousands of young US-flag-burning men; someone once did that by mistake and look what happened to them.
 
there are a lot of people here already suffering
I agree. I think it is a terrible disgrace to have so many homeless families sleeping on the sidewalks of southern California. At the same time, I hope that something can be done to alleviate the suffering of the desperate people of Honduras. After all, part of the problem was caused by US intervention. According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion (that is two thousand four hundred billion) dolllars. That is a whole lot of money and every year the government spends about 600 billion dollars for defense. What good has it done to have spent all that money for war in Afghanistan and Iraq? I would like to see a small part of that allotted to help the poor and disadvantaged in some way. I have no doubt that it would be possible to develop some sort of programs to help them out at a very low cost compared to what was spent in the Afghan and Iraq wars.
 
The military budget is very small compared to the amount we spend on “entitlement” programs.

It has been determined that caring for refugees in or near their own homelands is 1/12th the amount to bring refugees here and care for them here.

So what could we do to help the people in Honduras? If we send money and food, it will probably be hijacked by corrupt government officials as usually happens in nations with corrupt governments. And what can we do to reduce the murder rate and rates of other violent crimes? We can’t send police forces in as they are a sovereign nation and that would rightfully be seen as an invasion.

So, what can we do?
 
One thing I don’t understand is why they carry their country’s flag proudly–then why leave your country?
If they burn the USA flag, why come to that country??? Doesn’t make much sense…
 
see no need to let in thousands of young US-flag-burning men; s
Sure not,Annie.
I was asking since the UN are involved and Mexico has processed at least as far as I have read 640 claims,there must have been some kind of order.
Also,I am thinking…that if the crowd has already been vetted to be alowed to pass elsewhere along the way , it may not really be hoardes. At least not all of it.
And as far as I have read,it isn t only Honduran people but other people that have joined the crowd as well.
Ignoring them,isn t really what people at borders nor Homeland Security does. They address each person respectfully. That was my point.
And if there is something positive I see in all this is that the situation in Honduras has been exposed for what it is. People cannot live like that and corruption has to end
 
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Let’s not forget the great failures of Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua as long as we speak about America’s faults.
Sure, let’s not. I’m with you.

Let’s not forget US involvement with and support of Fulgencio Batista, or the very illegal funding of the contras in Nicaragua.
 
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Cuba was the third developed nation of the Americas before Fidel Castro. On many indicators it even beat European nations and part of the Southern USA. It beat all Latin American nations.
https://www.quora.com/What-was-life...ic-were-the-changes-after-Castro-seized-power

And for whomever wants to talk about the Contras 40 years ago, we are talking about Nicaragua today. Can’t we show some respect for the many protesters that government has now killed? Even Bianca Jagger who hails from there says so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...testers-says-amnesty-international/ar-BBOxI6V
 
Can’t we show some respect for the many protesters that government has now killed? Even Bianca Jagger who hails from there says so.
Do you really think, do you actually believe, I’m somehow showing disrespect for protesters killed by the government (or the contras, for that matter)? Seriously? Please, explain that to me.

As to what Bianca Jagger thinks, I don’t care.
 
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