honor of women in islam

[LaMar]

“sheikha amy and her sheikh are the gold standards of islamic legislation”.lol brother sam i am really laughing with your comment.ya you are true.cuz sister amy also told me that bangladeshis are also don’t know anything about islam.so i asked her to come here and teach ppl about islam.haha

When/where did Sister Amy make the statement about Bangladeshis knowing nothing about Islam?

Re: Plural marriage: Sister Amy is a grown woman who is better behaved, better educated and generally more civil than most on this forum. As such she can do whatever she wants to do. I don’t agree with her either, but at the same time I think we can criticize her without personalizing or sexualizing the argument.

Some of my friends who pretend to be good Mormons are now divorced after having sleazy sexual affairs, consorting with prostitutes, and other forms of misbehavior. I’ve always noted with amusement that these guys and gals are the same people who tend to squeal about “morality” the loudest. The people who lead campaigns against polygamy, porno and gay marriage often do so for self-serving reasons, rather than a genuine concern for society.

 

[inJESUS]

All of you who are mocking a lifestyle and culture that you cannot begin to understand,

 

[ralphinal]

Sam, there’s an abundance of single muslim men where I live. But I’m picky, and wouldn’t marry just some random person. And his wife knows, I’ve talked to her about it myself, so her “finding out” won’t be a problem, because she already knows. So you shouldn’t make assumptions about me, and neither should anyone else.

Moreover, a marriage contract is part of Islam, and women are allowed to include some stipulations in it–that’s part of Islam. Not like I’d expect you to know that, though. And another thing you probably didn’t know–a woman can’t get into the country without a mahram, right? So it’s not even possible for me to go to Saudia to get married, I would have to get married here. And seeing is how my fiance is a US citizen, that’s exactly what I plan to do.

I can do fine without comments from the peanut gallery, now.

All of you who are mocking a lifestyle and culture that you cannot begin to understand, is that how you bring people to your faith? It’s shameful behavior, really. Islam does honor women, it honors women unlike any other culture or law on the planet, and I’m pretty sure I know why you can’t see that, and it’s an ignorance and arrogance of which I want no part.

Sister Amy,

Under American law, plural marrages are not legal. Is that a problem with Islam? You would be in violation of American Law. I know that you will not be able to get a marriage liscense or have it recognised publically. Does that bother you? Does the fact that you will be travelling mean that if this is found out, it will cause you trouble with your passport? Finally, what happens if the governement of your state or the US finds out. Can your husband be arrested?

 

[Angelos]

Re: Plural marriage: Sister Amy is a grown woman who is better behaved, better educated and generally more civil than most on this forum. As such she can do whatever she wants to do. I don’t agree with her either, but at the same time I think we can criticize her without personalizing or sexualizing the argument.

Now you are comparing Sister Amy to everyone else on this forum only to conclude that “she is much better in many respects”. Can’t you criticize people on this forum without personalizing the argument?

 

[LaMar]

Now you are comparing Sister Amy to everyone else on this forum only to conclude that “she is much better in many respects”. Can’t you criticize people on this forum without personalizing the argument?

I’m not criticizing anyone in particular, only the mean. The only person I’m examining personally is Sister Amy.

As far as you’re concerned, I’d also pigeonhole you into the category of able to debate the issues without bashing the individual… so it seems you and our Sister Amy don’t differ in some respects.

How are you doing Angelos, my ex-Muslim friend? Well I hope.

 

[Angelos]

I’m not criticizing anyone in particular, only the mean. The only person I’m examining personally is Sister Amy.

As far as you’re concerned, I’d also pigeonhole you into the category of able to debate the issues without bashing the individual… so it seems you and our Sister Amy don’t differ in some respects.

How are you doing Angelos, my ex-Muslim friend? Well I hope.

Thanks LaMar, I am fine. I hope you are fine too.

I guess some people here seem to bash the individual while debating Islam only because Sister Amy is currently the only female Muslim here defending Islamic polygamy through her individual example of marriage to a Muslim man.

I do not personally think that other people here hate Sister Amy or other Muslim guests that have the right to come here and exchange information. Some of my friends might sound harsh from time to time like Sister Amy, who has several times so far - either accidentally or deliberately - criticised my character more than the content of my posts while striving to defend her new faith. No offense taken though!

I am also pleased to have you here as a person adding some different colour and flavour to our discussions and saving us from monotony.

 

[morning_star777]

mr.lamar,7 may 1.48gmt sister amy replied me.her reply was like that the ppl of bangladesh who told "that"they don’t know anything about islam.it was about bangladesh.read 1st and guess.it is in the 8th page.i can’t tell you the thread number.cuz i am new don’t know how to count thread numbers honestly speaking.and i didn’t give any comment about amy’s marriage.thanks

 

[morning_star777]

ya mr.R_not islam always abuse ppl specially women.so i think its not religion.its clear heresy.and this heresy is spreading like cancer.we should stop this heresy.at list western countries should be very strong about muslim immigration.neither they will suffer later.muslims are not good ppl they proved it many time

 

[R_not]

I can do fine without comments from the peanut gallery, now.

All of you who are mocking a lifestyle and culture that you cannot begin to understand, is that how you bring people to your faith? It’s shameful behavior, really. Islam does honor women, it honors women unlike any other culture or law on the planet, and I’m pretty sure I know why you can’t see that, and it’s an ignorance and arrogance of which I want no part.

psst - the peanut gallery has already said it is a felony to practice polygamy. And as usual one more muslim thumbs their nose at our laws. It shows how even a so called ‘moderate’ behaves. Anyway, I don’t think sister amy is as moderate as she tries to come off appearing as.

Even if sister amy is blocking my posts - others are not.

I can do without all that ‘honor’ especially being owned by a muslim male, ‘honor killing’, beatings, having some man tell me what to wear, etc. And he can divorce the wife by just saying ‘I divorce you’ a few times and take the children. Yep, all that ‘honor’ - well, I can do without. and muslims say a god made up islam’s laws - a god that didn’t like a lot of its creatures, it seems.

 

[whiteknite]

The majority of all converts to islam are women, women who become muslims more often then not hold up the vlaues of islam and the place of women in islam as one of the main reasons why they converted to islam…

For every 2 men that convert to islam 8 women do…

Thats only because muslims send out the men to other countrys to take non-muslims. [white] And convert then then have children
by them…Use them to get the rest of your family over to that country, Then your male family arrive then the process starts all over again
Otherwise you wouldnt get as many converting…

 

[R_not]

Thats only because muslims send out the men to other countrys to take non-muslims. [white] And convert then then have children
by them…Use them to get the rest of your family over to that country, Then your male family arrive then the process starts all over again
Otherwise you wouldnt get as many converting…

You got it. No one mentions all the kidnapping and forced marriages that is going on - even in Europe. I suppose it is happening here but not to such a high degree. In Asia it is bad though. Here in the USA, we have a lot of stupid women on the left. In fact, a couple of months ago there has been discussions as to where are the feminists, and the other lefties, who are concerned with human rights which are not present in islam to women!? We have a whole group being brainwashed and not knowing what they are getting into and quite often once they do they regret it.

Take note of item number three in this list:

answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html
a quote from the above website:
The common Moslem belief is that it is allowable to tell a falsehood on four occasions:
1st, to save one’s life;
2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation;
3rd, to persuade a woman;
4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition.

 

[KittyGabriel]

I am honestly getting irritated by threads like and similar to these. Islam does not dishonor women. Islam gives women honor in correlation to what their religion teaches and what they believe. If they believe that a woman’s role is to be married, have and care for her children, and be faithful to her husband, Now is that such a huge leap from the natural order of things? As for multiple wives, that is a social issue. Not a religious one. Was it so many years ago that women in America weren’t allowed to vote, or have a rewarding career? Was it so long ago that women in America, Catholic and non-Catholic were told to stay at home, dress very conservatively, bear children and never disobey their husbands? Was it so long ago that women were never even allowed to voice their opinions? America as a society has treated and still treats women today with exorbitant disrespect. The difference is. It was always a societal issue with America. We don’t continually keep women down because of religious beliefs. And yet we constantly incriminate other societies for our own crimes because of a religion. This is wrong, childish and quite frankly, very appalling. It shows how little we can deal with our own problems and actually ends up saying alot more about our collective society than it does about any other society or religion that we may verbally assault.

 

[LaMar]

mr.lamar,7 may 1.48gmt sister amy replied me.her reply was like that the ppl of bangladesh who told "that"they don’t know anything about islam.it was about bangladesh.read 1st and guess.it is in the 8th page.i can’t tell you the thread number.cuz i am new don’t know how to count thread numbers honestly speaking.and i didn’t give any comment about amy’s marriage.thanks

Hey Morning Star,

I looked for this and couldn’t find it.

In any event, I’ve heard that sentiment before. It’s sadly common for Arab Muslims to imply that non-Arabs are “not true Muslims” due to nationality. I’d criticize Islam in the same way you’re doing here.

Interesting to note that another South Asian Muslim took her Arab brothers and sisters to task for this in this book:

irshadmanji.com/arabic-edition

The book is also freely available in Farsi, Urdu, and a few other languages. Dig around and check it out, or get it from amazon.

 

[R_not]

I am honestly getting irritated by threads like and similar to these. Islam does not dishonor women. Islam gives women honor in correlation to what their religion teaches and what they believe. If they believe that a woman’s role is to be married, have and care for her children, and be faithful to her husband, Now is that such a huge leap from the natural order of things? As for multiple wives, that is a social issue. Not a religious one. Was it so many years ago that women in America weren’t allowed to vote, or have a rewarding career? Was it so long ago that women in America, Catholic and non-Catholic were told to stay at home, dress very conservatively, bear children and never disobey their husbands? Was it so long ago that women were never even allowed to voice their opinions? America as a society has treated and still treats women today with exorbitant disrespect. The difference is. It was always a societal issue with America. We don’t continually keep women down because of religious beliefs. And yet we constantly incriminate other societies for our own crimes because of a religion. This is wrong, childish and quite frankly, very appalling. It shows how little we can deal with our own problems and actually ends up saying alot more about our collective society than it does about any other society or religion that we may verbally assault.

psst, polygamy is a FELONY. What do you not understand about that?

As for verbally assaulting anyone - they assault their own by their own deeds. We just voice the assaults and you, and muslims, feel picked on by anyone who does that.

Well, gee - you might as well get used to it because this is the way people feel, not just me. islam is a dishonor to women and that not only goes for their own - but you, I am assuming you are an infidel - rate very low on their totem pole of hierarchy. Read the chapter called ‘Women’ in the koran - it isn’t pretty. Unless you are one of those who likes to get lashings, and beaten up because there are those types out there.

you think I post a lie when I said look at that item #3? I am not. In fact, we have been going over deception in islam on different threads - and it is quite common since it is indeed sanctioned in islam and their koran. mohammed knew that it would work to deceive us and fool us.

You want to know another ugly fact about islam? They are a-ok with slavery and infidel, slave women are nothing but booty to them. And that is to this day. Infidel women are being kidnapped in Europe and sold to marry muslim males - as it is happening in India, Africa and Southeast Asia. They also have a slave trade for little boys too.

Maybe you could do a little reading.
ok to kill and rape non-muslims:
islam-watch.org/AyeshaAhmed/London-Imam-Attempt-to-Carry-Out-Sunna.htm

Persistence of slavery in islam:
jihadwatch.org/archives/017455.php

answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

jihadwatch.org has many articles on kidnapping too. here is one that talks about muslim kidnapping - it is a islamic religious act:
jihadwatch.org/archives/002036.php

And there are plenty of sources on this subject in previous posts.

Think more about defending the indefensible.

 

[AgnosTheist]

I think its a good idea that Amy would actually experience what its like being a secong wife. Think about it, people. For one thing at least she is literally living up to her defense of polygamy. Thats the only way she could find out if what we are arguing are true or not. So stop bashing her, please.

I just wonder what kind of a man her “fiance” is, that two women would be willing to share him. Some guys are just lucky.

 

[R_not]

I think its a good idea that Amy would actually experience what its like being a secong wife. Think about it, people. For one thing at least she is literally living up to her defense of polygamy. Thats the only way she could find out if what we are arguing are true or not. So stop bashing her, please.

I just wonder what kind of a man her “fiance” is, that two women would be willing to share him. Some guys are just lucky.

There isn’t anything ‘religious’ about polygamy. It is skanky and smarmy and by just saying that it is ok - you are putting a stamp of approval on them bringing sharia law into our country - because that is what this is all about. sharia law vs our laws. They are thumbing their noses at our laws. This is what they do in every country they migrate to. they have no intention of merging with us as a whole society. I wish more people would read the history of islam - and it isn’t easy to read it, I will admit. But you will see that especially with the current history in the 20th century what has happened in so many countries starts out with the appearance of peace, but ends out with just this sort of thing with an increase of demands, their practicing sharia law within our country and… well, I won’t go there since I am hoping we catch more of this. Currently a polygamous muslim is facing court in California - and I hope the ‘virginal’ wives are too.

Personally, it shows the base level that islam brings out of its practitioners.

 

[Delta2]

Can a moman enter in the mosque to pray ?

I really don’t know

 

[morning_star777]

its ok mr.lamer cuz its hard to find.but truely sister amy comment like that.but i don’t care cuz i secretly become christian forever from islam.so i don’t care who is muslim or not.i am a christian since 3 months and will be a christian forever.but thanks for ur reply and concern.

 

[R_not]

We all need to pray for morning star because if muslims in his country find out he is secretly a Christian he will be tortured and probably killed.

This is what all of you who defend islam are helping along - the intolerant ones continue their killing of our fellow human beings. And that is the end product of what they want in our countries in the West too - to do exactly what they do in muslim countries. To make life hades for Christians, Jews and all non-muslims!

There is no honor to women, nor to men, in islam.

 

[morning_star777]

absolutly mr.R_not they will kill me.&i guess the situation off sam_777 is more dangerous than me.cuz he is from saudi arabia.so jesus save all of us.save all ppl.AMEN