honor of women in islam

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Sister_Amy said:
Why would someone deliberately face Jerusalem while urinating?
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not necessarily deliberately. The point is : you cannot face Qibla but you can face Jerusalem. So when you are building a house, you make sure the WC is not facing the Qibla, but you do not worry if it is facing Jerusalem. This is why i said i do not understand the theological depth of such a commandment.
 
inJESUS said:
not necessarily deliberately. The point is : you cannot face Qibla but you can face Jerusalem. So when you are building a house, you make sure the WC is not facing the Qibla, but you do not worry if it is facing Jerusalem. This is why i said i do not understand the theological depth of such a commandment.
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I don’t urinate outside. You don’t urinate outside. Facing a wall is definitely not the same thing as urinating outside, so it really doesn’t matter.

But making a point to face qiblah to use the bathroom? That is what one shouldn’t do.

This is sooooooooooooo insignificant in the grand scheme of things… sheesh.
 
Sister_Amy said:
I don’t urinate outside. You don’t urinate outside. Facing a wall is definitely not the same thing as urinating outside, so it really doesn’t matter.

am not sure what you are replying to Amy. I did not use outside and inside in my argument. Am talking about not facing the Qibla yet facing Jerusalem…what is the theological depth of such a commandment?
But making a point to face qiblah to use the bathroom? That is what one shouldn’t do.
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Sister_Amy said:
inJESUS;3746144 said:
Theological depth? This is like trivia what we’re discussing. You were talking about building a house–that is where inside and outside comes in to play.
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when i was discussing the buiding of a house, i meant that you cannot build your bathroom facing Qibla but you wouldn’t worry if it is facing Jerusalem…as simple as this. and am asking about the spiritualy depth of this commandmant.
uh-huh
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what? it is a commandmant isn’t it?
The problem is someone who would deliberately face the qiblah to urinate thinking it’s better or something. It’s not, and the Prophet (s) said don’t do it.
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Amy, you just cannot face the Qibla while urinating. We all know this already. Whether someon does it deliberatly or not is not relevent. Am discussing a general rule, not the details of the intentions.
And He says: To Allah belong the east and the West
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: Whithersoever ye turn, there is the presence of Allah.** For Allah is all-Pervading,** all-Knowing. great so why is it wrong to urinate facing Qibla and not wrong to urinate facing Jerusalem if Allah is all pervading and if Jerusalem is also a sacred place? yes you pray toward the Qibla, but Jerusalem is a sacred place as well…see what i mean? the reasons given to not urinate toward Qibla apply as well to Jerusalem as a sacred place so i do not understand why the Qibla is a no no to Allah but Jersusalem no problem.
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inJESUS said:
when i was discussing the buiding of a house, i meant that you cannot build your bathroom facing Qibla but you wouldn’t worry if it is facing Jerusalem…as simple as this. and am asking about the spiritualy depth of this commandmant.
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Try this page for more info: islamqa.com/en/ref/69808/qiblah%20bathroom

Aren’t you aware that Jerusalem is not the qiblah?
what? it is a commandmant isn’t it?
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islamqa.com/en/ref/69808/qiblah%20bathroom
Amy, you just cannot face the Qibla while urinating. We all know this already. Whether someon does it deliberatly or not is not relevent. Am discussing a general rule, not the details of the intentions.
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Of course it matters if it’s deliberate.

Hadith #1 in An-Nawawi’s 40 ahadith: Actions are by their intentions. So intentions DO matter.
great so why is it wrong to urinate facing Qibla and not wrong to urinate facing Jerusalem if Allah is all pervading and if Jerusalem is also a sacred place? yes you pray toward the Qibla, but Jerusalem is a sacred place as well…see what i mean? the reasons given to not urinate toward Qibla apply as well to Jerusalem as a sacred place so i do not understand why the Qibla is a no no to Allah but Jersusalem no problem.
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It’s wrong to urinate facing the Ka’ba because that is what is prohibited.

The Ka’ba is not in Jerusalem, is it?

Medina is also a “sacred place,” and in Islam it is even holier than Jerusalem, which is third. Therefore, by your logic, there should also be a prohibition against urinating facing Medina. But there isn’t.

It is ONLY towards the Ka’ba.
 
I don’t recall too many religions that I have studied more worried about what direction a person faces when they go to the bathroom than islam.

mohammed was disgruntled, or one could say just insanely angry, at the Jews because they would not fall for his new ‘religion’. so, he changed the direction of where muslims pray from Jerusalem to the black rock - the same rock that is of his pagan religion that he incorporated into islam. The same rock that used to have a statue of allah on top of it since allah was the main moon god of mohammed’s pagan religion.

I say he was insanely angry at the Jews because he proceeded to war against them, along with Christians and other people of other religions of his time.

As for me using ‘emotional’ words, such as ‘whining and wailing’ - I can change that to something like their insistence that they are the victims. It is just that everytime i see them insisting that they are the victims - it is after the muslims have started the aggressions and the ones who they have been battling against strike back - the aggressors (the muslims) will run around carrying dead bodies in an emotional manner to try to get the news people to focus on them. So, quite often we don’t hear that the aggression was indeed started by the muslims. Nor do we hear that muslims feel that no infidel should do anything back to a muslim - no matter what they do.

And the bad thing about the above scenario is that the muslims will use the houses where women and children are residing as places they lob rockets from and then run away. So, if the Israelis do strike back and kill a child, the muslims will use the dead as propoganda against the Israelis.

They do this in Lebanon and the Gaza.
 
Sister_Amy said:
Try this page for more info: islamqa.com/en/ref/69808/qiblah%20bathroom

i really don’t know what you are doing except proving me correct. From your link:

So long as you are still at the building stage, it will be more on the safe side if you build the toilets so that when relieving oneself one is not facing the qiblah or turning one’s back towards it, so as to avoid a matter concerning which the scholars differed.

Great. You proved my point but you did not answer my question : why the Qibla is no, but Jerusalem is no problem since Jerusalem is a sacred place as well ?
Of course it matters if it’s deliberate.

Hadith #1 in An-Nawawi’s 40 ahadith: Actions are by their intentions. So intentions DO matter.
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inJESUS said:
i used Jerusalem as an example. Medina is another good example. What is the Wisdom of Allah from prohibiting urinating toward Qibla, but no problem toward other sacred places?
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Ask Allaah! 🤷

You do realize that Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem are not equivalent in their sanctity in Islam, aren’t you?
 
R Not

I don’t give it much thought at all, personally. It is inJESUS here who seems to have the problem.
 
Sister_Amy said:
R Not

I don’t give it much thought at all, personally. It is inJESUS here who seems to have the problem.
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it is not a problem to me but i’d like to understand this just as i’d like to understand why a man cannot hold his private part in his right hand while urinating…i just cannot comprehend the Wisdom of Allah regarding not using the right hand for example, if there is any.
 
inJESUS said:
it is not a problem to me but i’d like to understand this just as i’d like to understand why a man cannot hold his private part in his right hand while urinating…i just cannot comprehend the Wisdom of Allah regarding not using the right hand for example, if there is any.
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lol

ok, now enough with the direction, now you’re worried about which hand to use?

This one is simple. Muslims greet each other with the right hand. We shake hands–the right hand. We eat with our right hand.

And we clean ourselves with the left hand.

Think of it this way: when a Muslim wants to shake your hand, you don’t have to worry that he just used it to clean himself after going to the bathroom.
 
here i can use my wisdom:D . You will just have to reverse the order…you use your right hand in the bathroom and you shake my hand with your left one…and don’t you even try to use your right hand in my presence…i wont even accept a cup of tea unless prepared only with your left hand 😛
 
Sister_Amy said:
If that is the case, why are there so many English translations of the Qur’an?
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Sorry, touching base, not to leave a loose thread.

You are reading a translation of the Quran. To actually read the Quran, you must read it in its supposedly unaltered form…more to follow.
 
Is this supposed to be some Moorcockian wierdness, or is this just a
glitch?
 
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