honor of women in islam

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Jharek, i was just joking …obviously it’s not something we should even think of since both hands are used interchangeably, both hands get dirty, and both hands can be washed. If you have an obsession with cleanliness, just dont shake hands 😛 because dirt can result from a billion reason… Again, i see no divine wisdom whatsover with all this right hand stuff…on the contrary…
 
Sister_Amy said:
Ask Allaah! 🤷

You do realize that Mecca, Medina, and Jerusalem are not equivalent in their sanctity in Islam, aren’t you?
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Yeah, it seems that when mohammed went to Medina is when he started to accumulate his slaves.

answering-islam.org/Silas/slavery.htm

They want Jerusalem because of Muhammad’s Night of Ascension (c. 620 CE). Muslims believe Muhammad was miraculously transported one night from Mecca to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, whereupon he ascended to Heaven to meet previous prophets of Islam. Of course, Aisha says that he didn’t go anywhere because she witnessed that he never left his bed.

But, another reason is that they feel the whole world is theirs to claim so once they have Jerusalem they will concentrate on other areas since it is their stated goal.

islam will rule the world and USA: memritv.org/clip/en/1761.htm

the above is only one example - the are a lot of examples of different muslims claiming their rights to our, and all, lands. A good book to read is ‘A Never Ending War’.

as for the comment that inJesus is too concerned with the muslim’s bathroom behavior - well, he isn’t the one practicing such things - it is the muslims who are overly concerned with it, hence all the rules and regulations.

Take note in this article on sharia law the stones they are supposed to carry with them to the bathroom.

sharia law: frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=8AD3D2F1-FD2C-4E78-B233-2F97FCF97B94

I worry more about their intent to kill, convert or subjugate us while telling us how benign and peaceful they are.
 
Muslims can believe Islam is the women paradise but they just cannot tell us Islam is better than other cultures/religions which they often do. I for example will not accept that God Almighty gives men the excuse to beat their women “if needed”…no matter how sugar-coated the word “hit” is, it is unacceptable to attribute to God such a teaching, let alone telling us that Islam is the best thing for women because am sure not many on this forum will agree that hitting ( no matter the degree) and polygamy , for example, are women’s best friend. This is why we will always disagree with Muslims regarding Islam’s “superior” teachings.
 
No it doesn’t. Read the chapter called ‘women’ in the koran. We already went all over this - islam teaches quite the opposite and treats women as next to dogs and only realize they need them to have their children.

One of the very few places muslim women can divorce a man is in the USA - in muslim controlled countries they cannot do such a thing. And if they get their way in our land and establish sharia law - they will lose that right.

They bring ‘honor killings’ and polygamy to our shores also. Past posts have shown this. Do you need for these facts to be reposted or are you able to go back and look for yourself?
 
One more, please be fair, consider the sources and if you have more acumen, technical and otherwise, than this poster, please clarify and
correct.

Please, casual opinion is easy, another time perhaps. Conclusions are fine, if you would.

‘I feel’ please no. What are the facts? What is this faith?

www.faithfreedom.org/challenge.htm
 
I see the website is of a European. I didn’t go too much further into it though.

And so many Europeans are in full appeasement mode and caving in to muslim demands while doing nothing to have them tolerate and lessen their crimes against non-muslims. While rapes and beatings of non-muslims increase, the increase of muslims on your welfare, and making areas in europe that are dangerous for anyone to enter or else they take their lives in their hands shows us that the stated goal of muslims to islamicize Europe will be done in a decade - possibly two decades.

You should listen to what they say, what their goals are. And as with so many other countries - it is helped along by the appeasers. Lebanon is a very, good example of this phenomenon. And now we see Lebanon almost fully islamicized while the Christians are being tortured/killed, or leaving, or accepting dhimmitude (subjugation).

And muslim women who fill up your safe houses. Once they find out that there is such a thing, since there is no such thing in muslim controlled countries, they flock there and fill them up and flee the abuse that their husbands, fathers, sons, and brothers dole out.
 
You are being dodgy, or you are not getting the point.

Talking about the faith itself. What do its writings and teachings actually say and mean?

No offense meant but so what about your neighbor?

What do the Quran, and the Hadiths say?
 
Hey chief, slow your roll. I am giving different sources here, did you want me to slant them all to ‘make a sale’

‘well known’ vitriolic …opinion?

Trying to be honest here, insteaf of stacking the deck. You know, fair.
 
Also, the point, AGAIN, is what is Islam, not how ‘neat’ your neighbor’s kids sisters Gerbil is.

Please save the condescension. It is a disease I would rather diminish within myself. I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, and I would rather respect you than block/ignore you.

Oh, you may live in Europe, but exactly why do you assume I am ignorant of your locale?
 
Here is the difference. In a Judeo-Christian society we have laws and we round out these perps, and especially with our freedoms that evolved into recognizing that abusing women and children is indeed a crime, give them a trial and mete out punishment if necessary.

In muslim countries under sharia law - and that goes for newly made muslim countries such as Indonesia, Malaysia, etc - they do not have any help for these women. Women are a muslim male’s property.

Any muslim woman that has never witnessed this or will acknowledge this, is only being disingenuous.
 
ToddM said:
Also, the point, AGAIN, is what is Islam, not how ‘neat’ your neighbor’s kids sisters Gerbil is.

Please save the condescension. It is a disease I would rather diminish within myself. I don’t want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, and I would rather respect you than block/ignore you.

Oh, you may live in Europe, but exactly why do you assume I am ignorant of your locale?
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What is islam? A political movement that uses religion and a god (allah) to instill fear and intimidation into infidels, or deceives them, in order to either convert, kill or subjugate them (subjugation, or dhimmitude, is only reserved for ‘people of the book’). It is all sanctioned in the koran and hadiths. Muslims will tell you that you need an imam, or cleric, or that you don’t understand it if you read it by yourself, or basically any excuse when us infidels figure out what islam is. The worst sin in islam is shirk - not the torture/killing of infidels, or even their own women. One must not shirk allah.

if you want to know more then read the koran and hadiths. Read about mohammed and allah. A good book to read about mohammed is ‘The Life and Religion of mohammed’, and this is only available on the web on a few sites because muslims have intimidated and instilled fear to some businesses who carried this book. As they do quite often to such people such as Mr. Spencer, Mr. Michael Savage, etc.

you will find also if you read the websites such as faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org and others the daily martyrs that muslims make out of people just because of their religion. You will begin to understand jihad - it is a duty of all muslims. and that terms such as ‘moderate’, ‘radical’, etc are OUR Western people’s or non-muslim’s terms.

All muslims are instructed to wage jihad and the most holy of the jihads is the violent jihad with the ‘inner struggle’ being the lowest.

here is an interesting website on the ka’baa:
bible.ca/islam/islam-kaba-history.htm

Now, if you don’t want to buy the books then there is quite a lot on it in faithfreedom.org and also actforamerica.org

If you rely on muslim’s versions of islam you will be told how benign and peaceful it is and well, that isn’t really true. It is at the start of their immigration into lands with an increase of violence that will eventually start. They just do not have any proof that it is otherwise and the proof of its violence is readily available.

article on % of muslims and % of violence:
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D
 
I could have lived until I died with muslims, but then 9/11 happened. And knowing of all the attacks against us, the fatwas, etc. I was jarred into asking myself ‘why do they hate us?’. Why is it that they all seem so peaceful, but then are caught dancing and ulalating around the world - and in our own USA - when 9/11 happened. Or that they blame the Jews and they then behaved like victims and said it was the Jews who danced and ulalated - and the Jews don’t behave in that manner.

Well, after reading the koran, hadiths, about mohammed, islam’s history both past and present - I found out and it jarred me into sharing my knowledge of islam.

We follow the 10 commandments, or even better yet Christ’s words, ‘love God, love thy neighbor as thyself’ and muslims are taught that the only muslims are to be given that courtesy and even their own women are like dogs, or property, to them. And infidels - well, we are lower than pigs and feces to them and basically, they can do with us as they will. It is all in the koran and hadiths - and make sure to read the version they read.

And what you will never hear from muslims - those peaceful passages that are indeed in the koran were replaced by the violent passages. the peaceful passages are the older passages and when mohammed went to Medina the tone of his teachings changed to violence against the non-muslims. mohammed himself fought in over 35 of the 80+ battles, and razas (raids), during his own lifetime.

answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html
a quote from the above website:
The common muslim belief is that it is allowable to tell a falsehood on four occasions:
1st, to save one’s life;
2nd, to effect a peace or reconciliation;
3rd, to persuade a woman;
4th, on the occasion of a journey or expedition.
 
R_not said:
What is islam? A political movement that uses religion and a god (allah) to instill fear and intimidation into infidels, or deceives them, in order to either convert, kill or subjugate them (subjugation, or dhimmitude, is only reserved for ‘people of the book’). It is all sanctioned in the koran and hadiths. Muslims will tell you that you need an imam, or cleric, or that you don’t understand it if you read it by yourself, or basically any excuse when us infidels figure out what islam is. The worst sin in islam is shirk - not the torture/killing of infidels, or even their own women. One must not shirk allah.

if you want to know more then read the koran and hadiths. Read about mohammed and allah. A good book to read about mohammed is ‘The Life and Religion of mohammed’, and this is only available on the web on a few sites because muslims have intimidated and instilled fear to some businesses who carried this book. As they do quite often to such people such as Mr. Spencer, Mr. Michael Savage, etc.

you will find also if you read the websites such as faithfreedom.org, jihadwatch.org and others the daily martyrs that muslims make out of people just because of their religion. You will begin to understand jihad - it is a duty of all muslims. and that terms such as ‘moderate’, ‘radical’, etc are OUR Western people’s or non-muslim’s terms.

All muslims are instructed to wage jihad and the most holy of the jihads is the violent jihad with the ‘inner struggle’ being the lowest.

here is an interesting website on the ka’baa:
bible.ca/islam/islam-kaba-history.htm

Now, if you don’t want to buy the books then there is quite a lot on it in faithfreedom.org and also actforamerica.org

If you rely on muslim’s versions of islam you will be told how benign and peaceful it is and well, that isn’t really true. It is at the start of their immigration into lands with an increase of violence that will eventually start. They just do not have any proof that it is otherwise and the proof of its violence is readily available.

article on % of muslims and % of violence:
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-75683AEED74D
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I’m already traking bro. This was a last ditch effort to error check myself. The ‘greatest’ Islamic apologists I’ve found so far are an absolute joke, and they either pretend some great victory in their debates that is pathetically untrue, or they actually believe they are making some kind of sense.

As to reading the Quran, I was willing to make allowances that, just as in Catholicism and the bible some things may not readily apparent to the layman.

The only conclusion I can reach, without wasting more of my life studying something patently false when I could be doing otherwise is that the likes of Bin Laden doing precisely as their faith and prophet did and directed his followers to do.

This is not a nice conclusion to reach, but at some point you gotta fish or cut bait.

Thank you all for your (name removed by moderator)ut, even the crazy (name removed by moderator)ut is some kind of (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
F/R_not

‘…And what you will never hear from muslims - those peaceful passages that are indeed in the koran were replaced by the violent passages. the peaceful passages are the older passages and when mohammed went to Medina the tone of his teachings changed to violence against the non-muslims. mohammed himself fought in over 35 of the 80+ battles, and razas (raids), during his own lifetime…’

Yeah, I was trying to stop some shucking and jiving earlier by pinning
someone with this fact. This is the ‘last word’ I spoke of initially.

People still don’t get how the blind sheik,( I owe an ‘apology’ f/earlier I guess. Islam has some fantasic apologists, on the ‘wrong’ side) avoided prosecution in a demonstrably secularized Muslim court. How one might ask? He brilliantly defended himself, his position, and Islam while at the same time showing that the court itself had deviated from its own legal structure which is to be
solely what? Can you guess? Islam. Period.

He walked. He orchestrated many more crimes. He was ‘right’

Thanks bro, time to shift and lift back to my Faith. Peace.

PS. It really is insane, if not outright evil to defend wolves f/sheep.
 
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ToddM said:
F/R_not

‘…And what you will never hear from muslims - those peaceful passages that are indeed in the koran were replaced by the violent passages. the peaceful passages are the older passages and when mohammed went to Medina the tone of his teachings changed to violence against the non-muslims. mohammed himself fought in over 35 of the 80+ battles, and razas (raids), during his own lifetime…’

Yeah, I was trying to stop some shucking and jiving earlier by pinning
someone with this fact. This is the ‘last word’ I spoke of initially.

People still don’t get how the blind sheik,( I owe an ‘apology’ f/earlier I guess. Islam has some fantasic apologists, on the ‘wrong’ side) avoided prosecution in a demonstrably secularized Muslim court. How one might ask? He brilliantly defended himself, his position, and Islam while at the same time showing that the court itself had deviated from its own legal structure which is to be
solely what? Can you guess? Islam. Period.

He walked. He orchestrated many more crimes. He was ‘right’

Thanks bro, time to shift and lift back to my Faith. Peace.

PS. It really is insane, if not outright evil to defend wolves f/sheep.
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You got it!

The thing with the reading of the koran and hadiths - it is just proof of what islam is.

I keep islam in a ‘shelf’ in my brain. Since there is nothing that uplifts the soul in it, or the human condition - and is in fact quite the opposite of those things - I don’t have a problem with keeping it separate.

Because of the readings that I have done - I have branched out to reading about fascisms (of which I think islam is indeed a fascism) and also things like psychopathy and sociopathy. I think mohammed, somewhere between his time in Mecca and his journey to Medina, got some kind of brain damage. OR becasue of all his sexual escapades - maybe he had syphillis that became pronounced. Obviously, something happened and it was not for the good of mankind. Some even say he had epilepsy which would account for his visions and feelings after those visions. I don’t know - we will never know - it is just that something happened in that space of time.

Oh well, all of this is off topic - but not quite since he did not have a great love of women. Maybe he liked to have sex with them and control their every aspect - but I do not believe he liked women very much or else we would not be witnesses to such atrocities against them that they experience worldwide. Such things as what is contained in the chapter called ‘women’ in the koran would not be part of a religion either if he liked women. And this doesn’t even include the atrocities against women that are slaves which is not only contained in the koran but the hadiths too.

🙂
 
This was entirely on topic. It has to be addressed before you discover that the topic is akin to saying ‘the role of Baal worship in cub scout meetings’.

As nearly as this admittedly feeble layman’s brain can determine, there is no honor of women in Islam. Done deal, case closed as far as I’m concerned.

Thanks, still coming down f/the crazy pills, peace and out.
 
This is going to set off the poweder keg, but I have to say it.

If I accept that the Koran is 100% from God, then I must accept Islam.

If I accept Islam, then I must accept women as property of their father until marriage, when they belong to their husband. I must accept that women should not be aloowed to think on their own or have any control over any aspect of their lives, including when and how they have sex.

I must also accept that the West is in error for thinking that women are equal to men and valuable members of society.

Women in Islam are better than dogs, as dogs are banned unless working or for portection. Wait, women are only allowed for pleasure or child-bearing. Nevermind…
 
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