Hooting, hollering, and whistling in church

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Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that the essence of the liturgy has totally disappeared and been replaced by a kind of religious entertainment.
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Ratzinger, Joseph Cardinal (2000). The Spirit of the Liturgy. San Fransisco: Ignatius Press.
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Wherever applause breaks out in the liturgy because of some human achievement, it is a sure sign that . . .
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The liturgy for priestly ordination requires applause.
 
Stylites said:
The liturgy for priestly ordination requires applause.
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Not exactly. Emphasis by me:

Rite of Ordination of a Priest:
13. … All present say: Thanks be to God, or give their assent to the choice in some other way, according to local custom.
 
TheMc said:
Not exactly. Emphasis by me:

Rite of Ordination of a Priest:
13. … All present say: Thanks be to God, or give their assent to the choice in some other way, according to local custom.
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Local custom, eh? So if there happens to be an abundance of people who celebrate via clapping and perhaps some whistling then it would be allowed, wouldn’t?

Then again, ordinations happen all day every day so I guess a polite applause is all that’s really needed.
 
Corki said:
I don’t think the OP is in Africa so those enculturation elements are not applicable.
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HELP. WHAT IS OP? (But we know the Africans are inthe United States I am descended from one, knowing what part of Ghana from which we came (and was kidnapped). What is OP?
Blessings
 
BlackCatholics said:
HELP. WHAT IS OP? (But we know the Africans are inthe United States I am descended from one, knowing what part of Ghana from which we came (and was kidnapped). What is OP?
Blessings
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Acronym for Original Poster - the person who created the thread. Can also mean Original Post, which refers to the first post itself. In short, OP refers to the main subject of the thread and the one who offered it.
 
BlackCatholics said:
Grace,peace, and mercy to you. I am new to Catholic Answes, but lifelong Catholic. Might I share. “Blatant, disrespectful” is a cultural determinative.
Might I guide you to Youtube–Gambia and the Catholic Church (Or any African country and the Catholic Church, or Pacific rim and the Catholic church, and you will see our masses (those in the African diaspora) are filled with a joyful noise, and powerful emotional worship of God.
Howsoever, the quietude appears to be a function of the European heritaged, and by all means worship Father God and Son, Yeshua in the manner that befits you and your culture. You can do nothing more. But if you celebrate outside the United States (or that idiom) get ready for a powerful extension of the Holy Spirit in worship. (It is said that St. Augustine the African bishop of Hippo Regus danced down the aisle (as did David) in worship.(Excuse any arthritic) typos. Humbly submitted…
Pax Christi
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That is not true. we don’t see this sort of thing in teh Orthodox Church.
 
BlackCatholics said:
Do you remember if it was a High Mass (all the altar candles lit) or low mass (just a few). Tridentine? ,Latin masses are glorious, especially if there is choir that can sing either Gregorian Chant, or regular Catholic hymns. And a mass where a bishop celebrates or several con-celebrants, Oh, my God!
Ex-altar boy here at Cincinnati’s 150 years+ old St. Joseph Church. I don’t think I’ve seen such a mass for nigh on 59 years or so. They don’t do 'em like they used to.
But then Ysehua didn’t stay with the apostles past 3 years or so, neither. But I hear some parishes around the US are beginning to have 'em. Check out Mass Times web site online. You might find one or several in your neck of the woods.
Pax Christi!
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I’ve been to High and Low TLM; it doesn’t matter which – just love it that no one is talking and all eyes are on the altar, specifically the Tabernacle… there is no applause for any one individual, because the Mass is a prayer from beginning to end; we are there to worship Jesus Christ, not each other…
 
I see nothing wrong with an applause. People can express joy many ways especially such a great moment as priestly ordination. Hooting, hollering, and whistling though…that is too much. We should try to show our emotions in a respectable way so as not to forget we are at Church.
 
sasha7 said:
I’ve been to High and Low TLM; it doesn’t matter which – just love it that no one is talking and all eyes are on the altar, specifically the Tabernacle… there is no applause for any one individual, because the Mass is a prayer from beginning to end; we are there to worship Jesus Christ, not each other…
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Or just to worship worship, and to be mindful of what everyone else is doing?
 
BlackCatholics said:
HELP. WHAT IS OP? (But we know the Africans are inthe United States I am descended from one, knowing what part of Ghana from which we came (and was kidnapped). What is OP?
Blessings
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Hi BlackCatholic,

I have grown up attending all sorts of Protestant sevices and singing all sorts of music at from classical to black gospel.

I happen to love the Tridentine mass because it exemplifies to me a state of reverence I have not seen anywhere else. It seems to me to be the closest example of what heaven will be like.

However, I have seen it said many times on this forum., this is not how Europeans worship or Americans worship.

To me there is something wrong with that statement because certainly in America, especially in NY we are an amalgam of ethnic mixtures. And some of us are not descended from Europeans.

I have chosen to worship in the more quiet Tridentine form because it appeals to me.

If we are going to tie worship to ethnicity, then we should all be Eastern as Christianity began in the East.
 
True Light: like you, i really prefer the Traditional Latin Mass. It never has this talking before or after mass, any clapping or disturbing behaviour in other forms as you get to witness in a Novo Ordo mass daily.

People seem to confuse a church with a ballroom, bingo or the typical everyday-chatter-place. Mass is not a circus and i am suprised that one actually have to explain adult people in a catholic forum this.

Maybe im missing something here. Maybe this is why i do not visit this forum so often anymore. Maybe i have grown tired of the attitude and carelesness being expressed too often.
 
TrueLight said:
Hi BlackCatholic,

I have grown up attending all sorts of Protestant sevices and singing all sorts of music at from classical to black gospel.

I happen to love the Tridentine mass because it exemplifies to me a state of reverence I have not seen anywhere else. It seems to me to be the closest example of what heaven will be like.

However, I have seen it said many times on this forum., this is not how Europeans worship or Americans worship.

To me there is something wrong with that statement because certainly in America, especially in NY we are an amalgam of ethnic mixtures. And some of us are not descended from Europeans.

I have chosen to worship in the more quiet Tridentine form because it appeals to me.

If we are going to tie worship to ethnicity, then we should all be Eastern as Christianity began in the East.
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In case I wasn’t clear I meant that I have seen people saying we shouldn’t do certain things because it is not European. Liturgical dancing and clapping are not European, for example.

I believe we shouldn’t have certain practices at mass because it can be distracting, but I do not believe we should tie mass practices to supposed European practice, because Christianity began in the Middle East, not Europe.

Even if it’s center, at least in the latin rite, eventually moved to Rome, that does not make Christianity/Catholicism a European religion.

So just because I attend Latin Rite masses does not mean I am attending a European mass.
 
Padraig1972 said:
True Light: like you, i really prefer the Traditional Latin Mass. It never has this talking before or after mass, any clapping or disturbing behaviour in other forms as you get to witness in a Novo Ordo mass daily.

People seem to confuse a church with a ballroom, bingo or the typical everyday-chatter-place. Mass is not a circus and i am suprised that one actually have to explain adult people in a catholic forum this.

Maybe im missing something here. Maybe this is why i do not visit this forum so often anymore. Maybe i have grown tired of the attitude and carelesness being expressed too often.
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Hi Padraig,

From what I have seen Protestantism has definitely entered the Catholic church in an attempt to make it more appealing to non-Catholics. I’m speaking as someone who hasn’t crossed the Tiber technically yet though in my heart, I have. 🙂
 
It has been my experience that the more “special” a Mass is, the “rowdier” that Mass will be.

So Christmas, Easter, ordinations, First Communions, Confirmations, sometimes weddings and funerals, and other such Masses will be noisier and less “reverent” than a typical Sunday Mass.

Of course this will vary from parish to parish and from diocese to diocese. The presence of large numbers of people who are not regular Church attendees will usually make the Mass more …um… “boisterous”.
 
SMHW said:
It has been my experience that the more “special” a Mass is, the “rowdier” that Mass will be.

So Christmas, Easter, ordinations, First Communions, Confirmations, sometimes weddings and funerals, and other such Masses will be noisier and less “reverent” than a typical Sunday Mass.
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And it follows that the most reverent Mass in those parishes is usually the daily Mass.

It also goes the other way too, depending on the parish. In a very good parish, the more “special” the Mass, the more reverence and solemnity there is.
 
TrueLight said:
Hi Padraig,

From what I have seen Protestantism has definitely entered the Catholic church in an attempt to make it more appealing to non-Catholics. I’m speaking as someone who hasn’t crossed the Tiber technically yet though in my heart, I have. 🙂
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I have seen those tendencies too and all i can say: none of them who attempt that to happen get it and they simply do not understand at all.
A blind can not lead a blind.

You are on the right way and welcome home i soon enough shall wish you. 👍
 
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