Hostility towards Latin

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One of my Grandfathers immigrated from Denmark, … At the time he immigrated he was a Lutheran. Of course, all of the Lutheran Church’s services, in this country, were held in English.
I believe Scandinavian-speaking Lutheran congregations still exist in Minnesota, and would not be surprised to hear they exist in Seattle, and probably elsewhere (I know of a Swedish congregation in central Massachusetts, e.g.) as well. Here in New York, we had Danish, Swedish, and Norwegian Lutheran congregations. I’m not sure of the status of the Danish one (I believe it was called the Danish Seaman’s Church), but the Swedish One is still kicking. There were, if memory serves, two Norwegian congregations: one was closed some 25 years ago, but the other, last I heard, is still functioning. To my knowledge, there are no Icelandic or Faeroese-speaking congregations in the US, but I think there is an Icelandic-speaking one in Manitoba.
 
You would think so…won’t you? If traditionalist want there not to be a biasis against the TLM or a Latin phobia if you will…won’t it make more sense not to be hostile?

The title of this thread is “Hostility towards Latin”. Are you saying that traditionalistS are hostile to Latin??

The above doesn’t make sense.
 
I think that some Latin in the NO is welcome and beautiful, however, am I the only person here who remembers what mass was like circa 1960? Many people sat in the pews and said Hail Mary’s or did private devotions during the Latin parts of the Mass, and then, if by magic scurried back to their pews (away from their personal Saints and candles) as soon as the bell indicating consecration was rung. Others just sat in the pews and watched (observation of an 8 year old) until the Our Father.

I remember the Mass “circa 1960” very well. I had attended it daily for 19yrs. by then. I am very tired of the picture that some Catholics would like to perpetuate concerning the practices of elderly Catholics during that time. IMO., they were intellectually superior, as a group, to the Catholics I see posting here. In all of those Masses, I did not see ONE person wandering around the Church during Mass. Neither my Grandmother, born in 1850… nor my Grandfather had any problem following the Mass & would NEVER have prayed the rosary while participating in the holiest prayer that exists, the Sacrifice of the Mass. They were not part of an elite group, either. My Grandpa worked for the railroad & my Grandmother was a housewife. I have the Latin/English missal my aunt, their daughter, received at her First Communion in 1921. She was 7 yrs. old. I also have a prayer book that my Father received when he was 8 yrs. old. Both have been well used, but used with care. (There a few pages taped & the binding on the front cover of the Missal is gone.) I doubt very much if most adult Catholics could read & pray from these books today.
The priests at our parish all are fully capable of reading and speaking Latin - they are Jesuits with the equivalent of doctorates in theology. Our poor choir is another story - I don’t think they can even speak English, LOL!😉
 
There were schisms and divisions even when Mass was in Latin. Most of what we have today started well before Vatican II.
There were also world wars and Holy Wars and civil wars abounding. I wonder how many of those weren’t caused by some levels of misunderstanding amongst countries.
 
There were also world wars and Holy Wars and civil wars abounding. I wonder how many of those weren’t caused by some levels of misunderstanding amongst countries.
Right. That is why I’m saying our problems today is not brought about by the lack of Latin. Its a misconception that people quickly blames the vernacular Liturgy for the lack of faith of people today. Fact is, there are so many contributors out there why there is a general lack of interest in the faith. Can Latin do anything against Mass Media’s promotion of promiscouity, divorce, same-sex relationships and marriage, drugs, lack of repect to authority, etc?
 
Right. That is why I’m saying our problems today is not brought about by the lack of Latin. Its a misconception that people quickly blames the vernacular Liturgy for the lack of faith of people today.
It may be the tail wagging the dog but nevertheless there seems to be a high correlation between loss of interest in the Catholic faith and the loss of interest in studying the language of the Church. Take away communion and obligation to attend Mass and only a miniscule few would attend.
 
It may be the tail wagging the dog but nevertheless there seems to be a high correlation between loss of interest in the Catholic faith and the loss of interest in studying the language of the Church.
The loss of interest in the faith is not because suddenly the priest is saying the Mass in your language. Its because of all the issues today, pre-marital sex, ABCs, same-sex marriage, divorce and remarraige, etc. Many people have quit the Church and the faith because they do not like where the Church stands on those or other issues. When you open Yahoo! and one of the primary news is this, you have to realize that there are greater problems outside of the Church than within.
 
I prefer the mass in Latin. It is just more beautiful, and universal.

But then, that was my first exposure, with all of the smells and bells.

I still recall my brother’s being punished for peeking at the english translation in his missal. He should have known the Latin by the age of 8, which probably did not endear him to the Latin mass.
 
I prefer the mass in Latin. It is just more beautiful, and universal.

But then, that was my first exposure, with all of the smells and bells.

I still recall my brother’s being punished for peeking at the english translation in his missal. He should have known the Latin by the age of 8, which probably did not endear him to the Latin mass.
That seems to be a little extreme but you seem to have done okay. 👍
 
Tongue in cheek humor? I was not aware of any “attempts” on my part…
 
The rule is that a priest should celebrate only one mass, two if necessary. He needs permission for a third. However, Satudays and vigils of solemnities do not count. Once the evening begins this is considered a different day. If the priest celebrated the mass for Saturday mornig and then celebrate two Sunday masses on Saturday evening, they are considered different days.

It works the other way around too. If you celebrate two Sunday masses on Saturday night, then you should not celebrate a third Sunday mass on Sunday morning without the proper permission. In mission terriotories, this permission is given without having to ask every weekend. In many places in the USA, we have what are called mission parishes that are satelites of one central parish. I’m not sure how the individual bishops handle that.
I should have clarified…he says Mass at Saturday vigil and 3 on Sunday…hence the dispensation. He is a diocian priest. We have 3 parishes in town that have only one priest. Our priest works day and night it seems…I pray every day for him. I don’t know how he does all that he does!
 
Tongue in cheek humor? I was not aware of any “attempts” on my part…
Good, then you know it was me who made a tongue-in-cheek comment that you took out of context. You have to read what I replied to to understand why I said what I said. It helps when you’re joining a conversation thats already underway to understand the context of the entire conversation.
 
Take away communion and obligation to attend Mass and only a miniscule few would attend.
I think you’ve said something, there. We were only obliged to go to Mass once a year centuries ago, I think(?). Gives me the shivers wondering what attendance would be like if Mass was made optional most of the year.
 
ProVobis,

Thank you for this link: rickmk.com/Mass/masstext.html

Where did you find it?
You’re welcome.

Google search. I’m a big fan of translinear translations. Double (name removed by moderator)ut in that fashion really reinforces the message.

Years ago I printed it off, bound up the pages nicely, and gave a few copies to a local chapel. Hope they help.
 
Honestly I gave up on this thread. I thought that maybe people would want to UNDERSTAND the hostility against Latin or how to work to help. What I see instead is “you’re lazy if you are not learning Latin” and most of the Masses should be in Latin…so IMHO it seems that no one is really interested in what people who prefer English think…🤷
 
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