How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

[oldcatholicguy]

You’ve tried to falsely equate homosexual behavior and Catholic behavior.

So you’re claiming that some Catholics don’t have sex outside of marriage and that some of these sex acts aren’t homosexual?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Homosexual acts can cause disease, just like any other sexual activity.

No! Not true.

As you so eloquently put it:

Homosexuality does not cause disease.
Heterosexuality does not cause disease.
Some homosexual acts can lead to disease.
Some heterosexual acts can lead to disease.

I am talking about the SPREAD of disease.

You cannot say that homosexuality can spread disease and leave it at that.

Why not?..I did…and it’s true. Unless you want to redefine homosexuality

Heterosexuality can can spread disease, too. This is my point. The OP claimed that “homosexuality causes disease” and then said the fact that heterosexuals also spread sexual diseases was irrelevant. That is what I was referring to when I wrote that post.

Lou

I know exactly what you were referring to. Did you notice what I wrote?: “Two wrongs do not make a right”.

The spread of disease in the heterosexual community IS irrelevant.

The spread of disease within the homosexual community harms society.

 

[Catholic13]

So you’re claiming that some Catholics don’t have sex outside of marriage and that some of these sex acts aren’t homosexual?

It’s not the Catholic behavior that causes the harm…it’s the homosexual behavior. It has nothing to do with them being Catholic. It has to do with them being homosexual and acting on it. Your argument has failed repeatedly and you’re just repeating your failed logic.

 

[SMGS127]

The spread of disease within the homosexual community harms society.

As does the spread of disease in the heterosexual community.

Oddly enough, lesbians seem to have virtually zero spread of disease, but I don’t find you/Catholic13 discussing that.

Do you believe lesbians aren’t homosexuals? Do you believe lesbian sex isn’t homosexual sex?

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Is Catholic13 a sock of yours (same user/different name) because have you actually read ANY of the posts here. Everything you just said has been refuted as completely inaccurate. More than inaccurate, it’s downright ignorant. It’s truly mindboggling how you can actually believe any of this. Please re read the thread. uch:

Nothing I stated can possibly be refuted. Show me anything from the United Stated Centers for Disease Control that contradicts my post and we will see who is downright ignorant.

 

[Ositokc]

It’s not the Catholic behavior that causes the harm…it’s the homosexual behavior. It has nothing to do with them being Catholic. It has to do with them being homosexual and acting on it. Your argument has failed repeatedly and you’re just repeating your failed logic.

hi! Oh are you still here?

Let me give you a great example of logic:

Anyone can hurt another, spread disease, etc…it has nothing to do with being gay or straight.

Logic!

 

[Rau]

The spread of disease in the heterosexual community IS irrelevant.

The spread of disease within the homosexual community harms society.

Do you draw a nexus between homosexuality and promiscuity?

 

[oldcatholicguy]

It’s not the Catholic behavior that causes the harm…it’s the homosexual behavior. It has nothing to do with them being Catholic. It has to do with them being homosexual and acting on it. Your argument has failed repeatedly and you’re just repeating your failed logic.

Do some Catholics have sex outside of marriage, and are some of these sex acts homosexual? It shouldn’t be too hard of a question for you to answer. It’s yes, yes; or yes, no; or no, yes; or no, no.

 

[Catholic13]

Oddly enough, lesbians seem to have virtually zero spread of disease, but I don’t find you/Catholic13 discussing that.

Because it has no bearing on this discussion. It doesn’t affect any of the facts being discussed. Homosexual men spread a lot of disease.

 

[Ositokc]

Nothing I stated can possibly be refuted. Show me anything from the United Stated Centers for Disease Control that contradicts my post and we will see who is downright ignorant.

hi! Actually everything you say can and has been refuted. It’s like trying to disprove a double negative if that makes sense. So let me clear the air again and give my favorite and the first response to this thread:

"Well…because it’s not homosexuality that spreads diseases.
It’s sex.
Heterosexuality can spread diseases, too.

So it’s not homosexuality, as you say, that “hurts” people."

Logic!

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Because it has no bearing on this discussion. It doesn’t affect any of the facts being discussed. Homosexual men spread a lot of disease.

Not actually what you claimed in your OP.

 

[Rau]

It’s not the Catholic behavior that causes the harm…it’s the -]homo/-]sexual behavior. It has nothing to do with them being Catholic. It has to do with them being -]homo/-]sexual and acting on it:

Dead right. Kind of like modern kids these days (or many of them) sowing wild oats during the dating phase, or the living together phase, before finally marrying. The way to avoid spreading sexual disease is to have one partner.

 

[Lou2U]

No! Not true.

As you so eloquently put it:

Homosexuality does not cause disease.
Heterosexuality does not cause disease.
Some homosexual acts can lead to disease.
Some heterosexual acts can lead to disease.

I am talking about the SPREAD of disease.

Both homosexuals and heterosexuals can carry sexual diseases which they can spread. Sexual activity can spread disease as well as cause it.

Why not?..I did…and it’s true. Unless you want to redefine homosexuality

The definition of homosexuality has nothing to do with sexual diseases.

I know exactly what you were referring to. Did you notice what I wrote?: “Two wrongs do not make a right”.

They don’t. But perhaps you could focus on the two wrongs, instead of just one and saying the other is irrelevant.

The spread of disease in the heterosexual community IS irrelevant.

The spread of disease within the homosexual community harms society.

And you don’t think that the spread of disease within the heterosexual community harms society. Wow.

Lou

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

As does the spread of disease in the heterosexual community.

Two wrongs do not make it right!

Unless you are claiming that homosexuality is equivalent to heterosexuality.

Maybe you mean that since disease is spread within the heterosexual community…then homosexual activity is wholesome, natural and should be promoted and encouraged.??

Oddly enough, lesbians seem to have virtually zero spread of disease, but I don’t find you/Catholic13 discussing that.

Oh yes, lesbians. Those who are free from the spread of STD’s but seem to have a shorter life span and more psychiatric problems than their heterosexual sisters.

Do you believe lesbians aren’t homosexuals? Do you believe lesbian sex isn’t homosexual sex?

It is really not what I believe…it is what I make reference to.

The last time I included lesbians with homosexuals I was criticized by two lesbians so I avoid any comparison.

Anyway the thread is about homosexuality…how did the gals get into this?

 

[Catholic13]

Dead right. Kind of like modern kids these days (or many of them) sowing wild oats during the dating phase, or the living together phase, before finally marrying. The way to avoid spreading sexual disease is to have one partner.

So why don’t gays do that?

 

[oldcatholicguy]

So why don’t gays do that?

Why don’t Catholics do that? It must be because being Catholic is harmful.

 

[Lou2U]

Anyway the thread is about homosexuality…how did the gals get into this?

Homosexuality is being attracted to people of the same gender. Therefore, lesbians are homosexual whether they like to be labelled as such or not.

Lou

 

[Catholic13]

Both homosexuals and heterosexuals can carry sexual diseases which they can spread. Sexual activity can spread disease as well as cause it.

Lou

Is Lou trolling at this point or just attempting to see how quickly he can repeat this 100 times?

I’ve explained to him at least 3 times why this has no bearing on the discussion.

 

[SMGS127]

Two wrongs do not make it right!

Unless you are claiming that homosexuality is equivalent to heterosexuality.

Maybe you mean that since disease is spread within the heterosexual community…then homosexual activity is wholesome, natural and should be promoted and encouraged.??

of course not Zoltan. I am a practicing Catholic.

I am merely showing that one cannot attach a moral basis to an action based on its consequences. This philosophy constitutes consequentialism and proportionalism, and both are antithetical to Catholic teachings.

Oh yes, lesbians. Those who are free from the spread of STD’s but seem to have a shorter life span and more psychiatric problems than their heterosexual sisters.

Social isolation, assault, living in an intolerant society, and the negative effects of coping mechanisms associated with dealing with such (e.g. smoking) will do that to a group of people. I’m sure African-Americans in the 1950s and Irish-Americans in the 1800s suffered similar statistics.

The last time I included lesbians with homosexuals I was criticized by two lesbians so I avoid any comparison.

Anyway the thread is about homosexuality…how did the gals get into this?

Because homosexuality isn’t exclusive to men . Women can be attracted exclusively to members of the same sex too; it’s known as lesbianism or homosexuality.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

Is Lou trolling at this point or just attempting to see how quickly he can repeat this 100 times?

I’ve explained to him at least 3 times why this has no bearing on the discussion.

No, you’ve made the claim it has no bearing on the discussion, you haven’t actually shown it doesn’t. The confusion may be because you believe everything you claim must be true.