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oldcatholicguy
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Actually what I’m proving is that your argument that homosexuality isn’t innate is wrong. With your above you either have to conclude that there is no such thing as homosexuality or some animals are homosexual. Thanks for invalidating your own argument.I read that study. Very interesting. Seems like Giraffes are the most “promiscuous” in that manner.
Actually animals do not engage in homosexual behavior. They “hump”.
A top notch dog trainer was asked why animals do that and if it had anything to do with homosexuality. He said: “They hump because they are stupid, horny animals. If the opposite sex is not available they hump the same sex. If that is not available they hump the fence post.”
If you want to present that study as proof…then you are proving that gay people “hump”,
I cannot understand why any self respecting gay person would want to justify his or her intimacy with the behavior of lower animals…
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Catholic13
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I’m pretty sure the fact that animals engage in homosexual behavior in the wild and that this has been observed and recorded by scientists would qualify as proof in this matter.
What homosexual behavior can be observed in animals…do they collect swatches and attend Broadway shows?
What homosexual behavior can be observed in animals…do they collect swatches and attend Broadway shows?
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cena
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How is it innate?Actually what I’m proving is that your argument that homosexuality isn’t innate is wrong. With your above you either have to conclude that there is no such thing as homosexuality or some animals are homosexual. Thanks for invalidating your own argument.
Humans seek happiness because they seek heaven. Humans get hungry because we need food. Humans get tired because we need sleep. Humans have sex to reproduce. These are natural because they have purpose. Of what purpose does homosexuality have?
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Thorolfr
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Are you sure that animals are amoral? According to the blurb at Amazon for the book Wild Justice: The Moral Lives of Animals:What animals do or don’t do does not actually have any real bearing on morality since animals are amoral.
Scientists have long counseled against interpreting animal behavior in terms of human emotions, warning that such anthropomorphizing limits our ability to understand animals as they really are. Yet what are we to make of a female gorilla in a German zoo who spent days mourning the death of her baby? Or a wild female elephant who cared for a younger one after she was injured by a rambunctious teenage male? Or a rat who refused to push a lever for food when he saw that doing so caused another rat to be shocked? Aren’t these clear signs that animals have recognizable emotions and moral intelligence? With Wild Justice Marc Bekoff and Jessica Pierce unequivocally answer yes.
amazon.com/Wild-Justice-Moral-Lives-Animals/dp/0226041638/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1418947301&sr=8-2&keywords=wild+justiceMarrying years of behavioral and cognitive research with compelling and moving anecdotes, Bekoff and Pierce reveal that animals exhibit a broad repertoire of moral behaviors, including fairness, empathy, trust, and reciprocity. Underlying these behaviors is a complex and nuanced range of emotions, backed by a high degree of intelligence and surprising behavioral flexibility. Animals, in short, are incredibly adept social beings, relying on rules of conduct to navigate intricate social networks that are essential to their survival. Ultimately, Bekoff and Pierce draw the astonishing conclusion that there is no moral gap between humans and other species: morality is an evolved trait that we unquestionably share with other social mammals.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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You are really stretching things…Actually what I’m proving is that your argument that homosexuality isn’t innate is wrong. With your above you either have to conclude that there is no such thing as homosexuality or some animals are homosexual. Thanks for invalidating your own argument.
Animals simply cannot be homosexual. Only humans can choose to be homosexual or acquire homosexuality.
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Thorolfr
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No one chooses to be homosexual. I’m gay and I never made a choice to be this way.You are really stretching things…
Animals simply cannot be homosexual. Only humans can choose to be homosexual or acquire homosexuality.
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oldcatholicguy
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Any other stereotypes about homosexuals you wish to state? I mean it took you long enough, but you are finally showing your true feelings toward our homosexual brothers and sisters.I’m pretty sure the fact that animals engage in homosexual behavior in the wild and that this has been observed and recorded by scientists would qualify as proof in this matter.
What homosexual behavior can be observed in animals…do they collect swatches and attend Broadway shows?
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cena
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Yes, but you do have control over your actions.No one chooses to be homosexual. I’m gay and I never made a choice to be this way.
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Catholic13
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What are my true feelings? So you can’t provide any homosexual behavior in animals?Any other stereotypes about homosexuals you wish to state? I mean it took you long enough, but you are finally showing your true feelings toward our homosexual brothers and sisters.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Then you acquired it some way.No one chooses to be homosexual. I’m gay and I never made a choice to be this way.
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oldcatholicguy
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Humans only have sex in order to reproduce? Humans don’t have sex for the fun of it, or to get something out of it, or for other reasons other than to reproduce?How is it innate?
Humans seek happiness because they seek heaven. Humans get hungry because we need food. Humans get tired because we need sleep. Humans have sex to reproduce. These are natural because they have purpose. Of what purpose does homosexuality have?
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oldcatholicguy
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You know Thor, I apologize about my earlier comment concerning those with SSA getting the impression that the Church and Catholics in general view them with disgust. I know better and this thread is making me feel that the Church and Catholics in general view people with SSA with disgust.Then you acquired it some way.
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cena
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It does not matter if animals do it or not. Human beings that do it still get STd’s, still have high rates of depression suicide, low life expectancy, and the list goes on. And before anyone says “well they are depressed because of homophobia” or something, please explain why places like Sweden and San Francisco have the high rates of suicides for these peopleWhat are my true feelings? So you can’t provide any homosexual behavior in animals?
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Reproduction is THE PURPOSE of sexual relations. Sure its fun…if it wasn’t we wouldn’t do it.Humans only have sex in order to reproduce? Humans don’t have sex for the fun of it, or to get something out of it, or for other reasons other than to reproduce?
Eating can be lots of fun too. It’s natural.
Sexual relations that defeat the purpose…are simply unnatural.
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cena
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People who do not indulge in it are not at fault. Everyone is tempted at some point.You know Thor, I apologize about my earlier comment concerning those with SSA getting the impression that the Church and Catholics in general view them with disgust. I know better and this thread is making me feel that the Church and Catholics in general view people with SSA with disgust.
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oldcatholicguy
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And there is a strong trend by some posters on this thread who hold that merely having SSA is sinful and unnatural (as in it’s not biologically caused). It’s a rejection of Church teaching that SSA isn’t sinful, but the acting upon it is; and the rejection of Church teaching concerning the dignity that we owe are fellow brothers and sisters.People who do not indulge in it are not at fault. Everyone is tempted at some point.
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cena
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As Catholics we say contraception and direct sterilization is wrong because the procreative function is important to the act. Fornication is not okay because the purpose of sex is in marriage. Not that you have to have a baby every time you have sex but having it constantly without being open to that part of it is wrong because it has a purpose. If it wasn’t ‘fun’ then the human race might have died out by now. God’s purpose was for people to have pleasure while repopulating the earth, not have fun and suddenly have an unwanted child.Humans only have sex in order to reproduce? Humans don’t have sex for the fun of it, or to get something out of it, or for other reasons other than to reproduce?
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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The only people I find disgusting are those who spend more time trying to justify a dangerous sexual behavior rather than doing something about those suffering and dying because they engage in such behavior.You know Thor, I apologize about my earlier comment concerning those with SSA getting the impression that the Church and Catholics in general view them with disgust. I know better and this thread is making me feel that the Church and Catholics in general view people with SSA with disgust.
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cena
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We do not know if it is biologically caused but we also do not know if the person could change either. Personally I think the environment has a lot to do with it (like most lesbians are masculine so they are searching the feminity they did not have ). That’s just a theory. The Church says SSA is intricisically disordered but without consent it is not sin.And there is a strong trend by some posters on this thread who hold that merely having SSA is sinful and unnatural (as in it’s not biologically caused). It’s a rejection of Church teaching that SSA isn’t sinful, but the acting upon it is; and the rejection of Church teaching concerning the dignity that we owe are fellow brothers and sisters.
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