How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

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Catholic13 said:
She knew darn well you weren’t being serious. There’s no way she missed the smiley face.
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Actually, I didn’t know he wasn’t serious. He is correct in stating that a portion of the LGBT community (including myself) does not want the genetic source of homosexuality found, but he has the wrong reasons. There are a significant number of people in this country who sincerely believe what he stated (sarcastically, which I didn’t pick up on) as a means of eradicating homosexuality and “purifying” the human race. I would never, ever want a genetic cause of homosexuality to be found – it will only lead to attempted genetic manipulations and/or abortions of children in the womb :(.
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
As a Catholic I abhor abortion.
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My apologies. I am very sensitive about this issue because parents already selectively abort (either through IVF in the West or blatantly in the East [and a small bit in the West]) based on gender and it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that abortions based on sexual orientation would be a high proportion of abortions if a gay gene was found.
 
Thorolfr said:
…On the contrary. It can still be innate and have a biological origin and therefore not be acquired or chosen but also not be considered a mental disorder, but rather a perfectly normal sexual trait for some percentage of the population.
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What is a “sexual trait”? How are they transmitted?

Why not consider it a defect, eg in the sense that autism is a defect?
 
FYI not wanting a biological cause to be found for SSA and claiming SSA is innate are incompatible ideologies.
 
SMGS127 said:
Actually, I didn’t know he wasn’t serious. He is correct in stating that a portion of the LGBT community (including myself) does not want the genetic source of homosexuality found, but he has the wrong reasons. There are a significant number of people in this country who sincerely believe what he stated (sarcastically, which I didn’t pick up on) as a means of eradicating homosexuality and “purifying” the human race. I would never, ever want a genetic cause of homosexuality to be found – it will only lead to attempted genetic manipulations and/or abortions of children in the womb :(.

My apologies. I am very sensitive about this issue because parents already selectively abort (either through IVF in the West or blatantly in the East [and a small bit in the West]) based on gender and it is beyond a shadow of a doubt that abortions based on sexual orientation would be a high proportion of abortions if a gay gene was found.
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Thank you, SMGS
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
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…in reality, gay activists do not want a biological cause of homosexuality to be found. If science were to identify a biological cause of homosexuality, that day would begin the “race for the cure.” And a great many purportedly happy homosexual men and women would secretly join that race.
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Not necessarily. It may start a race to find means of prevention or risk minimization. Such a result would be unequivocally good.

Being able to recognize homosexuality in the womb does present the grave risk of more abortions, however.
 
Rau said:
What is a “sexual trait”? How are they transmitted?

Why not consider it a defect, eg in the sense that autism is a defect?
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Is being left handed a “defect” even though studies suggest that 70–90% of the world’s population is right-handed?
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
Thank you, SMGS
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Yes of course. Despite our differences, I would never ever seek to misrepresent your position, let alone on something as severe as abortion. I thank you for sharing my concern over selective abortions.
 
BrassAnkles said:
FYI not wanting a biological cause to be found for SSA and claiming SSA is innate are incompatible ideologies.
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Not true at all. SSAs are innate, but having a known biological cause could lead to drastic consequences. I’d rather it be unknown and have gay children born than it be known and have gay children killed in the womb 😦
 
Thorolfr said:
Is being left handed a “defect” even though studies suggest that 70–90% of the world’s population is right-handed?
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I don’t happen to know how variability in handedness arises, but I am unable to attach any outcomes of grave significance to it. The entire world could be left handed and it would be of no significance, neither to the individuals nor to the society.

Most variations have no grave consequences. They don’t encourage behaviors in contradiction to the body, or at odds with the passing on of the genetic material of the body.
 
Zoltan_Cobalt said:
As a Catholic I abhor abortion.

My statement does not in any way advocate abortion. The fact of the matter is that abortion happens and some Catholics have procured abortions.

A poster made an absurd statement about straight parents producing homosexual children. I replied with an absurdity. Notice the (:)).

I can understand your offense towards my statement because; in reality, gay activists do not want a biological cause of homosexuality to be found. If science were to identify a biological cause of homosexuality, that day would begin the “race for the cure.” And a great many purportedly happy homosexual men and women would secretly join that race.
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I’m glad that as a Catholic you take the murder of children within the womb so seriously that you feel justified in using it as a cheap ploy in an internet argument.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
I’m glad that as a Catholic you take the murder of children within the womb so seriously that you feel justified in using it as a cheap ploy in an internet argument.
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That’s not fair. I don’t agree with his argument style, but don’t question his beliefs. If he says he abhors abortion, then I believe him.
 
SMGS127 said:
That’s not fair. I don’t agree with his argument style, but don’t question his beliefs. If he says he abhors abortion, then I believe him.
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Using the whole sale murder of children as an “argument style” tells me all I need to know about his beliefs.
 
Catholic13 said:
So then why shouldn’t the unrepentant be warned that what they’re doing is wrong? This thread is not about the penitent. The penitent know what they’re doing is wrong. The unrepentant pretend what they’re doing is natural and normal.
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They should be warned.

Your rhetoric does not only warn them, though. You warn people with humility, by saying, “I’ve done stuff like that, and it doesn’t end well.” You don’t warn them by talking down to them, or mocking them.

And if you think you haven’t done stuff “like that”, I’m afraid you need to meet Jesus, who makes all our sins look absolutely awful – but who, unlike you, has the balm for them!
 
Prodigal_Son said:
They should be warned.

Your rhetoric does not only warn them, though. You warn people with humility, by saying, “I’ve done stuff like that, and it doesn’t end well.” You don’t warn them by talking down to them, or mocking them.

And if you think you haven’t done stuff “like that”, I’m afraid you need to meet Jesus, who makes all our sins look absolutely awful – but who, unlike you, has the balm for them!
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Where have I mocked them?
 
SMGS127 said:
It is beyond a shadow of a doubt that abortions based on sexual orientation would be a high proportion of abortions if a gay gene was found.
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And this is precisely why Zoltan’s joke is in *horribly *poor taste. It clearly does not treat gay people with respect and compassion, and it ought to be publicly repented of.
 
Prodigal_Son said:
Your tone often seems mocking to me, but I admit that I do not recall your overtly mocking them. Perhaps you don’t mean to come across the way you do.
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I believe I’ve only pointed out facts about homosexual behavior. I may have said something snotty to an individual person but only because they were doing the same with me. I have no hard feelings toward homosexuals. I know they have a cross to bear but so do each one of us. I don’t support or promote my sins as something natural and normal. Is pointing out the truth of homosexual behavior wrong? Am I going against Catholic teaching on this matter? The Church says homosexual **behavior **is evil. We can not accept their sin as something normal, good or beneficial.

You have practicing homosexuals on this thread actively trying to undermine Catholic teaching and promote their sin as something normal. Yet you come after me like I’m doing something wrong? :confused: Have you said anything at all to Thorolfr? He is attacking Church teaching, the word of God and the accuracy of the bible and you say nothing to him about this matter? Or have I missed it?
 
Catholic13 said:
I believe I’ve only pointed out facts about homosexual behavior. I may have said something snotty to an individual person but only because they were doing the same with me. I have no hard feelings toward homosexuals. I know they have a cross to bear but so do each one of us. I don’t support or promote my sins as something natural and normal. Is pointing out the truth of homosexual behavior wrong? Am I going against Catholic teaching on this matter? The Church says homosexual **behavior **is evil. We can not accept their sin as something normal, good or beneficial.

You have practicing homosexuals on this thread actively trying to undermine Catholic teaching and promote their sin as something normal. Yet you come after me like I’m doing something wrong? :confused: Have you said anything at all to Thorolfr? He is attacking Church teaching, the word of God and the accuracy of the bible and you say nothing to him about this matter? Or have I missed it?
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Well he is Lutheran not Catholic, so he is not going to live by Catholic teaching. I tried bringing up how it is condemned in the bible but he said that the bible might have errors in it. If he is going to say the bible could have errors in it I don’t even know how he is Christian, he might end up giving into apostasy if he goes down this road
 
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