How can people say homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

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Well he is Lutheran not Catholic, so he is not going to live by Catholic teaching. I tried bringing up how it is condemned in the bible but he said that the bible might have errors in it. If he is going to say the bible could have errors in it I don’t even know how he is Christian
I don’t think he said the Bible had errors; I think he said that the Lutheran Church allows a wide latitude on interpretations of the original Greek/Hebrew text, and that he believes the Biblical references of Lev 18:22, et. al. do not refer to homosexual relationships as they are present in today’s society.

Obviously the Church teaches differently, but you are correct in saying that he is Lutheran and thus does not submit to Church authority.
 
I don’t think he said the Bible had errors; I think he said that the Lutheran Church allows a wide latitude on interpretations of the original Greek/Hebrew text, and that he believes the Biblical references of Lev 18:22, et. al. do not refer to homosexual relationships as they are present in today’s society.

Obviously the Church teaches differently, but you are correct in saying that he is Lutheran and thus does not submit to Church authority.
Why not try and side with the Catholics here and stop fighting against us? Are we not all on the same side?
 
I don’t think he said the Bible had errors; I think he said that the Lutheran Church allows a wide latitude on interpretations of the original Greek/Hebrew text, and that he believes the Biblical references of Lev 18:22, et. al. do not refer to homosexual relationships as they are present in today’s society.

Obviously the Church teaches differently, but you are correct in saying that he is Lutheran and thus does not submit to Church authority.
If you go back he said something along the lines that he did not think the bible was infallible but Luther probably did.

No, he said the Lutheran church has something called “bound conscience” based on your individual interpretation of bible. The Lutheran church has no official teaching on homosexuality

(I think this was him too but I don’t quite remember:

He was also claiming that people in Sodom were straight but decided to engage in homosexual actions, so it was against there nature. and today people who are naturally homosexual are not going against their nature because they are naturally homosexual
 
I don’t think he said the Bible had errors;.
Wrong. He did say the bible had errors. He is trying to confuse and lead Catholics away from their faith. That is the sole reason he is a member on this board. He is constantly pushing the gay agenda.
 
I don’t think he said the Bible had errors; I think he said that the Lutheran Church allows a wide latitude on interpretations of the original Greek/Hebrew text, and that he believes the Biblical references of Lev 18:22, et. al. do not refer to homosexual relationships as they are present in today’s society.

Obviously the Church teaches differently, but you are correct in saying that he is Lutheran and thus does not submit to Church authority.
Generally I prefer, as you said, to have a wide latitude in interpretation of the original Greek/Hebrew text. But I also wouldn’t swear that everything in the Bible is inspired by God. For example, in Leviticus 25:44 it says:
44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. 45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property. 46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property.
Do I believe that God thought it was OK for people to have slaves and treat them like property and allowed them to be inherited like other property? I have a difficult time dealing with texts like this and believing that this is something that came from God. Certainly, no one now would think that owning other human beings like property is acceptable.
 
Generally I prefer, as you said, to have a wide latitude in interpretation of the original Greek/Hebrew text. But I also wouldn’t swear that everything in the Bible is inspired by God. For example, in Leviticus 25:44 it says:

Do I believe that God thought it was OK for people to have slaves and treat them like property and allowed them to be inherited like other property? I have a difficult time dealing with texts like this and believing that this is something that came from God. Certainly, no one now would think that owning other human beings like property is acceptable.
**Does God and the bible denounce homosexual activity? ** Yes or no.
 
Generally I prefer, as you said, to have a wide latitude in interpretation of the original Greek/Hebrew text. But I also wouldn’t swear that everything in the Bible is inspired by God. For example, in Leviticus 25:44 it says:

Do I believe that God thought it was OK for people to have slaves and treat them like property and allowed them to be inherited like other property? I have a difficult time dealing with texts like this and believing that this is something that came from God. Certainly, no one now would think that owning other human beings like property is acceptable.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=244087
 
Generally I prefer, as you said, to have a wide latitude in interpretation of the original Greek/Hebrew text. But I also wouldn’t swear that everything in the Bible is inspired by God. For example, in Leviticus 25:44 it says:

Do I believe that God thought it was OK for people to have slaves and treat them like property and allowed them to be inherited like other property? I have a difficult time dealing with texts like this and believing that this is something that came from God. Certainly, no one now would think that owning other human beings like property is acceptable.
Back then women were considered property.
 
Well he is Lutheran not Catholic, so he is not going to live by Catholic teaching. I tried bringing up how it is condemned in the bible but he said that the bible might have errors in it. If he is going to say the bible could have errors in it I don’t even know how he is Christian, he might end up giving into apostasy if he goes down this road
Interestingly, I asked Thor to comment on how it could be that Scripture provides not a single positive reference to the sexual union of a man and a man, or a woman and a woman, and he did not respond.

I guess we could conclude that he puts that down to an error of omission? But wouldn’t it be kind of a biggie? Surely it is the basis for a great deal of discomfort?
 
Why not try and side with the Catholics here and stop fighting against us? Are we not all on the same side?
It’s not a debating contest, each with an assigned “case” to put and win. SMGS made a perfectly valid point - it you think she erred, then point out the error as you see it.

You, I and SMGS are all Catholics. Must we parrot each other and supply 👍 at everything the other says? Or can we just have a logical discussion?
 
…The Lutheran church has no official teaching on homosexuality…
Just as an aside, how does one find out what the Lutheran Church teaches? Or the Anglican Church? Do they have a Catechism?
 
He was also claiming that people in Sodom were straight but decided to engage in homosexual actions, so it was against there nature. and today people who are naturally homosexual are not going against their nature because they are naturally homosexual
The mind boggles at this interpretation. The scripture writer knew the sexual inclination of these sinners separate from the evidence of the sexual sins they committed. Perhaps we are to understand they were bisexual (and somehow, the Scripture writer knew this…) 🤷
 
Wrong. He did say the bible had errors. He is trying to confuse and lead Catholics away from their faith. That is the sole reason he is a member on this board. He is constantly pushing the gay agenda.
Or maybe he is just saying what he thinks (whether it’s right or wrong). Why must you assert he has an evil motive? Just sayin’ 🤷
 
The mind boggles at this interpretation. The scripture writer knew the sexual inclination of these sinners separate from the evidence of the sexual sins they committed. Perhaps we are to understand they were bisexual (and somehow, the Scripture writer knew this…) 🤷
The problem is nobody back then saw it that way.
 
It’s not a debating contest, each with an assigned “case” to put and win. SMGS made a perfectly valid point - it you think she erred, then point out the error as you see it.

You, I and SMGS are all Catholics. Must we parrot each other and supply 👍 at everything the other says? Or can we just have a logical discussion?
She is very frequently arguing against the Catholics here. She said on another thread that the homosexuality in Sodom was one of the minor sins. Homosexuality is not a minor sin. When I ask her about a questionable comment she made …she never responds.
 
Just as an aside, how does one find out what the Lutheran Church teaches? Or the Anglican Church? Do they have a Catechism?
The main statements of Lutheran belief are in the Book of Concord which was published on June 25, 1580 in Dresden, the fiftieth anniversary of the presentation of the Augsburg Confession to Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Augsburg. It contains:

Preface (1579)
The Three Ecumenical creeds.
The Apostles’ Creed
The Nicene Creed
The Athanasian Creed
The Augsburg Confession of 1530
The Apology of the Augsburg Confession (1531)
The Smalcald Articles of Martin Luther (1537)
Treatise on the Power and Primacy of the Pope (1537)
The Small Catechism of Martin Luther (1529)
Luther’s Marriage Booklet (1529) and Baptism Booklet (1526) were included as part of the Small Catechism in a few of the 1580 editions of the German Book of Concord[13]
The Large Catechism of Martin Luther (1529)
Epitome of the Formula of Concord (1577)
The Solid or Thorough Declaration of the Formula of Concord (1577).
The Catalog of Testimonies was added as an appendix in most of the 1580 editions.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Concord
 
Or maybe he is just saying what he thinks (whether it’s right or wrong). Why must you assert he has an evil motive? Just sayin’ 🤷
I didn’t say he had an evil motive, you did. 😉
 
Generally I prefer, as you said, to have a wide latitude in interpretation of the original Greek/Hebrew text. But I also wouldn’t swear that everything in the Bible is inspired by God. For example, in Leviticus 25:44 it says:

Do I believe that God thought it was OK for people to have slaves and treat them like property and allowed them to be inherited like other property? I have a difficult time dealing with texts like this and believing that this is something that came from God. Certainly, no one now would think that owning other human beings like property is acceptable.
Of course it came from God. It is inspired scripture. If not the Church would not include in the bible.

Your misunderstanding of this and many other passages is because of your “wide latitude in interpretation”. You have no central authority to turn to and consequently you are left in the dark.

What you must understand, in this case, is that Leviticus is speaking to the Hebrews in the Old Testament. This and Mosaic Law do not apply to Christians because at that time there were no Christians.

“Render on to the people of the Old Testament that which is theirs and render on to Christians what is taught by the True Church.” – ZC
 
Of course it came from God. It is inspired scripture. If not the Church would not include in the bible.

Your misunderstanding of this and many other passages is because of your “wide latitude in interpretation”. You have no central authority to turn to and consequently you are left in the dark.

What you must understand, in this case, is that Leviticus is speaking to the Hebrews in the Old Testament. This and Mosaic Law do not apply to Christians because at that time there were no Christians.

“Render on to the people of the Old Testament that which is theirs and render on to Christians what is taught by the True Church.” – ZC
That still doesn’t change the fact that the Bible says that God proclaimed that slavery was OK at one time. If it was OK then, why not now? I thought that God doesn’t change.
 
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