How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic?

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The Cult of Trump has become a dangerous cult and people have become willing to take to the streets in armned militias to hunt down and kill anyone who dares to protest against their Fuehrer. He has become a false God and people literally believe that God Himself installed him as president and that Trump is the new Darius. I know laymen and Protestant pastors and ministers who believe this. I’ve been told that I am against Christ, hate Christ, because I oppose Trump. If this doesn’t sound like a cult, then people are blind. This Cult of Trump is an abomination and blasphemous and violates the First Commandment in worshipping false gods.
 
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Dude, you know it’s the other side of the aisle burning the country down right now, right?
 
I am in absolute agreement in your statement and I couldn’t have stated it better myself. Rest assured, you are not alone in you following your conscience, standing up for your beliefs, and not being bullied by those who pontificate that their views are the only legitimate Catholic views and that Catholics who don’t give into their inquisition are not true Catholics. There are many Catholics who agree with you, and are proud to call themselves Catholic Democrats and Catholics Against Trump.
 
I meant physically, as in white liberal democrats looking and burning down stores with BLM.
 
The Republican Party has abandoned it’s traditional conservative values. The Party of Eishenhower and Reagan is no more. The Republican Party has become the Party of Trump and are in lock-step in his agenda, s handful are not afraid to stand up to him, but the majority are deathly afraid to stand up for themselves. The once traditional and conservative Republican Party is no more, and has become extinct in Trump’s America.
 
What is “our culture”, and why is it “dead”? America has always been multicultural, and for the most part, been tolerant of most cultures, particularly now. America is becoming more diverse and multicultural and that is America’s strength and what truly makes America great. Unfortunately, there are a number of Americans who are reactionary and wants to return America to the pre-Civil Right’s era, and they are not afraid to attempt it in thoughts, words, and actions.
 
Bishops are not infallible and have no place in telling Catholic how to vote and for whom. Or for that matter, to tell Catholics what particular issue or issues are those issues that a Catholic must define how they should or must vote. That is undemocratic, small “d” and unAmerican.
 
Then they truly hate because they actively support policies and positions which disenfranchise African descended people and others of non-European descent. They knowingly support and benefit from White Supremacist ideology. They violate the two greatest commandments and thus endanger their immortal soul.
 
I agree! Rasoleil, I have a question. It’s a serious question. I’m on the verge of leaving the Catholic Church. It’s too binary, authoritarian, and autocratic. I didn’t grow up Catholic. I’m a convert. The longer I’m in the Catholic Church, the more I regret my conversion. I don’t like the feeling of being spiritually bullied. I should have studied more in depth the cultural, psychological, and sociological implications of becoming Catholic. I didn’t realize the Catholic Church doesn’t tolerate dissent or even the right of a person to leave and seek spiritual sustenance elsewhere. The idea that you’re damned if you leave the Catholic Church is abusive! I’ve heard it expressed on CAF and I don’t agree. I believe in freedom of choice in religion. Anyway, my original question is below. I posted this on a CAF discussion regarding recent comments about Joe Biden by Bishop Thomas Tobin

“It seems the concern of some Protestant leaders at the time of John F. Kennedy were correct. It appears that many Catholics believe that Church teaching should dominate any society in which Catholics reside. Are Catholics able to truly coexist peacefully in societies that tolerate a diversity of ideologies and worldviews? If a Catholic politician must necessarily consult his faith in all matters, he has cancelled his ability to reflect constituents that are not Catholic. Does the Catholic Church want to establish a theocracy in the United States and other countries”?

 
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It’s not rebellion. It’s a desire to exercise free will. I’m extremely unsettled in the Catholic Church because it seems to be guided more by the spirit of fear and not by trust in the Holy Spirit. God does not need us to protect his Church. He’s perfectly capable of being our Shepherd.
 
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God established a Church, but Catholicism is more than a " Church". It’s a system and culture. Using authority as a spiritual weapon to silence dissent is condemned by Jesus himself in dealing with the Pharisees.
 
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I agree! The RCIA program should state clearly that dissent, questioning, and challenging authority is not tolerated in the Catholic Church. I’m done.
 
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. I’m on the verge of leaving the Catholic Church.
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Please don’t let these current heated debates surrounding this election drive you out of the Catholic Church, to be the straw that breaks the camel’s back, as it were. You must know that there are conservative Catholics and progressive Catholics, and all of us have a home in the Church. Yes, there are outspoken conservative bishops like Bishop Tobin, but there are also more progressive bishops like Cardinal Cupich and Bishop McElroy, bishops who hold just as much authority in their diocese and in the Church. And our Holy Father Pope Francis gives those of us who hold more progressive views much reason to hope as well. It is possible to go too far one way or the other, but between the two extremes there is plenty of room for honest disagreement on how best to live and spread the Gospel message.

I leave you with a link to an article by Franciscan theologian Daniel Horan. I hesitate to repost it, since it appears in the National Catholic Reporter, and among many of the posters here on CAF, that is publication-non-grata. However, Father Horan makes some very good points, and I think they are worth considering. At least it will show you that there is room for legitimate discussion and debate in our Church, even (or especially) when election time comes around again. There is no need to feel bullied by our well-meaning or even manipulative fellow Catholics here.

 
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I should never have taken any oath, except to God. It’s a spiritual trap; one I clearly see in hindsight.
 
I wish it were simply just this election and the controversy surrounding Joe Biden vs. Donald Trump. It’s the whole culture of Catholicism. I didn’t have full knowledge when I converted. I should have researched the history of the Catholic Church, its relationship to temporal authorities, and most importantly the relationship between the magisterium and laity more in depth.
 
Well, please read the article by Father Horan, if possible, and I’m praying that it might help to restore your faith and hope in the Church. This particular forum has always strongly represented the conservative views and interpretations of our host, Catholic Answers, which is a privately held company and not an official organization of our Church, and I respect that for what it is. I’m even grateful that they tolerate “dissenting” views such as mine. However, in the broader Catholic Church there is ample room for a variety of opinions, as I said before, and many of us are moved to work within the Church to promote legitimate growth and change, even though prudence necessitates that change comes slowly, even when it is determined to be in accord with God’s will, as it must be in order to proceed, and there are always growing pains.
 
It is easy to be progressive - Chruch is in development. e.g. The notion what is or is not natural is according to the natural sciences. The understanding of human nature and sexuality goes with the development of psychology and anthropology and hence - the Church is developing its teaching as can be read in the Jesuit academic journal, in the article about truly human gay love and its consummation (which goes in much deeper than the genital complementarity):
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/004056390806900309
http://cdn.theologicalstudies.net/69/69.3/69.3.9.pdf

We will see how those intellectual development will transform in the the Church teaching. At least - Catholic academics, jesuits and higher clergy are aware of those developments and are thinking about them a lot.
 
But of course I’m referring to the development of doctrine, that deeper understanding of the deposit of faith, which can seem like something new when not properly understood.
 
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