How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic?

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can one be Catholic and vote for the Democratic party of today with all of it’s platform
Only one does not vote for a party. One votes for an individual who subscribes to all or part of the platform (if there is one) and has good chance or no chance of effectively legislating to affect the platform.

Saying “abortion bad, must always vote for Republican” has gotten us into the mess we’re in now.
 
One votes for an individual who subscribes to all or part of the platform
I agree. One also needs to realize that politician who goes against party platform that the majority of the party agree with has small chance of causing change.
We also need to look at what the supporters of each party are asking of their politicians…
Saying “abortion bad, must always vote for Republican”
What should we say, abortion no so bad, okay to vote democrat? Wrong.
has gotten us into the mess we’re in now.
not sure what mess you mean.
 
What should we say, abortion no so bad, okay to vote democrat? Wrong.
We should look at the candidates and evaluate everything.

As I’ve said many times here, since Roe we’ve had Democratic Presidents and we’ve had Republican Presidents. Abortion doesn’t go up and down based on who’s in the White House.

Abortion is steadily declining, due to young people not having sex as often, abortion being less accessible, and birth control becoming more accessible.

Tying Presidents to abortion is nebulous at best.
not sure what mess you mean.
Rioting in the streets, armed militia shooting people in the streets, people dying from a pandemic virus.
 
I see problems with your idea. First, I don’t think the cost of having a baby (the costs you are talking about covering) are a major concern when it comes to the decision of having an abortion…
Where are your statistics supporting that judgement? And what exactly do you mean by “major”? Will it end 50% of the abortions? Probably not. But then repealing Roe v. Wade probably won’t end very many abortions either. So there is that.
Remember that a substantial number of women who have abortions are covered by Medicaid
And a substantial number of them are not.
The main problem is that women are having sex when they are unwilling to have a baby, with men they do not want to currently have a baby with.
That is a problem. But I have seen no legislative proposal that addresses that problem either.
 
But then repealing Roe v. Wade probably won’t end very many abortions either.
I do think there should be more in the way of education along with the legislative efforts, but there were way fewer abortions than NARAL claimed before legalization, so I think prohibitions would probably work better than you think.
But I have seen no legislative proposal that addresses that problem either.
I can only imagine what would happen should a Republican propose legislation against pre- and extra-marital sex!
 
As I’ve said many times here, since Roe we’ve had Democratic Presidents and we’ve had Republican Presidents. Abortion doesn’t go up and down based on who’s in the White House.
I agree abortion has stayed legal through these years, though there have been Republicans who have banned some abortions while Democrats have pushed harder for more freedom.
young people not having sex as often,
I pray this is true. Hopefully there is a new sexual revolution happening that wipes out the previous one.
abortion being less accessible,
This is the result of the pro-life movement and the opening of pro life women’s care centers set up near abortion clinics and the result of many, many prayers from many many people and some Republican politicians
birth control becoming more accessible.
As a Catholic I can not support this nor support government officials forcing Catholics to provide contraceptives for their employees
 
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I do think there should be more in the way of education along with the legislative efforts, but there were way fewer abortions than NARAL claimed before legalization, so I think prohibitions would probably work better than you think.
Then how do you explain the steadily decreasing number of abortions after peaking in 1981, despite the fact that abortion remains legal? We are actually at pre-1973 levels right now.
I can only imagine what would happen should a Republican propose legislation against pre- and extra-marital sex!
…which makes the point that such legislation would not be a feasible solution. On the other hand, making childbirth a guaranteed service for all is a feasible solution. Some other nations have done it.
 
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Then how do you explain the steadily decreasing number of abortions after peaking in 1981, despite the fact that abortion remains legal? We are actually at pre-1973 levels right now.
The availability and the increase of contraceptives, morning after pills and the AIDs epidemic that started around 1981, that brought about the encouragement of protection during sex.

Also, there are some youth today that are rebelling against the pro choice generation of the past. They will probably someday be the generation that makes it illegal.

One more, much credit goes to the work of the pro-life movement’s work and prayers.
 
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Or maybe people are educated about safe sex, don’t feel pressured to procreate.
Yes, I did mention in my post the AIDS epidemic bringing about the use of protection or “safe sex” and the availability of contraception.
 
Pregnancy, childbirth, and neonatal care fully covered by all healthcare plans so that no family need worry about the expenses of bringing a child into the world.

Workplace accommodations for parents, including paid parental leave, flexible scheduling, and affordable child care available to as many families as possible.

No family forced to have two full-time incomes just to survive, and thus policies subsidizing child care by parents staying at home should be enacted.
That would be a good program provided it worked on the principle of subsidiarity. Not go right to the feds to get it through.
 
I agree abortion has stayed legal through these years, though there have been Republicans who have banned some abortions while Democrats have pushed harder for more freedom.
But, abortion keep going down. Not matter who is in the White House.
I pray this is true. Hopefully there is a new sexual revolution happening that wipes out the previous one.
I wouldn’t say it if it wasn’t true.

This is the result of the pro-life movement and the opening of pro life women’s care centers set up near abortion clinics and the result of many, many prayers from many many people and some Republican politicians
No, sorry. It’s the result of state legislators (for the most part) and some local governments enacting laws that restrict abortion, either through regulations on the clinics themselves or the doctors performing abortions.
As a Catholic I can not support this nor support government officials forcing Catholics to provide contraceptives for their employees
You don’t have to support it, just acknowledge that it’s true. Effective, widely-available brith control reduces the need for abortions.

We’re discussing why picking a President solely on their supposed pro life stance is flawed. The President doesn’t really have as much effect as current demographic trends and state/local legislators.
 
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I wouldn’t say it if it wasn’t true.
Don’t believe everything you read on the internet, though as I said I hope it is true and that it is for good moral reasons.
It’s the result of state legislators (for the most part) and some local governments enacting laws that restrict abortion, either through regulations on the clinics themselves or the doctors performing abortions.
To a point yes, legislators have helped but those laws come due to the push and encouragement of the pro life movement educating people on the horror of what happens during an abortion. Education helps. In my city the abortion mill closed because abortions decreased due to the women’s care center opening up next door providing sonograms, care, support and education…
just acknowledge that it’s true
Oh I agree it’s true. Mentioned it in a post myself.
Effective, widely-available brith control reduces the need for abortions.
Except that some birth control is abortifacient.
We’re discussing why picking a President solely on their supposed pro life stance is flawed.
No we are discussing if one can be Catholic and vote Democrat. There is much more the Democratic party has that goes against Catholic teaching than just abortion.
 
Also, there are some youth today that are rebelling against the pro choice generation of the past. They will probably someday be the generation that makes it illegal.
First they will change minds and hearts to reject abortion as a choice. Then making it illegal will be much easier.
 
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Don’t believe everything you read on the internet, though as I said I hope it is true and that it is for good moral reasons.
It’s well known, and has been for years. Documented in many polls.
No we are discussing if one can be Catholic and vote Democrat. There is much more the Democratic party has that goes against Catholic teaching than just abortion.
Since the Republicans don’t have a platform, and only go along with the Trumpists, theres a lot there to give a Catholic pause, too
 
We’re discussing why picking a President solely on their supposed pro life stance is flawed.
The church does not advocate voting for someone solely on the basis of his stance on abortion, but this is because there could be other disqualifying concerns. Not, however, because other issues rise to comparable importance.
The President doesn’t really have as much effect as current demographic trends and state/local legislators.
State legislators do play a significant role, but they can only act within the limits of federal law, and federal law is bounded by Supreme Court decisions (Roe, Casey…). The only way to finally address abortion and make it illegal is if those decisions are reversed, and the only way to do that is if the makeup of the court is sufficiently changed. And the only one who can do that is the president. Justice Ginsburg will almost surely leave the court and be replaced by the next president. Let’s not pretend that this does not represent a deadly threat to abortion “rights” - depending on which president nominates her replacement.
 
The only way to finally address abortion and make it illegal is if those decisions are reversed, and the only way to do that is if the makeup of the court is sufficiently changed. And the only one who can do that is the president.
Have you heard of a legal theory that would enable Roe to be overturned? I have not.

There would need to be a personhood amendment to the Constitution to outlaw abortion. That’s not going to happen.
Justice Ginsburg will almost surely leave the court and be replaced by the next president. Let’s not pretend that this does not represent a deadly threat to abortion “rights” - depending on which president nominates her replacement.
As I’ve said here before, I believe that the Court should not be packed by Justices of one political persuasion. The Court should hold opposing views in tension and the right answer to a question should bubble up based on sound jurisprudence.

Also, Justices are notorious for their independence and surprising court watchers with their rulings.
 
The church does not advocate voting for someone solely on the basis of his stance on abortion
Nor does the church advocate not voting for someone soley on the basis of his stance on abortion.
The only way to finally address abortion and make it illegal is if those decisions are reversed, and the only way to do that is if the makeup of the court is sufficiently changed.
That is one way, but not the only way. Another way is to convince women to chose life willingly. Threatening to throw them in jail is not the only way to do that, are arguable not even the best way. However if enough women are convinced to chose life willingly, it will be much easier to make it illegal and force the last remaining holdouts to comply. But when the number of holdouts is a large as it is now, some work on hearts and minds needs to happen first, or else it will be something like the alcohol prohibition era.
 
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I think there’s another facet to this election that has come to light more recently, one I think is also extremely important, and perhaps more so than abortion.

What would you think of a country where political violence is so widespread that just supporting one side is justification by the other side to execute you? What would you think if the leaders of the side refused to address that issue and acted as if it never happened?
 
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Then how do you explain the steadily decreasing number of abortions after peaking in 1981, despite the fact that abortion remains legal? We are actually at pre-1973 levels right now.
Improved and increased availability of ABC, and lately, young people… having less sex.
which makes the point that such legislation would not be a feasible solution. On the other hand, making childbirth a guaranteed service for all is a feasible solution. Some other nations have done it.
My point was that we already have this pretty widely, but people are still having abortions. Look at England: all free health care and they still have a high rate.
 
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