How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic?

[Polak]

Seriously?

Yes, seriously.

the death penalty, immigration, worker’s rights, right to healthcare, care for the poor, care for the environment, the universal destination of goods, income inequality,

I honestly don’t remember anyone on here strongly disagreeing with the Church on things such as care for the poor or income inequality. As for examples like right to healthcare or universal destination of goods, does the Church even have an official stance on that?

 

[TMC]

I honestly don’t remember anyone on here strongly disagreeing with the Church on things such as care for the poor or income inequality.

Then you are not on the same threads as I am.

As for examples like right to healthcare or universal destination of goods, does the Church even have an official stance on that?

YES. How can a Catholic not know this? The Church teaches that healthcare is a right. The Church INVENTED the term “Universal Destination of Goods” - and it is core and central to the Church’s teaching.

 

[Polak]

How can a Catholic not know this?

Dunno, you must be a better Catholic than me, but I think you might find many millions of Catholics who didn’t know this. So the Catholic Church has stated in writing that free healthcare is a right?

 

[TMC]

Dunno, you must be a better Catholic than me, but I think you might find many millions of Catholics who didn’t know this. So the Catholic Church has stated in writing that free healthcare is a right?

The Catholic Church has said healthcare is a right, like food. Like food, society can use various means to make sure everyone has what they need. It need not always and everywhere be “free,” but it must be available to all those who do need it. That is what the Church teaches, among other reasons, because it is an inescapable conclusion of the universal destination of goods.

 

[Polak]

Well as far as I’m aware, this ‘not always free’ healthcare is available to anyone who needs it. Are people on here arguing that it shouldn’t be?

 

[TMC]

Well as far as I’m aware, this ‘not always free’ healthcare is available to anyone who needs it. Are people on here arguing that it shouldn’t be?

1. No, it is not.
2. Yes, there are.

 

[Elf01]

A simple “yes, I deny pregnant women have any rights relevant to this issue.” would have sufficed to show I stated your position accurately.

Do you support lockdowns and mandatory mask wearing to combat COVID?

 

[YADA]

Having worked at three levels of government - county, state and federal plus the military and private sector, I disagree that there are better control or safe guards at federal level. Not sure what your experience is …I know it is not any better and probably less just due to the bbureaucracy involved …it a sad but it is a fact.

The county I worked for ran a business model.
High degreenof accountability and oversight, ditto for the private sector. The private sector is far more likely to dismiss a perpetrator immediately and not involve law enforcement. Government does not always involve law enforcement either but dismissal is complicated especially when the offender is union represented. But in addition to the Union there is the Labor relations board and appeals …

Large sums are sent to law enforcement but the federal offenders can exercise the Union, LRB and appeals as well …

 

[whatistrue]

Not sure what your experience is

Active duty Navy, Army National Guard, private sector, federal employee, and contractor for federal, state. local, and NGO entities for nearly 50 years. So not entirely unacquainted with the subject.

 

[Rau]

The repeated denials that such a right exists do not help advance opposition to abortion. The impression given is that prolife supporters live in a fantasy world, cut off from even discussing the central topics.

I think you have elevated a legal conclusion about what you may do without legal consequence to the lofty level of “right” - confusing it with moral considerations in the process.

 

[Polak]

1. No, it is not.
2. Yes, there are.

1. You’re right, on a world scale, healthcare might not be available to some people.
2. I have not seen anybody here arguing that some people should not have access to healthcare.

 

[TMC]

• You’re right, on a world scale, healthcare might not be available to some people.

In the US, right now, as we type these sentences, there are people without access to needed health care.

• I have not seen anybody here arguing that some people should not have access to healthcare.

I have, many many times. To be fair, that sentiment has calmed down some, perhaps because the Church has made its position so clear in recent years. One can only hope that means that minds are changing.

 

[Toledo]

How can you be Democratic and also be Catholic? Social Justice

So because we have so much capitalism, big government spending doesn’t work? Really, please explain No, it is because the technological developments. Every profit that is produced by robots, software or artificial intelligence (including all the intellectual property on data and algorithms and chemical formulas and genetic information) is being assigned to the owner of the robots, software and intellectual property - to the capital owners. The impact of human job is being diminished. There …

This would be extremely anti-Christian and anti-Catholic. The Church has never taught people should be given something free when they aren’t working (excluding sick, widows, kids, etc. which is charity).

“For also when we were with you, this we declared to you: that, if any man will not work, neither let him eat.” Douay-Rheims (2 Thessalonians 3:10)

This is what you propose.

As to you other point about declining birth rates, that is a function of man’s sinfulness. Poor people have been giving birth for thousands of years; however in this time, people are placing emphasis on material possessions, not God and the family. Vacations, fancy clothes, expensive cars and houses, advanced educations which do nothing to help support themselves, expensive hobbies, etc. This is society’s problem, not God’s nor the Church’s. It is all “ME, ME, ME! I AM THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE!!! I AM SO IMPORTANT!”

Nowhere do we see God and His Catholic Church. Nowhere is family life called out as the most important other than God.

 

[Polak]

In the US, right now, as we type these sentences, there are people without access to needed health care.

What do you mean, without access? What causes a person not to have access to healthcare in the US?

 

[TMC]

What do you mean, without access? What causes a person not to have access to healthcare in the US?

You are surely aware that there are people who have neither funds nor insurance for health care?

 

[TMC]

This would be extremely anti-Christian and anti-Catholic. The Church has never taught people should be given something free when they aren’t working (excluding sick, widows, kids, etc. which is charity).

Uh, no. That is not true. The Church actually teaches that the right to private property is limited by the needs of others, such that no person should own excess goods while others are in need.

 

[Polak]

You are surely aware that there are people who have neither funds nor insurance for health care?

Are you saying if somebody walks into a hospital in the US about to die, with no funds or health insurance, they’ll just watch them drop to the floor and die?

 

[Rau]

Are you saying if somebody walks into a hospital in the US about to die, with no funds or health insurance, they’ll just watch them drop to the floor and die?

So healthcare is available to those about to drop dead. Good to know.

 

[Polak]

Tbh I don’t fully know the US system works, but I’m pretty sure if somebody was in serious need, they won’t send them out because they don’t have enough money. Or would they?

 

[TMC]

Are you saying if somebody walks into a hospital in the US about to die, with no funds or health insurance, they’ll just watch them drop to the floor and die?

That is not health care. That is emergency care.

There is some (limited) emergency care available for pretty much everyone in the US. There is not a similar availability for health care. Americans die every day because they don’t have access to pretty basic health care. If you get hit by a bus you can get treated (until you are more or less stable). If you have high blood pressure, or kidney disease, you are probably on your own.