How could Mary be sinless when she herself proclaims God as her Saviour in Scripture?

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i know my brain can make mistakes and I can say things that don’t quite make since but the truth lies in the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Yes, we can all make mistakes in our understanding of Jesus’ teachings. This is why the bible instructs us not to fall into the error of self interpretation:

Acts 8:27-35 Saint Phillip asks the Ethiopian Eunuch, “Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?” and the
Eunuch answered, “How can I lest someone show me?”

2nd Peter 3:16-17 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.

2nd Peter 1:20-21 “Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.”

Being able to admit that you make mistakes in your understanding of the scriptures is a good step towards coming to know and accept the Truth.
 
Mary says, “I rejoice in God my Saviour”. If she was truly sinless as Catholicism teaches, she wouldn’t need a Saviour. Also too Paul tells us that ALL have fallen short of the grace of God. It looks to me that (of course) Scripture is consistent on this.
Because it’s God who made Mary sinless…why else?
 
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ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN

Gen. 5: 22-24 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methu’selah three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. [ASSUMED Body and Soul into Heaven].

2nd. Kings 2: 8-14 Then “Eli’jah took his mantle, and rolled it up, and struck the water, and the water was parted to the one side and to the other, till the two of them could go over on dry ground. When they had crossed, Eli’jah said to Eli’sha, “Ask what I shall do for you, before I am taken from you.” And Eli’sha said, “I pray you, let me inherit a double share of your spirit.” And he said, “You have asked a hard thing; yet, if you see me as I am being taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if you do not see me, it shall not be so.” And as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Eli’jah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Eli’sha saw it and he cried, “My father, my father! the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!” And he saw him no more."

Lets talk about this. these two profits were mentioned Mary wasn’t. Let point out that the sins of Adam brought the curse of death. Now you say these two prophets didn’t die but I say they are going to die.
Look at this scripture and tell me who think the Bible is referring to?
Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
If Mary had a been Assumed into Heaven then it would have said three witnesses. their was a reason that Enoch and Elisha were mentioned. it is because they were the only two prophets to ever have been assumed into Heaven. Mary faced the same curse that all men will face, death because we were born into sin. no matter how righteous one becomes the will still face death because we are all born into sin. Even the most righteous, Holy, Perfect, loving, man had to die but on that day that he was risen he gave us a second life, an eternal life, so that when we accept him as the Son of God when we die in the flesh we would still live with God. Their is a second Death and that is eternally separated from God or thrown into the pit of fire.
1Cr 15:55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”
1Cr 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cr 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Pro 30:5 "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Pro 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Deu 12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.
1Cr 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1Cr 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
 
Incorrect. That passage has to do with how man is endowed with free-will and intellect (the likeness) and the ability, with the acceptance of God’s grace, to be an ikon of God (the image). I’ve never heard it in any context about Mary or Jesus. God speaking in the plural (We and Us) is likely a manifestation of a linguistic phenomenon similar to the “royal we” (of course, we as Christians also see it as a hint of the existence of the Trinity).
mardela, he is correct. Not only that but you fail to understand the process of creation. The creation process continues, it did not go on ‘auto-pilot’. Man and woman do not multiply by themselves without any assistance from God. God is involved fully in the creation process at all times. God can create whenever he wants, and there is no rule that binds him to creating all humans the same. If you take notice in Genesis it says “and I will put enmity between you and the woman”, for the fall of man came about through a woman, and so God’s promise is that through another woman he would bring salvation into the world.

Though Jesus came into the world through the virgin Mary (which by the way, virginity is a sign of purity), He is not made from Mary’s flesh, because Jesus came first as John 1 plainly states, and all things were created through Him, and He is God.

So Mary was made through Jesus, and God has the power to create man and woman free of sin just as they were in the beginning. Nothing is impossible with God (Luke 1:37).

The proof of this is in Genesis: He created Adam and Eve without sin, for until they disobeyed they had not sinned against the Lord. And the proof is in the resurrection that God has such power to restore all things, and make man into a perfect being without sin.

So it follows logically that God can do whatever is necessary to ensure our salvation. If that involved creating ‘a new Eve’ free of sin, then it is not for us to say, “but that is not possible”.
 
=JonathonofOhio;8056483]Good point, but wouldn’t it be more correct to say that Jesus came BEFORE Mary as did he before all creation? I don’t think that Jesus took flesh from Mary, but that Mary was created through Jesus, the Word of God, making her come from Jesus similar to how Eve came from Adam. If we say he took flesh from Mary, then we are saying she was first and he was made from her, but the bible teaches us that Jesus was first born of all creation, begotten not made, that he was there in the beginning, and through him all things were made.
***Well thought out question. But it is profoundm and the answer too MUST BE profound and ***Sublime:)

It is a VERY seriously WRONG notion that Christ did not become man LIKE US in every way but sin.

***No other explaination for the time of His Vsitation is possible. ALL the factors of redeemption and salvation tie into this [IN GODS OWN UNDERSTANDING} being FACT.

READ THESE PASSAGES carefully and prayerfully my firend:**

Luke.1:34 to 35 "And Mary said to the angel, “How shall this be, since I have no husband?” And the angel said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy, the Son of God.

1Cor.15: 45
“Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit”. 1Cor.15: 22, 45 “For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.” CHRIST IS THE “NEW ADAM”.

It is a FACT that Mary WAS [as are all of us], Created BY God. [NOT THROUGH!]. But “Jesus” as the son of [by AND through Mary by and THROUGH a miracle of the Holy Spirt, did not come into existence until BIRTHED by MARY.

***The SON OF GOD: that we know as Jesus always was, is and always will be GOD first, and man with a complete and perfect HUMAN Nature LATER and secondly. ***

Matt.17: 9 "And as they were coming down the mountain, Jesus commanded them, “Tell no one the vision, until the Son of man is raised from the dead.” **John ****10: 30 “I and the Father are one.” **

***ONE GOD: One Perfect, com-plete and shared Divine Nature; Co-equal and Cco-Eternal…
Father, Son, [TWO Natures: both Complete; Both Perfect: God and true man; Holy Spirit.

NO the Bible and the CC DO NOT claim Mary and equality with God. BUT Mary is BY THE GRACE of God the MOST Perfect and Unique and IMPORTANT human person in the entire history of CREATION.**

No human person has loved God more; or more perfectly.And MARY DID EXIST PRIOE AND BEFORE THE HUMANITY / The Human Nature of Jesus took form. But Jesus as the SON of the Father has existed FROM ALL TIME. These are complemtary NOT contriditions.

I pray this aids your understanding?

***THE FACT THAT GOD DESIRES THAT WE KNOW HIM IN NO-WAY IMPLIES THAT HE WANTS US TO; OR EVEN THAT WE CAN UNDERSTAND HIS WAYS:***thumbsup:

Isa.55 Verses 8-9 " For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, says the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

We prudently call our practice of our BELIEFS… “FAITH” for this precise reason.

God Bless,
Pat**
 
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ASSUMED INTO HEAVEN

Gen. 5: 22-24 Enoch walked with God after the birth of Methu’selah three hundred years, and had other sons and daughters. Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him. [ASSUMED Body and Soul into Heaven].

2nd. Kings 2: 8-14 Then “Eli’jah took his mantle, and rolled it up, and struck the water, and the water was parted to the one side and to the other, till the two of them could go over on dry ground. When they had crossed, Eli’jah said to Eli’sha, “Ask what I shall do for you, before I am taken from you.” And Eli’sha said, “I pray you, let me inherit a double share of your spirit.” And he said, “You have asked a hard thing; yet, if you see me as I am being taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if you do not see me, it shall not be so.” And as they still went on and talked, behold, a chariot of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Eli’jah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Eli’sha saw it and he cried, “My father, my father! the chariots of Israel and its horsemen!” And he saw him no more."
Lets talk about this. these two profits were mentioned Mary wasn’t. Let point out that the sins of Adam brought the curse of death. Now you say these two prophets didn’t die but I say they are going to die.
Look at this scripture and tell me who think the Bible is referring to?
Rev 11:3 And I will give [power] unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred [and] threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
If Mary had a been Assumed into Heaven then it would have said three witnesses. their was a reason that Enoch and Elisha were mentioned. it is because they were the only two prophets to ever have been assumed into Heaven. Mary faced the same curse that all men will face, death because we were born into sin. no matter how righteous one becomes the will still face death because we are all born into sin. Even the most righteous, Holy, Perfect, loving, man had to die but on that day that he was risen he gave us a second life, an eternal life, so that when we accept him as the Son of God when we die in the flesh we would still live with God. Their is a second Death and that is eternally separated from God or thrown into the pit of fire.
1Cr 15:55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”
1Cr 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
1Cr 15:57 But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cr 15:58 Therefore, my dear brothers, stand firm. Let nothing move you. Always give yourselves fully to the work of the Lord, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
Gal 3:22 But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
Pro 30:5 "Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.
Pro 30:6 Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Deu 12:32 See that you do all I command you; do not add to it or take away from it.
1Cr 15:2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1Cr 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
I would advise that you look up the passages which Jonathan of Ohio has pointed out:
Acts 8:27-35 Saint Phillip asks the Ethiopian Eunuch, “Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?” and the
Eunuch answered, “How can I lest someone show me?”
2nd Peter 3:16-17 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.
2nd Peter 1:20-21 “Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.”
Your reading of the scriptures is highly idiosyncratic, to say the least. You should perhaps start looking for patristic commentaries on the Bible instead of trying to interpret the Bible to support your own version of Truth. We are not given the power to interpret scripture outside of the body of Christ. Only within the context of the Church can the true meaning of the scriptures be revealed.
 
mardela, and the other Protestants here. If you don’t already realize, Catholics and Orthodox (please correct me if I am wrong, I am not so well versed in Orthodox stuff) view Scripture a lot differently than you do.

Most Catholics here realize that for you, Scripture is all that is, and all that one needs. For us, it isn’t so. We used Scripture and Tradition. So if you ask where the Immaculate Conception is in the Bible, or the Assumption, or anything else, we will tell you that, Scripture implies it, and the rest is from Tradition. Both are equally important. Without Tradidtion, there would be no Bible. Without the Bible, we wouldn’t have the written Word of God.

If you really want to know the Catholic position, put yourself in our shoes of viewing Scripture and Tradidtion. Then things will make sense. You don’t have to agree, but please understand.

In Christ through Mary,
Nevermore
 
Good point, but wouldn’t it be more correct to say that Jesus came BEFORE Mary as did he before all creation? I don’t think that Jesus took flesh from Mary, but that Mary was created through Jesus, the Word of God, making her come from Jesus similar to how Eve came from Adam. If we say he took flesh from Mary, then we are saying she was first and he was made from her, but the bible teaches us that Jesus was first born of all creation, begotten not made, that he was there in the beginning, and through him all things were made.
Actually, yes, we must affirm that Christ was truly born of Mary’s womb. In Eastern Christianity, we call her Theotokos, the God-bearer. Many early Christian heresies centered around denying the full divinity or full humanity of Christ. By the Chalcedonian definition Jesus was both fully human and fully divine (and I believe that the miaphysite position is similar, although they prefer to say that Christ is in one hypostasis and one nature from two natures not one hypostasis in two natures). What you are saying would imply that Christ was not fully human. He had a human body and soul (and a human will), and Mary was the mother of that human body and soul in addition to being the vessel through which God the Son, in His full divinity, was born into the world via the incarnation.
 
Yes, we can all make mistakes in our understanding of Jesus’ teachings. This is why the bible instructs us not to fall into the error of self interpretation:

Acts 8:27-35 Saint Phillip asks the Ethiopian Eunuch, “Thinkest thou that thou understandest what thou readest?” and the
Eunuch answered, “How can I lest someone show me?”

2nd Peter 3:16-17 "As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.

2nd Peter 1:20-21 “Understanding this first: That no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.”

Being able to admit that you make mistakes in your understanding of the scriptures is a good step towards coming to know and accept the Truth.
Act 8:31 “How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
Act 8:35 Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus.
1Jo 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

You see we learn from the Bible specifically the teachings of Jesus Christ and if we don’t understand the words then we pray to Jesus for understanding. We can have someone explain to us but we still need to read the entirety of the Bible with an open mind.

Luk 9:26 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his glory and in the glory of the Father and of the holy angels
1Ti 5:21 I charge you, in the sight of God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels, to keep these instructions without partiality, and to do nothing out of favoritism.
 
The Bible wasn’t originally written in English, it was written in Greek. It was originally written by Catholics in the 1st centuries after Jesus established the Catholic Church & ascended into Heaven. If trust the Bible at all, you are actually trusting the Catholic Church who compiled & preserved & tirelessly translated the Bible for over a thousand years before the printing press was invented & it could finally be widely printed and affordable. If you want to know the real meaning of this authentically Catholic book, turn to the Catholic Church to explain it’s contents.
The problem is that none of this is true. The Bible wasn’t written by the Catholic church, that one is simply a no brainer. Secondly, the councils that were responsible for compiling the books of Scripture ultimately became part of the Eastern Orthodox church. You have no case here.
 
As i post comments i will lean more to scripture than my opinion, because for a fact the Holy Bible never says Mary was any of the following: Holy, Sinless, righteous, prophetess or the mother of God which is different than the Mother of Jesus the man . The truth is the bible. now you might say that Jesus is God But we all believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy spirit so that being said it is not written that she is the mother of God. Take a close look at these scriptures.
Jhn 8:32-Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
I really couldn’t ignore this.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus, who is God and Man. She is NOT the Mother of Jesus the man, but BOTH man AND God.
She is the Theotokos, the God-Bearer, the Mother of God.
This is a title given to Mary at the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D. This wasn’t on a whim, but came about to fight the heresy of Nestorious. This belief separated Christ into two natures. You stating that Mary is the mother of Jesus the man comes very close to this heresy.

Mary gave birth to a person (Jesus) not a nature (human). Christ cannot be separated into human and divine components. Both are united and inseparable - the hysoptic (sp?) union.

Calling Mary the Mother of God is simply stating that Mary held Jesus in her womb for 9 months, gave birth to him, raised him, loved him etc. She was the mother of the Son of God. She did not exist before God, but she did all of those things that a mother does.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the Mother of God.

In Chris through Mary,
Nevermore
 
Well, the short answer is the Catholic Church compiled and handwrote the first

Bible. You are wrong. The councils that put together the books of the canon ultimately became part of the Orthodox church.
 
mardela, he is correct. Not only that but you fail to understand the process of creation. The creation process continues, it did not go on ‘auto-pilot’. Man and woman do not multiply by themselves without any assistance from God. God is involved fully in the creation process at all times. God can create whenever he wants, and there is no rule that binds him to creating all humans the same. If you take notice in Genesis it says “and I will put enmity between you and the woman”, for the fall of man came about through a woman, and so God’s promise is that through another woman he would bring salvation into the world.

Though Jesus came into the world through the virgin Mary (which by the way, virginity is a sign of purity), He is not made from Mary’s flesh, because Jesus came first as John 1 plainly states, and all things were created through Him, and He is God.

So Mary was made through Jesus, and God has the power to create man and woman free of sin just as they were in the beginning. Nothing is impossible with God (Luke 1:37).

The proof of this is in Genesis: He created Adam and Eve without sin, for until they disobeyed they had not sinned against the Lord. And the proof is in the resurrection that God has such power to restore all things, and make man into a perfect being without sin.

So it follows logically that God can do whatever is necessary to ensure our salvation. If that involved creating ‘a new Eve’ free of sin, then it is not for us to say, “but that is not possible”.
it wasn’t through a woman that salvation came. It was Jesus Christ that salvation came.
It is important for you to read the Bible. Specifically the New testament, it never mentions a woman and salvation in the same scripture any where in the Bible. Stop reading other religious materiel, read just the Holy Bible.
 
I really couldn’t ignore this.

Mary is the Mother of Jesus, who is God and Man. She is NOT the Mother of Jesus the man, but BOTH man AND God.
She is the Theotokos, the God-Bearer, the Mother of God.
This is a title given to Mary at the Council of Ephesus in 431 A.D. This wasn’t on a whim, but came about to fight the heresy of Nestorious. This belief separated Christ into two natures. You stating that Mary is the mother of Jesus the man comes very close to this heresy.

Mary gave birth to a person (Jesus) not a nature (human). Christ cannot be separated into human and divine components. Both are united and inseparable - the hysoptic (sp?) union.

Calling Mary the Mother of God is simply stating that Mary held Jesus in her womb for 9 months, gave birth to him, raised him, loved him etc. She was the mother of the Son of God. She did not exist before God, but she did all of those things that a mother does.

Mary is the mother of Jesus.
Jesus is God.
Mary is the Mother of God.

In Chris through Mary,
Nevermore
Jesus BECAME INCARNATE of the virgin Mary. Mary did NOT create diety. Not possible.
 
Actually, yes, we must affirm that Christ was truly born of Mary’s womb. In Eastern Christianity, we call her Theotokos, the God-bearer. Many early Christian heresies centered around denying the full divinity or full humanity of Christ. By the Chalcedonian definition Jesus was both fully human and fully divine (and I believe that the miaphysite position is similar, although they prefer to say that Christ is in one hypostasis and one nature from two natures not one hypostasis in two natures). What you are saying would imply that Christ was not fully human. He had a human body and soul (and a human will), and Mary was the mother of that human body and soul in addition to being the vessel through which God the Son, in His full divinity, was born into the world via the incarnation.
Yes, I suppose you are right in saying that what I suggest would imply that, but on the converse suggesting Jesus was ‘made from Mary’s flesh’ also has it’s implications that it sounds like we are saying Mary came before Jesus. Like the mystery of the Trinity, this is something I guess we are just not able to fully understand.
 
Jesus BECAME INCARNATE of the virgin Mary. Mary did NOT create diety. Not possible.
Did you even read my post?

I never said that.
Calling Mary the Mother of God is simply stating that Mary held Jesus in her womb for 9 months, gave birth to him, raised him, loved him etc. She was the mother of the Son of God. She did not exist before God, but she did all of those things that a mother does.
See? Mary didn’t create God. She gave birth to Him! She was His mother!

If a woman has a child conceived in her womb with his egg, bore HIm for nine months, gave birth to Him, raised Him, nursed Him, loved Him, etc…
You call her a mother!
 
mardela, and the other Protestants here. If you don’t already realize, Catholics and Orthodox (please correct me if I am wrong, I am not so well versed in Orthodox stuff) view Scripture a lot differently than you do.

Most Catholics here realize that for you, Scripture is all that is, and all that one needs. For us, it isn’t so. We used Scripture and Tradition. So if you ask where the Immaculate Conception is in the Bible, or the Assumption, or anything else, we will tell you that, Scripture implies it, and the rest is from Tradition. Both are equally important. Without Tradidtion, there would be no Bible. Without the Bible, we wouldn’t have the written Word of God.

If you really want to know the Catholic position, put yourself in our shoes of viewing Scripture and Tradidtion. Then things will make sense. You don’t have to agree, but please understand.

In Christ through Mary,
Nevermore
the word tradition says alot.

Gal 3:1 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified.
Gal 3:2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by observing the law, or by believing what you heard?
Gal 3:3 Are you so foolish? After beginning with the Spirit, are you now trying to attain your goal by human effort?
Gal 3:4 Have you suffered so much for nothing–if it really was for nothing?
Gal 3:5 Does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you because you observe the law, or because you believe what you heard?
Col 2:18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions.
Col 2:19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
Col 2:20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules:
Col 2:21 “Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”?
Col 2:22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.
 
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