How could the universe and life come into existence without God? How could life evolve without God?

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No such thing as working towards an explanation, y
So, you have no explanation for the origin of amino acids. Science does have an explanation for the origin of amino acids, and has repeatedly supported that explanation in experiments.

You have no explanation at all. Science does. Science has amino acids; theology does not.
The question is, if nature has a way of sorting L-amino acids, why do we have R-amino acids?
Because that sorting did not happen everywhere, only in some places.
 
So, you have no explanation for the origin of amino acids. Science does have an explanation for the origin of amino acids, and has repeatedly supported that explanation in experiments.

You have no explanation at all. Science does. Science has amino acids; theology does not.
I have a detailed explanation of course but the OP is about life which you’ve admitted to not having an explanation of.
But first of all, the amino acid itself is the evidence of creation. It wasn’t there and now it is there, so it is created.
Because that sorting did not happen everywhere, only in some places.
Any evidence?
 
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Yes. Read the Noorduin paper and see under what conditions the experiment was performed. Anywhere those conditions did not apply will not have had the sorting process.
The experiment fails just like Miller-Uray experiment failed. Nature doesn’t sort because it doesn’t know or care.
 
The experiment fails just like Miller-Uray experiment failed. Nature doesn’t sort because it doesn’t know or care.
So, you do not accept science. Fine. You cannot even been bothered to spell Miller-Urey correctly.

You are not making a very good impression here.
 
So, you do not accept science. Fine. You cannot even been bothered to spell Miller- Urey correctly.

You are not making a very good impression here.
I accept any reasonable explanation from all disciplines and faiths even Buddhism.
I don’t accept illogical explanations from all disciplines (Science) and faiths (Christianity included)

Abiogenesis and Evolution might be the best explanation you have but they are unreasonable thus far.
 
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Abiogenesis and Evolution might be the best explanation you have but they are unreasonable thus far.
Abiogenesis is still a work in progress. Evolution has been observed, and rejecting it puts you in the same category as Flat Earthers and the 6,000 year old earth YECs.
 
Abiogenesis is still a work in progress
No such thing as work in progress, we either know or we don’t. Work in progress is an admission that you don’t know which should come out clearly, why are you afraid of saying it?
Evolution has been observed,
Nope. Speciation through mutations and natural selection has not been observed nor demonstrated.
 
Nope. Speciation through mutations and natural selection has not been observed nor demonstrated.
Speciation has been observed for the last 115 years, ever since de Vries (1905). Your sources are lying to your again. Merely repeating their lies do not make them true.
 
Speciation has been observed for the last 115 years, ever since de Vries (1905). Your sources are lying to your again. Merely repeating their lies do not make them true.
I think you mean ‘species have been observed since…’, speciation through mutations is an imagination so far. The idea has been proven to be false, not workable.
 
I think you mean ‘species have been observed since…’,
You think wrongly. Speciation has been observed. Your unwillingness to accept what you do not want to see is very obvious. Your personal opinion does not affect scientific reality.
 
You think wrongly. Speciation has been observed. Your unwillingness to accept what you do not want to see is very obvious. Your personal opinion does not affect scientific reality.
It is simply amazing how strongly some people want to deny reality. 🙂 But then again, if reality contradicts their belief, it is just too bad for reality. 😉
 
You think wrongly. Speciation has been observed. Your unwillingness to accept what you do not want to see is very obvious. Your personal opinion does not affect scientific reality.
It would be good if you expound. Thanks.
 
I have already expounded on this thread. You have ignored my exposition once. Why should I waste my time repeating it?

If you want evidence for speciation have a look at:
Just what i thought, speciation through artificial selection and human interference, not the small incremental variations caused by mutations, aided by natural selection which is the hallmark of evolution. Non gives examples of how the mutation was beneficial at each step and how the environment aided the speciation at each step.
One thing you need to understand, beneficial mutation is not observable and therefore speciation through such is not observable.
 
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Catholics ought to simply accept mainstream science. Science is not faith folks. You can accept generally scientific discovery without threat to your Christian faith (at least Catholics can…can’t speak for other denominations)
 
Non gives examples of how the mutation was beneficial at each step and how the environment aided the speciation at each step.
Another obvious error. Mutations may be beneficial or neutral during speciation. See Kimura (1968).

I won’t bother asking you for the details of each step God used to create new species because obviously you have nothing to show. Care to prove me wrong?
 
Catholics ought to simply accept mainstream science.
I started this thread by asking how could the universe and life come into existence without God. After a thousand replies, I don’t think science has convincing evidence to show this.

There are certainly arguments and beliefs how the universe might happen without God, but you have to want to believe them in the first place. If the proof was convincing, I would abandon my belief in God.
 
A: COULDN’T and didn’t.

B: Doesn’t (to the second power).

But I’m interested to learn.

Showing me:
  • nothing(s) becoming somethings on their own steam … and
  • developing mindblowing capacities to evolve and mutate without any discernable consciousness
  • or intelligent design … would be a good start.
😏 but I … don’t think you can do it. < He said to no one in particular.
 
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Showing me:
  • nothing(s) becoming somethings on their own steam
I’ll do my best to demonstrate. First I’ll need you to find some nothing(s) for us to do some experiments on. Kindly update me when you have the nothing(s).
 
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