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Havard
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As Clinias basically said, Clinias speaks for Clinias.
It takes a while to get a handle on “what Catholics are thinking”, as it’s not going to be found with one individual.
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It takes a while to get a handle on “what Catholics are thinking”, as it’s not going to be found with one individual.
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Pat_M
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Overall, homosexuality is frowned upon in non-Christian cultures as well. Buddhist culture, Muslim culture, and the atheist culture of communism all basically find homosexuality a major turn-off. Judaism itself, which you keep mentioning, has itself been historically very “anti-gay”. So there is not just one source of “virtually all bigotry against homosexuals”. Too many homosexuals think this, and they become bigots themselves, against the “one source” they imagine to be the source of all their problems. But their problems are intrinsic to homosexuality itself.
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gypsierose
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I agree completely with this
Civil marriage is a complete mess all over. Its up to the church to hold up the light, but should stay out of the civil debate.
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Clinias
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People don’t realize what is going on:
One member of the Frankfurt School was Abraham Maslow, who as a youngster thought himself “in the struggle to overcome such acts of racism and ethnic prejudice in the attempt to establish an idealistic world based on widespread education and monetary justice .” He wrote that,
Herbert Marcuse’s book Eros and Civilization was read in many college classrooms.
homosexual.com openly and clearly states that LGBT studies were started in the California University system, first in Berkley and then in San Francisco, by the Frankfurt School:
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Studies (LGBT) has become a growing academic discipline at leading universities across the U. S., and its evolution has been closely correlated with more acceptance of people with various sexual orientations. The first LGBT study program was centered upon the social critical theory (developed by the Frankfurt School), which had been previously used within other social studies. This allowed LGBT studies to became part of all the other social study fields such as critical race studies, women’s studies and so on. The first school to introduce courses in such a program, in the spring of 1970, was the University of California, Berkeley. It was followed by the City University of San Francisco, which introduced it as a full program in 1989. (ibid)
The Frankfurt School has a professional name, The Institute of Social Research. These Institutes are found on every major college and university campus. Just like Russian military units all had a political commissar, universities have their political commissars in the Institutes of Social Research. It is about propagating and maintaining Critical Theory which is Cultural Marxism. Our tax dollars are being used to undermine our own society.
And now the evil is magnified so much that anti-discrimination laws are being passed to protect homosexuality and in essence criminalizing Christians. Christians can no longer act on the dictates of their religion.
The Natural Law is Like produces Like. As the character of man is growing more evil, the majority are attracted to evil. Like produces Like. 60 million Catholics in America, 5 Catholics sitting on the Supreme Court and you know what? Most Catholic universities and colleges teach Liberation Theology and all of them teach political correctness.
The question is “Has the Salt left the Catholic Church?”
The other question is ---- Who is running and dictating our Culture here in America? It certainly ISN’T Christians! See—this is where you get with the “tolerance and Diversity” BS.
One member of the Frankfurt School was Abraham Maslow, who as a youngster thought himself “in the struggle to overcome such acts of racism and ethnic prejudice in the attempt to establish an idealistic world based on widespread education and monetary justice .” He wrote that,
‘… the next step in personal evolution is a transcendence of both masculinity and femininity to general humanness.’
In other words unisexism where there is no gender. The Frankfurt School was about mixing Freud’s idea of pansexualism into Marxism in order to destroy the family unit. [8d] Another member of the Frankfurt School was Herbert Marcuse who directly advocated homosexuality as "…the radical standard bearer of sex for the sake of pleasure, a form of radical hedonism that repudiates those forms of repressive sexuality organized around genital heterosexuality and biological reproduction. “Against a society which employs sexuality as a means for a useful end,” Marcuse argued, “the perversions uphold sexuality as an end itself…and challenge its very foundations”. (from my paper Normalizing Homosexuality)
In other words unisexism where there is no gender. The Frankfurt School was about mixing Freud’s idea of pansexualism into Marxism in order to destroy the family unit. [8d] Another member of the Frankfurt School was Herbert Marcuse who directly advocated homosexuality as "…the radical standard bearer of sex for the sake of pleasure, a form of radical hedonism that repudiates those forms of repressive sexuality organized around genital heterosexuality and biological reproduction. “Against a society which employs sexuality as a means for a useful end,” Marcuse argued, “the perversions uphold sexuality as an end itself…and challenge its very foundations”. (from my paper Normalizing Homosexuality)
Herbert Marcuse’s book Eros and Civilization was read in many college classrooms.
homosexual.com openly and clearly states that LGBT studies were started in the California University system, first in Berkley and then in San Francisco, by the Frankfurt School:
Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Studies (LGBT) has become a growing academic discipline at leading universities across the U. S., and its evolution has been closely correlated with more acceptance of people with various sexual orientations. The first LGBT study program was centered upon the social critical theory (developed by the Frankfurt School), which had been previously used within other social studies. This allowed LGBT studies to became part of all the other social study fields such as critical race studies, women’s studies and so on. The first school to introduce courses in such a program, in the spring of 1970, was the University of California, Berkeley. It was followed by the City University of San Francisco, which introduced it as a full program in 1989. (ibid)
The Frankfurt School has a professional name, The Institute of Social Research. These Institutes are found on every major college and university campus. Just like Russian military units all had a political commissar, universities have their political commissars in the Institutes of Social Research. It is about propagating and maintaining Critical Theory which is Cultural Marxism. Our tax dollars are being used to undermine our own society.
And now the evil is magnified so much that anti-discrimination laws are being passed to protect homosexuality and in essence criminalizing Christians. Christians can no longer act on the dictates of their religion.
The Natural Law is Like produces Like. As the character of man is growing more evil, the majority are attracted to evil. Like produces Like. 60 million Catholics in America, 5 Catholics sitting on the Supreme Court and you know what? Most Catholic universities and colleges teach Liberation Theology and all of them teach political correctness.
The question is “Has the Salt left the Catholic Church?”
The other question is ---- Who is running and dictating our Culture here in America? It certainly ISN’T Christians! See—this is where you get with the “tolerance and Diversity” BS.
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Jeanne_S
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Destroying the “family” as intended by God is the goal,this the unravelling of society.This is evil and those who cry that we who hold fast to the traditional family are in fact bigots and hateful,intolerant,will rue the day that this all comes to fruition.
Lord Jesus,only Begotten Son of God…have mercy on the world.
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Personanongrata
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It doesn’t matter, because I still disagree.
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Clinias
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Jeane S. writes:
The city of Battle Creek has three Catholic parishes. The bishop of Kalamazoo is a 30 minute drive. When the city of Battle Creek was in the process of presenting and adopting the anti-discrimination ordinance for Homosexuals, I was the only person to speak out at the council meetings. Later I was joined by only ONE protestant. No priest showed up. No priest galvanized his congregation to show up and protest. No Bishop showed up. There was even one Catholic that I knew on the city commission and I suspected one more. They both voted for the pro-homosexual ordinance.
When is the Last time a Bishop went to his congregations to explain the effects of the Frankfurt School in our culture? When is the last time any priest or bishop confronted Colleges and Universities that have these Institutes of Social Research? When is there going to be counter education and were are our leaders to inspire us with resistance and to preach Truth.
We are to ask mercy from Christ?
All I see is Losers. Three Catholic Parishes, and there was NO effort, Nor planned coordinated effort, none whatsoever. So who are we to blame? Do these people deserve mercy—or condemnation?
I believe that her last line needs to be expanded to “Lord Jesus, …Have mercy on Catholics and Catholic clergy”.
The city of Battle Creek has three Catholic parishes. The bishop of Kalamazoo is a 30 minute drive. When the city of Battle Creek was in the process of presenting and adopting the anti-discrimination ordinance for Homosexuals, I was the only person to speak out at the council meetings. Later I was joined by only ONE protestant. No priest showed up. No priest galvanized his congregation to show up and protest. No Bishop showed up. There was even one Catholic that I knew on the city commission and I suspected one more. They both voted for the pro-homosexual ordinance.
When is the Last time a Bishop went to his congregations to explain the effects of the Frankfurt School in our culture? When is the last time any priest or bishop confronted Colleges and Universities that have these Institutes of Social Research? When is there going to be counter education and were are our leaders to inspire us with resistance and to preach Truth.
We are to ask mercy from Christ?
All I see is Losers. Three Catholic Parishes, and there was NO effort, Nor planned coordinated effort, none whatsoever. So who are we to blame? Do these people deserve mercy—or condemnation?
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Nihilist
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My honest answer is this- I get angry. I look in my heart- and see I don’t like those people- upper middle class sc*m, wearing their designer silk clothes and talking about culture like rich people. Not politically correct… I know. Any more than I like Israel slaughtering the innocent Palestinians… Or secular Jews promoting ‘tolerance’ and capitalism.Shalom!
I would just like to know how some of you felt when you found out same sex marriage (“SSM”) was legal.It could be any situation: in your state, when Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional etc.
If you were/are against legalized civil SSM did you experience any sort of “facepalm reaction”? Imagine you really wanted a certain president to win and he/she did not. Was your reaction to SSM being legalized similar to that if that president didn’t win? Was like facepalm “oh no!!!”?
I’m just trying to get a sense of how people FELT/FEEL.
As for me: I was happy, but more like happy for others because I myself am a heterosexual man.
As for my beliefs, they, like for lots of Jews (even “religious” ones), fluid:
Here’s a starting point:
myjewishlearning.com/life/Sex_and_Sexuality.shtml
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Havard
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It most certainly does matter.
You may be entitled to agree or disagree with what the Church teaches, but publicly misrepresenting official Church teaching as a “personal opinion” may mislead anyone reading your post. Whether readers choose to agree or disagree with your opinions, they are entitled to a true and complete understanding of both sides.
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rinnie
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It makes no difference to me. It changes nothing. The RCC never taught this, nor teaches this now. As long as the RCC continues to teach the truth that is all that I care about.Shalom!
I would just like to know how some of you felt when you found out same sex marriage (“SSM”) was legal.It could be any situation: in your state, when Prop 8 was ruled unconstitutional etc.
If you were/are against legalized civil SSM did you experience any sort of “facepalm reaction”? Imagine you really wanted a certain president to win and he/she did not. Was your reaction to SSM being legalized similar to that if that president didn’t win? Was like facepalm “oh no!!!”?
I’m just trying to get a sense of how people FELT/FEEL.
As for me: I was happy, but more like happy for others because I myself am a heterosexual man.
As for my beliefs, they, like for lots of Jews (even “religious” ones), fluid:
Here’s a starting point:
myjewishlearning.com/life/Sex_and_Sexuality.shtml
I do feel sorry for Protestants who know that it is wrong, and their Church is now letting this happen. This is a horrible burden put on them.
Sin is wrong, no matter what someone in the government says. It is no different then legalizing abortion, etc. making someone legal by no means makes it right.
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HDLSeanWileyTin
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the only reason there’s violence against gays isn’t because they legalized same sex marriage. you all need to realize that homosexuals believe they can get married and therefore should be allowed to. our prohibition of same sex marriage hasn’t worked. it’s denied gays to be able to enjoy the same marital benefits that straights have, and it’s forced gays to be kept in the closet because they fear being told that their gayness is some sort of “disorder” when it’s not. how would you like being told the way YOU see the world is “disordered”? a lot of people are saying the catholic way of thinking is “disordered” and needs therapy because we for a long time have called gays “disordered” and that they need therapy. we’re getting what we deserve.
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HDLSeanWileyTin
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what makes it even more sickening to me is that you believe government should define marriage at all. you think the gay laws will “destroy” the family, yet you believe in excluding others from having the same marital benefits straights have. how fair is that? and don’t tell me you “have to do it”, because no one has to exclude anyone like that. gay marriage has shown not to have a negative effect on the family. in fact, most heterosexual couples aren’t doing good with kids right now. what do you want these kids to do? not have parents at all? it’s time to start giving these kids to LGBT couples.
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HDLSeanWileyTin
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by prohibiting LGBTs from getting married, you’re keeping your chances of having a family while destroying THEIRS.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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Yes, it is true that the Catholic Church refers to homosexual behavior as disordered.
But it is disordered because it is not natural…not just because the Church says so.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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If I remember correctly it was the gay community that brought cases to court demanding a re-definition of marriage.
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HDLSeanWileyTin
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maybe to you it isn’t natural, but to homosexuals, it is, so you need to give them the right to be able to live their lives as they see it. marriage is one of those things.
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Zoltan_Cobalt
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To nature itself…homosexual behavior is unnatural
It is not for me to grant rights to anyone.
In this country individual rights are protected by the Constitution. However the Constitution makes no mention of the “right of same sex couples to marry”. In fact it does not address the issue of marriage at all. What you want is the creation of a new right.
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HDLSeanWileyTin
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but that’s your view of nature. it isn’t someone else’s.
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HDLSeanWileyTin
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it may not explicitly say that, but it does say that “all men are created equal” and that should be enough.
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HDLSeanWileyTin
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if nature to them says that it’s ok to marry someone of the same sex, let them i say. government shouldn’t define marriage at all because when it decides marriage is between a man and a woman, it makes gays feel left out. it makes polygamists feel left out. and it’s all despite the fact they view marriage the way they do. can’t they practice it the way they want to without government getting involved?
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