How do Catholics explain 1 Timothy 2:5 and Hebrews 7:26?

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The point is that it did arise, people were led astray, and they had to be put back on course… which error was the selfsame error which occurred in Galatia: legalism, through the Judaizers, to which Paul comments (about the Judaizers making everyone receive circumcision)"
“I wish they would even mutilate themselves.”
and that the purpose of Judaizing is “so that they may boast in your flesh” meaning that is was a work of the flesh; not of the Spirit; therefore, Peter was not in the Spirit, but rather in the flesh, and was condemned as such:
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” Romans 8:1
Don’t downplay the truth; accept it with humility…
 
Sailka said:
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                                                                                            Good one!  Quize!  Where does God say Truth  (on Earth)   is?   5 minute open book  quizze.                                                     Times UP.     Lord says Truth is in the Church/Apostles.  :   1 Tim 3:15.          
                                                                                         Who are the Apostles with power to decide Truth today?   The Thousands of Catholic Bishops,  aka  the Magesterium.     Chief  Bishop of Rome  can Not make   Formal Morality   Mistake:   Matt  16:  about   18:  'What you bind/lose on earth, is bound/losed in Heaven'       Been working   2,000  Years, Thank You Lord.     

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The church is the pillar and support of the truth. The church is not the truth itself; the Spirit which God has given to her is the Spirit of Truth, which, if we are led by the Spirit of Truth, will lead us into the Truth, which at times involves being corrected, as you have seen in Scripture. The church is not the truth; if this were so, there could never be a falling away. The congregation of God is not the truth; God in her midst is the truth:
“Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.” Rev 2:5
The candlestick that was put in her is the Spirit of grace in her midst, whereby she has her gift of faith… but the Galatians had fallen from grace meaning they were not walking in the grace of faith, but by works… meaning they were not walking in the truth, but were implicated as liars against the truth which was within them.
Saying that the church is the truth is like saying the pitcher which holds the water is water.

“But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.” 2 Corinthians 4:7
 
dan1el said:
The point is that it did arise, people were led astray, and they had to be put back on course… which error was the selfsame error which occurred in Galatia: legalism, through the Judaizers, to which Paul comments (about them waning to make everyone receive circumcision)"
“I wish they would even mutilate themselves.”
and that the purpose of Judaizing is “so that they may boast in your flesh” meaning that is was a work of the flesh; not of the Spirit; therefore, Peter was not in the Spirit, but rather in the flesh, and was condemned as such:
“There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” Romans 8:1
Don’t downplay the truth; accept it with humility…
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Nope, wasn'r Error.  Christianity was   fulfillment of OT   Prophecies of the Savior.  The first Christians were confused about what practices to follow in New   Church, old Jewish Circumcise law?  Nope.   First Councils of Church  decided No human sacrifice, or cuting Flesh,  and to  Annoint Mathew as the Apostle to replace Judas.   Same process Today!, in examining   Bishop  candidates,  annointing by  laying on of hands

                                                                                           Live in Jesus           :yawn:     Tony
 
adstrinity said:
You cannot see the connection between what the poster said and the quote given, but, you agree with what they are saying and you agree with what they are saying

COMPARED TO

The Catholic posters on here have made statements, backed it up with Scripture, but, not only do you disagree, but, they explain it more, and you STILL don’t understand.

You are so preconcieved in yourself that you don’t even have to understand other people to believe they are right as long as they are arguing against the Catholic Church.
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What that person said is that God sent Jesus to us, then Jesus sent us to the world. So we bring people to the feet of Jesus.
Then he wrote the text that speaks of abiding in Jesus and Him abiding in us.
What I didn’t understand is how he connects first with the last, but the texts are in scripture.
How can I contradict that? There’s no interpretation, however he wrote this in answer to my statement about the mediation of Jesus in our behalf. And I further clarified what I meant about being a Mediator.

And btw, I didn’t know the person who wrote that wasn’t a Catholic. I thought he was arguing regarding the statement that I posted previously, so I answered to him explaining what the Mediation means.

I think the person with the preconceived idea that I’m in alliance with whoever argues against the Catholic church its you. If you knew what adventism teaches, you’d know that we consider the vast majority of denominations followers of the Catholic church to a certain degree. And we too call them daughter churches of the RCC, but that’s for a different topic. I just thought I should let you know. And you can see that because the person of whom you talk argues against some of my points too.

I’m in alliance to no man, for “cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm”, I follow the Word of God and His Words only, I follow no man.

God is not on my side, I’m on God’s side.
My words don’t tell God, God’s Word tells me.
 
dan1el said:
That IF Peter wasn’t a humble person… which by the grace of God, he had humility to receive correction…

stop trying to save face, truth is anti-egoic:

The problem had already begun, and he was already to be condemned, people less learned and established in the WORD OF GOD, like Paul, were being carried away with the deception which satan worked through the Judaizers.
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Bonkers… Christ PRAYED for Peter, that is, in case you missed it, GOD prayed for Peter.

…Unless, from your very strange post both Paul and Peter were both decieved by satan away from whatever the truth was…

…which is lost now…
 
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                                                                                                                                                                                          Nope, wasn'r Error.  Christianity was   fulfillment of OT   Prophecies of the Sabior.  The first Christians were confused about what practices to follow in New   Church, Old Jewish Circumcise law?  Nope.   First Councils of Church  decided No human sacrifice, or cuting Flesh,  and to  Annoint Mathew as the Apostle to replace Judas.   Same process Today!, in examining   Bishop  candidates,  annointing by  laying on of hands

                                                                                           Live in Jesus           :yawn:     Tony
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Oh, um, thanks for correcting the Lord on that one, Tony, because I always thought hypocrisy was a sin that could even lead to damnation:
"The rest of the Jews joined him (Peter) in hypocrisy, with the result that even Barnabas was carried away by their hypocrisy. " Galatians 2:13

“the master of that slave will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour which he does not know, and will cut him in pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 24:50, 51

Phew, thank God for you, Tony, the Lord almost had me with that teaching against hypocrisy of His! ((hug))
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adstrinity said:
You cannot see the connection between what the poster said and the quote given, but, you agree with what they are saying and you agree with what they are saying

COMPARED TO

The Catholic posters on here have made statements, backed it up with Scripture, but, not only do you disagree, but, they explain it more, and you STILL don’t understand.

You are so preconcieved in yourself that you don’t even have to understand other people to believe they are right as long as they are arguing against the Catholic Church.
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:tsktsk: Please don't knock, judge, bash any one, esp Different beliefs visitors. "Judge Ye Not," ' lest Ye judged by THE Judge into couple extra years in the Purging place. :) 2 Machabees and Corr. ' /LIST] Tony :tsktsk: :tiphat:
 
Thing said:
Bonkers… Christ PRAYED for Peter, that is, in case you missed it, GOD prayed for Peter.

…Unless, from your very strange post both Paul and Peter were both decieved by satan away from whatever the truth was…

…which is lost now…
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What I meant was that there were people who were not established in the WORD OF GOD (since the importance of the Word is one of the points we are discussing) like Paul was – meaning, Paul was established in the Word of God, and there were some who were led astray, not being as established in the Word of God as would’ve been necessary to stave it off - as Paul was (established). LOL!
 
dan1el said:
What I meant was that there were people who were not established in the WORD OF GOD (since the importance of the Word is one of the points we are discussing) like Paul was – meaning, Paul was established in the Word of God, and there were some who were led astray, not being as established in the Word of God as would’ve been necessary to stave it off - as Paul was (established). LOL!
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Well I guess I’ll have to walk over to your place and spend a couple of weeks learnng the truth from you!
 
Arglaze said:
What that person said is that God sent Jesus to us, then Jesus sent us to the world. So we bring people to the feet of Jesus.
Then he wrote the text that speaks of abiding in Jesus and Him abiding in us.
What I didn’t understand is how he connects first with the last, but the texts are in scripture.
How can I contradict that? There’s no interpretation, however he wrote this in answer to my statement about the mediation of Jesus in our behalf. And I further clarified what I meant about being a Mediator.

And btw, I didn’t know the person who wrote that wasn’t a Catholic. I thought he was arguing regarding the statement that I posted previously, so I answered to him explaining what the Mediation means.

I think the person with the preconceived idea that I’m in alliance with whoever argues against the Catholic church its you. If you knew what adventism teaches, you’d know that we consider the vast majority of denominations followers of the Catholic church to a certain degree. And we too call them daughter churches of the RCC, but that’s for a different topic. I just thought I should let you know. And you can see that because the person of whom you talk argues against some of my points too.

I’m in alliance to no man, for “cursed be the man that trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm”, I follow the Word of God and His Words only, I follow no man.

God is not on my side, I’m on God’s side.
My words don’t tell God, God’s Word tells me.
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Sailka said:
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:tsktsk: Please don’t knock, judge, bash any one, esp Different beliefs visitors. “Judge Ye Not,” ’ lest Ye judged by THE Judge into couple extra years in the Purging place. 🙂 2 Machabees and Corr. ’ /LIST]Tony :tsktsk: :tiphat:
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Wasn’t judging. Was pointing out. A la Rush Limbaugh.
 
WELCOME TO WORLD WRESTLING OF DOGMA

IN THIS CORNER>>>EQUIPED WITH THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT AND DEVOUT FAITH…A CATHOLIC
AND IN THIS CORNER<<<<<EQUIPED WITH ANOTHER SWORD OF THE SPIRIT AND ALSO PROFESSING DEVOUT FAITH…A PROTESTANT
Gentleman,the stakes we are playing for are extremely high!!!
YOU HAVE BEEN BOUGHT WITH A PRICE SO YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN!!!

So,no hitting below the belt and no swearing?alright?

ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE???

(i am enjoying this tremendously…you guys each have valid points;however,my money’s on the catholic)
 
Bill_Cherry said:
WELCOME TO WORLD WRESTLING OF DOGMA

IN THIS CORNER>>>EQUIPED WITH THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT AND DEVOUT FAITH…A CATHOLIC
AND IN THIS CORNER<<<<<EQUIPED WITH ANOTHER SWORD OF THE SPIRIT AND ALSO PROFESSING DEVOUT FAITH…A PROTESTANT
Gentleman,the stakes we are playing for are extremely high!!!
YOU HAVE BEEN BOUGHT WITH A PRICE SO YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN!!!

So,no hitting below the belt and no swearing?alright?

ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE???

(i am enjoying this tremendously…you guys each have valid points;however,my money’s on the catholic)
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                                                                                           Whose going to referee?   I   got atheist, Muslim, Orthodox, even almost have fundie  friend.  They are tougher to  befriend.       Tony:grouphug:
 
Bill_Cherry said:
WELCOME TO WORLD WRESTLING OF DOGMA

IN THIS CORNER>>>EQUIPED WITH THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT AND DEVOUT FAITH…A CATHOLIC
AND IN THIS CORNER<<<<<EQUIPED WITH ANOTHER SWORD OF THE SPIRIT AND ALSO PROFESSING DEVOUT FAITH…A PROTESTANT
Gentleman,the stakes we are playing for are extremely high!!!
YOU HAVE BEEN BOUGHT WITH A PRICE SO YOU ARE NOT YOUR OWN!!!

So,no hitting below the belt and no swearing?alright?

ARE YOU READY TO RUMBLE???

(i am enjoying this tremendously…you guys each have valid points;however,my money’s on the catholic)
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Winner gets fed to the lions.
 
sola_scriptura said:
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Sola scriptura, I have been reading your posts and I am convinced that you are a Calvinist. You believe that you are one of the “elect” one of the “saints”.
If I am correct please start a thread on Calvinism and try to defend your “truth” Thank you
 
I know, I’ll just go back to the Main question like one of our Catholic brothers (Chancellor) here said,
How do Catholics explain 1 Timothy 2:5 and Hebrews 7:26?

I’ve already heard how Catholics reconcile it. And I accept it as their explanation.
And the generalized protestant answer is that Mary’s intercession with Jesus in our behalf is not according to the Scriptures.

In direct terms, Catholics use the words of Popes and other Catholic theologians to add to what the Bible says, and they believe the words of the Pope to be inspired by God, or having the same authority as the Holy Scriptures, which makes his writings Holy.

I really can’t argue against someone who believes the Pope’s doctrine is equal with the doctrines of the Holy Scriptures, or that the Pope’s authority is the same as God’s authority.

All I can see is the falling away in the church that Paul spoke about:

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 - “… as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”

The only man that I know fills that spot, sitting in the temple of God, acting as if his words are the Word of God, and that people bow down to and kiss his hand/feet, and worship, that is even called Holy Father, and carries the name Vicar of Christ (acting in place of Christ) is The Papacy institution.

For me the Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirits according to the Scriptures, and He guides his church through His work and the knowledge in the Holy Scriptures.

But I understand, generally speaking, Catholics wont admit they worship the Pope.
However, If you show a person without preconceived ideas what people do in the presence of the Pope (or the “Holy Father” like some call him), that person would call it worship.

You want to believe Marianism, though the Bibles don’t teach that as the way to salvation, I can’t force anyone to not believe that. I can just show evidence.

And I forgot to post it, but Mary lost her virginity a long time ago when the Bible says that Joseph “… knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.” Matthew 1:25.
After she had the baby, then was Joseph able to “knew” her, not before, but till after she had the baby was born. And that “knew” has nothing to do with getting to know Mary as a person, if you know what I mean. Even the word “firstborn” says there are more born. Not her only child. That Jesus brothers and sisters are from Joseph’s previous marriage, is an assumption.

I’ll go to other forums, but it was interesting to speak to you, and thank you for the info on how Catholics reconcile those verses.
 
I would be glad to defend to my doctrines (although I’m not a pure Calvinist as I do not necessarily believe in predestination to damnation).

Here’s the main points I believe in with regard to predestination:
  1. Predestination of the “saints” (the faithful in Christ) as a unilateral act of providence and an eternal decree
  2. Perseverance (confidence of the believer)
  3. All aspects of grace are not universally given to mankind
I could get into other stuff – but these set of beliefs are the main ones I accept with regard to predestination.

I need to step out for about an hour or so, but if anyone wants to start a thread – perhaps you could call it “predestination” (or something like that) rather than using Calvin’s name (since I do not entirely agree with all of his doctrines).

As for being tossed to the lions – perhaps we can skip any references to the gladiator games 🙂 🙂

Thanks
 
Arglaze said:
I know, I’ll just go back to the Main question like one of our Catholic brothers (Chancellor) here said,
How do Catholics explain 1 Timothy 2:5 and Hebrews 7:26?

I’ve already heard how Catholics reconcile it. And I accept it as their explanation.
And the generalized protestant answer is that Mary’s intercession with Jesus in our behalf is not according to the Scriptures.

In direct terms, Catholics use the words of Popes and other Catholic theologians to add to what the Bible says, and they believe the words of the Pope to be inspired by God, or having the same authority as the Holy Scriptures, which makes his writings Holy.

I really can’t argue against someone who believes the Pope’s doctrine is equal with the doctrines of the Holy Scriptures, or that the Pope’s authority is the same as God’s authority.

All I can see is the falling away in the church that Paul spoke about:

2 Thessalonians 2:2-4 - “… as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.”

The only man that I know fills that spot, sitting in the temple of God, acting as if his words are the Word of God, and that people bow down to and kiss his hand/feet, and worship, that is even called Holy Father, and carries the name Vicar of Christ (acting in place of Christ) is The Papacy institution.

For me the Vicar of Christ is the Holy Spirits according to the Scriptures, and He guides his church through His work and the knowledge in the Holy Scriptures.

But I understand, generally speaking, Catholics wont admit they worship the Pope.
However, If you show a person without preconceived ideas what people do in the presence of the Pope (or the “Holy Father” like some call him), that person would call it worship.

You want to believe Marianism, though the Bibles don’t teach that as the way to salvation, I can’t force anyone to not believe that. I can just show evidence.

And I forgot to post it, but Mary lost her virginity a long time ago when the Bible says that Joseph “… knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.” Matthew 1:25.
After she had the baby, then was Joseph able to “knew” her, not before, but till after she had the baby was born. And that “knew” has nothing to do with getting to know Mary as a person, if you know what I mean. Even the word “firstborn” says there are more born. Not her only child. That Jesus brothers and sisters are from Joseph’s previous marriage, is an assumption.

I’ll go to other forums, but it was interesting to speak to you, and thank you for the info on how Catholics reconcile those verses.
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GO ON RUN AWAY!!!

It seems to me that a person who would think they had a better idea than God would be extremely anal retentive !
Didn’t Martin Luther recieve his "revelation"while he was in the privy??
YOU INTENTIONAL BLASPHEMER.

You are why we are told to wipe the dust off our feet if you won’t hear our words.

sheesh…and people say I"M rude…:mad:
now i gotta go repent…

y’know what.

Jesus loves you,but I think your a jerk!
 
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