How do Catholics explain 1 Timothy 2:5 and Hebrews 7:26?

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The Pope is not infallible even morally, because “it is not that we loved Him first, but He loved us first.”
To say that he is morally infallible is to say that he keeps the law perfectly, because the first and greatest commandment is to love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself, and yet there are times and here have been times in his progression as a saint, that he has NOT loved God wholeheartedly, but God’s grace is to be praised only.
If his were so, then Peter wouldn’t have turned away from God into the Judaizers hands Gal 2:11, away from the simplicity that is in Christ 2 Cor 11:3.
Our heart is willing, but our flesh is weak. For this reason, we are told to stay in prayer continually; somehow the Judaizers were able to lead Peter away from Christ, which Paul saved him from, as Peter had been standing in condemnation. Gal 2:11 We need eachother to obtain and secure eternal life Psalm 133:1-3, just as the body missing a heart or a kidney is in trouble Rom 12:5; 1 Cor 12:12.
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                                                                                           Infallibillity  is in Papal Teaching, not   living.  have been some misbehving personally Popes we talk much about.   But their    Papal Teachings and  Anointing of   priests, Bishops were  Fully Valid, by the Power of the Lord.   History  of 2000  years Proves all!                                                                                        
                                                                                          Live in Jesus                         Tony                          :harp: :blessyou:
 
I am amazed and amused…
I didn’t realize it was that complicated.
I thought that God gave Noah a promise so he built the ark
then God gave Moses a promise so he built the Ark of the covenant
Then He gave us a promise so Mary became the ark of the covanent because she carried God in her womb,and so Jesus was born,and since She was His mom she sort of became His first disciple,and then Josephs kids from a previous marriage,then the rest of the gang and then Jesus passed on the responsibility to Peter who gave it to Linus and so on down to our present day
Pops B16…
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And then Jesus became the Ark of the covenant and passed it into the Eucharist which is sort of like the ark of the covenant,and then those who get to receive it(which I don’t,yet)then,likewise become individual little arks…

And just like I can ask my buddy or even you guys to pray for me then ,since
people in heaven aren’t dead,then they like praying for us ,too, then I could ask Mary to pray for me also.Who is a ‘type’ of the Church…>pant,pant<
which is composed of the believers so now it’s one BIG ark…:confused:

Maybe its all just to complicated for my puny brain.
I’ll just chalk it up to a mystery.

sheesh…
God bless you Bill.
Bye.
 
Well, then, walk outside of the Scripture if you please! However, in the words of Jesus, “I know that His commandment is eternal life” John 12:50
Therefore, He says, "“But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?” John 5:47
How can you even understand Jesus without the Word of Scripture? You cannot. For this reason, Paul was a chosen instrument Acts 9:5 to send to the Gentiles who had no reference for understanding the God YHWH (no Torah), whereas Peter was chosen, being an unlearned Gal 2:9, “base” thing of the world “to confound the wise” Jewish believers 1 Cor 1:28, because Peter was an “unlearned” (not taught in a synagogue) albiet, holy man of God.
But if you want to know Jesus’ view of walking in the Word, only listen to Him:

“Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
How then will the Scriptures be fulfilled, which say that it must happen this way?” Matthew 26:53, 54

In His Word is eternal life; “outside are the dogs.” Rev 22:15
 
I am amazed and amused…
I didn’t realize it was that complicated.
I thought that God gave Noah a promise so he built the ark
then God gave Moses a promise so he built the Ark of the covenant
Then He gave us a promise so Mary became the ark of the covanent because she carried God in her womb,and so Jesus was born,and since She was His mom she sort of became His first disciple,and then Josephs kids from a previous marriage,then the rest of the gang and then Jesus passed on the responsibility to Peter who gave it to Linus and so on down to our present day
Pops B16…
🤷
And then Jesus became the Ark of the covenant and passed it into the Eucharist which is sort of like the ark of the covenant,and then those who get to receive it(which I don’t,yet)then,likewise become individual little arks…

And just like I can ask my buddy or even you guys to pray for me then ,since
people in heaven aren’t dead,then they like praying for us ,too, then I could ask Mary to pray for me also.Who is a ‘type’ of the Church…>pant,pant<
which is composed of the believers so now it’s one BIG ark…:confused:

Maybe its all just to complicated for my puny brain.
I’ll just chalk it up to a mystery.

sheesh…
ahhh Catholic theology :confused:

Remove Mary & the Eucharist out of your depiction & you’re pretty close. Not that the Eucharist is not important (as is baptism) – however, we are united to Christ by grace through faith. In this way I guess you might say we become “little Arks”
 
If Peter is the father of your church, then why don’t you take his example, and humble yourself to admit you are able to make a mistake, and receive correction, as Peter did?.. If the Pope wants to be like Peter, this should be his attitude, no? To be correctable?..
 
ahhh Catholic theology :confused:
Life's complicated, ain't it? We kinda need the Lord's help figurin it out. Didn't mean to add this, but Only the Catholic Church has All the Best answers to All Life's Problems. Fer Real! Betcha! Try couple Biggest Probs you can think of. Throw em this way! Like why not Tatoo, Rings my Bod? Its Mine! Because the Church and Bible tell us not to defile it. Vivat Jesus Tony :tiphat:
 
Everyone says that taking communion is important (in the Bible). You can’t say one sacrament is more important than the other, imo… it’s all the Word of God… imo… lol
 
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                                                                                          Life's complicated, ain't it?      We kinda  need the Lord's help figurin it out.   Didn't mean to add this, but Only the Catholic Church has All the Best  answers  to All Life's Problems.    Fer Real!       Betcha!   Try  couple Biggest Probs you can think  of. Throw em this way!                                                                   Like why not Tatoo, Rings my  Bod?  Its   Mine!   Because the Church and Bible tell us not   to   defile   it.                                  Vivat Jesus    Tony         :tiphat:
Okay (btw I have no tats or earrings either)?? Biggest problems; golly I’ve been down this road so many times b4. Mariology, thousands of “mediators,” icon worship, papal infallibility (and infallibility generally speaking), etc. All ideas I know without a shadow of a doubt are wrong.

I give the EOC much respect though – they haven’t gone the way or Rome & they’re fine by me.
 
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                                                                                          Life's complicated, ain't it?      We kinda  need the Lord's help figurin it out.   Didn't mean to add this, but Only the Catholic Church has All the Best  answers  to All Life's Problems.    Fer Real!       Betcha!   Try  couple Biggest Probs you can think  of. Throw em this way!                                                                   Like why not Tatoo, Rings my  Bod?  Its   Mine!   Because the Church and Bible tell us not   to   defile   it.                                  Vivat Jesus    Tony         :tiphat:
To be honest, I actually wonder about this… which is a WHOLE nother thread entirely…
Are we to follow the guidelines of the law… or are we allowed, in the grace of obedience to Christ, and within the confines of loving Christ with all of our being, to break the law in the smallest matters…? like food, like tattoos, like piercings… etc.,
“When I am among the Jews, I become as the Jews; when I am with the Gentiles, I become as the Gentiles, as under the law of Christ.” (paraphrase)
This cannot be interpreted incorrectly, because elsewhere it says, “they are surprised that you do not run with them in their excesses, amidst which you shine as stars …”
Peter warns about misinterpreting Pauls wisdom, “which he uses in his writings, of which some things are hard to understand, which the unlearned and weak wrest, as they do the rest of the Scriptres, to their own destruction.”

I don’t get whether we are still under the law… … but in either way, I am to serve Jesus, but it has to be in spirit and in TRUTH so I have to start aother thread about this subject, I guess…
 
Truth is anti-egoic in nature; being uncorrectable is the biggest sign of an ego problem:
“Be not wise in thine own eyes”
“The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.” Prov 12:15
Imagine the state the church would be in today if Peter said to Paul “How dare you insinuate that I could possibly be wrong?! I am the First Pope! (as you say he was)” The church probably wouldnt exist…
 
If Peter is the father of your church, then why don’t you take his example, and humble yourself to admit you are able to make a mistake, and receive correction, as Peter did?.. If the Pope wants to be like Peter, this should be his attitude, no? To be correctable?..
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                                                                                                                                                                                          We ALL sin, make mistakes.  The Pope goes to  John  20:23  Confession through a Priest, by   God,    also.    Only   God can forgive,   but he uses excellent  intermediaries,   instead of local Bishop, Priests,  who He gave Apostolic Power  to forgive "Death  in  God"   (aka   Mortal)    sin,  like killing/  major theft, fornication,  etc.       We can confess/repent minor sins directly to God also.                          Live in  Jesus            <<<<    4th Degree Knights of Columbus Greeting  SAYS  IT ALL
Tony 😊 :knight1:
 
If Peter is the father of your church, then why don’t you take his example, and humble yourself to admit you are able to make a mistake, and receive correction, as Peter did?.. If the Pope wants to be like Peter, this should be his attitude, no? To be correctable?..
We are subordinate to our Husband.
 
If Peter is the father of your church, then why don’t you take his example, and humble yourself to admit you are able to make a mistake, and receive correction, as Peter did?.. If the Pope wants to be like Peter, this should be his attitude, no? To be correctable?..
How many times you go to confession, how many times Pope goes to confession. Go by example not what you want eh ?
 
Actually, the problem doesn’t arise when he alone is erring, but when others are carried away by his error, as a Shepherd (which Jesus asked Peter to be when He was reinstating Peter to the faith) is supposed to lead sheep… as was the case with the flock under Peter so much so that even Barnabas was carried away with the error in Gal 2
 
Truth is anti-egoic in nature; being uncorrectable is the biggest sign of an ego problem:
“Be not wise in thine own eyes”
“The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.” Prov 12:15
Imagine the state the church would be in today if Peter said to Paul “How dare you insinuate that I could possibly be wrong?! I am the First Pope! (as you say he was)” The church probably wouldnt exist…
You’re saying the Church wouldn’t exist because of Peter’s pride? That’s saying that Jesus isn’t omnipotent.

Even if Peter didn’t accept Paul’s correction, that doesn’t mean that the Church couldn’t exist. He wasn’t binding his pride on the rest of the Church. NOTE, however, that he was in charge as whatever he did, the rest of the people followed. St. Paul was the one who saw that this MAY lead to something big if not corrected and so by the Grace of God he was given the courage to stand up to his leader.
 
The spirits of the prophets is subject to the prophets" Sometimes, although it shouldn’t be, we need help from someone else.

Now, don’t get me wrong, the Pope is a wonderful man of God - I was reading his book about Europe, and I literally saw Jesus, so I know that the Pope lives with Jesus… I am speaking only of the doctrines of catholicism…
 
Actually, the problem doesn’t arise when he alone is erring, but when others are carried away by his error, as a Shepherd (which Jesus asked Peter to be when He was reinstating Peter to the faith) is supposed to lead sheep… as was the case with the flock under Peter so much so that even Barnabas was carried away with the error in Gal 2
Well if the problem doesn’t arise it doesn’t arise…
 
That IF Peter wasn’t a humble person… which by the grace of God, he had humility to receive correction…

stop trying to save face, truth is anti-egoic:

The problem had already begun, and he was already to be condemned, people less learned and established in the WORD OF GOD, like Paul, were being carried away with the deception which satan worked through the Judaizers.
 
Truth is anti-egoic in nature; being uncorrectable is the biggest sign of an ego problem:
“Be not wise in thine own eyes”
“The way of a fool is right in his own eyes,But a wise man is he who listens to counsel.” Prov 12:15
Imagine the state the church would be in today if Peter said to Paul “How dare you insinuate that I could possibly be wrong?! I am the First Pope! (as you say he was)” The church probably wouldnt exist…
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                                                                                            Good one!  Quize!  Where does God say Truth  (on Earth)   is?   5 minute open book  quizze.                                                     Times UP.     Lord says Truth is in the Church/Apostles.  :   1 Tim 3:15.          
                                                                                         Who are the Apostles with power to decide Truth today?   The Thousands of Catholic Bishops,  aka  the Magesterium.     Chief  Bishop of Rome  can Not make   Formal Morality   Mistake:   Matt  16:  about   18:  'What you bind/lose on earth, is bound/losed in Heaven'       Been working   2,000  Years, Thank You Lord.     

    Tony                           :bowdown2:
 
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