How do Catholics explain 1 Timothy 2:5 and Hebrews 7:26?

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I see what is written in the Bible means little to you, but I would still like to correct a description of Mary that you use, which is only used for Jesus in the Bible.

The phrase “full of grace” ( pleres charis) is used to describe Jesus in (John1:14).

The phrase “be highly favored” (charitoo) is used by the angel to describe Mary in (Luke 1:28).

The words are quite different in meaning and the switching of the description for Jesus to describe Mary is unbiblical.

I know…I know… you don’t care about silly little details when it comes to your version of the truth. Throw out the Bible and go “full of speed” ahead.
Hi brkn1,

You’re right in saying that the term used in Luke 1:28 is different from the term used in John 1:14.

But the thing is, the term used in Luke 1:28 is a very particular form of the verb charitoo, namely kecharitomene.

There’s been pretty extensive discussion about what kecharitomene means, and I don’t want to repeat it all here. St. Jerome famously translated kecharitomene as “gratia plena” in the Vulgate, so that’s a pretty traditional translation. (Does anyone happen to know how Jerome translated pleres charis in John1:14?)
 
And what is your point in all of this?

That Mary is acknowledged by even your church. You deny what your church teachs! How smart is that my friend?

I know what the doctrines and beliefs are in the Anglican church and you claim to as well. So what? The beliefs of the Catholic church are debated amongst it’s own faithful as well. Are you saying that they are not?

**Not doctrines of faith SIA and this happens to be one of them! **

A duck is a duck no matter what it quacks like. Nice try.

And a donkey isn’t a duck, even if you can teach it to quack. I really wish I could say your try was nice. However the word Weak came to mind first! 😃
 
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Realcatholicgk:
You are now putting words in my mouth. I never said that the Anglican church doesn’t recognize Mary. Is this how you try and defend your position; by trying to paint me differently than what I am? Anglicans recognize Mary as the greatest woman who ever lived and the greatest role model of Christianity that isn’t divinity. She is also given the honor of the foremost of all the saints. Don’t tell me what my beliefs are or pretend that you know more about Anglcanism than I do. Obviously you need to do some more homework on the subject before you attempt to put your money where your mouth is again.
 
Happy Thanksgiving!

You are now putting words in my mouth.

I would never assume to do that! Maybe you art forgeting what you have said because you are enjoying the argument so much? Go back before post #93 and reread your stand point.

I never said that the Anglican church doesn’t recognize Mary. Is this how you try and defend your position; by trying to paint me differently than what I am?

Actually your church believes in the Marian dogmas which you argue so much against. :eek: Why is that? Are you from another growth from the real Angelican church like all protestants are counterfeited from the real Catholic church?

nglicans recognize Mary as the greatest woman who ever lived and the greatest role model of Christianity that isn’t divinity. She is also given the honor of the foremost of all the saints.

That is the Catholic belief exactly.

Don’t tell me what my beliefs are or pretend that you know more about Anglcanism than I do.

I would never tell you what your personal beliefs are, that is what protestants do when they tell catholics that we worship Mary, etc. However, I can tell, and will tell you what your church expects you to believe to be a full member of the church!'You have no authority to tell me what to say or do! I follow the Catholic church you follow a artificial religion based on our true church.

Obviously you need to do some more homework on the subject before you attempt to put your money where your mouth is again.

Obviously, YOU have to learn more about your religion. You might once again realize that the Catholic Church is the only church that Jesus founded. Your donkey actually doesn’t sound like a duck yet, Dear!

Your attempt at anger doesn’t make your agruments any more rational or truthful. So try another tactic next time. Logic might work, but how could a member of an illlogical denomination talk logically about Jesus or His mother?
 
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RobGentner:
Where are you getting the idea that Anglicans believe in the Marian dogmas? Anglicans do not believe in them. The 39 Articles of Faith show that plainly by calling them Romanish.
 
Where are you getting the idea that Anglicans believe in the Marian dogmas? Anglicans do not believe in them. The 39 Articles of Faith show that plainly by calling them Romanish.
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THE LAST WORD, Mary Who?
By
The Reverend Canon James Rosenthal

As I get older I often reminisce about my work in the Church over the years. I remember while serving as music coordinator for the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, USA; how we worked so diligently to make sure that organists and choir masters selected appropriate music as they planned music for their congregations.

I remember with amusement a particular incident at one of the great holy days of the Christian year, the Annunciation of our Lord to the Blessed Virgin Mary. I was in conversation with an organist in one of the principal parishes of the diocese and I asked him over the phone, ‘What hymns are you going to pick for Mary?’ In a little sense of bewilderment, the organist said to me, ‘Mary who?’

Mary, the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ our Savior and God, is often the focus of devotion, prayer and commemoration during the month of May. There are many ancient reasons for this and, in many parts of the Communion where there are churches of the Catholic tradition, May is always a time to look at the role of Mary in the life of the Church. One of the great feasts that honor Mary falls in May, in the celebration in the Visitation of Mary to Elizabeth.

More and more, Church calendars are now including, as the principal celebration of Mary, the date 15 August, the day that is set aside to celebrate Mary’s being reunited with her son in glory. Mary is often a point of grave concern and discussion among certain Anglicans. Do we commemorate her too much or do we neglect her to our fault? How do we view the role of Mary in the plan of Salvation? How can we come to grips with the fact that indeed she could have said ‘No’ to the Annunciation?

Many of our churches in the Anglican Communion have beautiful stained glass windows, icons and images, as well as devotional organizations, that are dedicated to understanding Mary. It is a shame when devotion to Mary is used as a divisive issue, whether between those of the Protestant tradition and the Catholic tradition or amongst those who consider themselves traditionalists or modern Catholics. Mary is for everyone. She is not to be confined to a box of our own design. For many years in the Church she was the only female image that we had to ponder.
Of course, there are several thousand Anglican churches dedicated to St Mary, yet I would ask you to pray in particular for the work of three of the shrines that are run by Anglicans in Great Britain. They are: Our Lady and Three Kings in Haddington, Scotland; Our Lady of Pew, Westminster; and, of course, the renowned Nazareth of England, Our Lady of Walsingham in Norfolk. Just the other day we received word from the Bishop in Jerusalem that Christians were being prohibited by Muslim extremists to attend church on Easter Day in Nazareth, the place of the Annunciation, the place that Jesus called home. How sad; I’m sure Jesus weeps, Mary weeps and the communion of Saints weep when such bitterness and conflict attack the people of God in such a holy city.

I hope that the following words from Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold of the Episcopal Church, USA, will give us some perspective on how Anglicans can view St Mary in the life of the church.

“Clearly, the honor and devotion which we accord to Our Lady derive not from her exalted place in the Gospel accounts, but, rather, from what she in her song, Magnificat, terms her ‘lowliness’. Her profound and human struggle to yield herself to the complete undoing of her world and a safe and predictable future leads her to say, ‘yes’ to the deeply disturbing message of the angel at the Annunciation. The price of that assent to bear the Word takes her away from home into exile in Egypt, and brings with it the promise that ‘her heart will be pierced’ because of the child she has been chosen to bear.” …"

Click on The Source: THE LAST WORD

"…The Anglican Communion, Anglican World
Issue 94 Trinity 1999**
 
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THE LAST WORD, Mary Who?
By
The Reverend Canon James Rosenthal**

As I get older I often reminisce about my work in the Church over the years. I remember while serving as music coordinator for the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago, USA; how we worked so diligently to make sure that organists and choir masters selected appropriate music as they planned music for their congregations.

I remember with amusement a particular incident at one of the great holy days of the Christian year, the Annunciation of our Lord to the Blessed Virgin Mary. I was in conversation with an organist in one of the principal parishes of the diocese and I asked him over the phone, ‘What hymns are you going to pick for Mary?’ In a little sense of bewilderment, the organist said to me, ‘Mary who?’

Mary, the mother of our Lord Jesus Christ our Savior and God, is often the focus of devotion, prayer and commemoration during the month of May. There are many ancient reasons for this and, in many parts of the Communion where there are churches of the Catholic tradition, May is always a time to look at the role of Mary in the life of the Church. One of the great feasts that honor Mary falls in May, in the celebration in the Visitation of Mary to Elizabeth.

More and more, Church calendars are now including, as the principal celebration of Mary, the date 15 August, the day that is set aside to celebrate Mary’s being reunited with her son in glory. Mary is often a point of grave concern and discussion among certain Anglicans. Do we commemorate her too much or do we neglect her to our fault? How do we view the role of Mary in the plan of Salvation? How can we come to grips with the fact that indeed she could have said ‘No’ to the Annunciation?

Many of our churches in the Anglican Communion have beautiful stained glass windows, icons and images, as well as devotional organizations, that are dedicated to understanding Mary. It is a shame when devotion to Mary is used as a divisive issue, whether between those of the Protestant tradition and the Catholic tradition or amongst those who consider themselves traditionalists or modern Catholics. Mary is for everyone. She is not to be confined to a box of our own design. For many years in the Church she was the only female image that we had to ponder.
Of course, there are several thousand Anglican churches dedicated to St Mary, yet I would ask you to pray in particular for the work of three of the shrines that are run by Anglicans in Great Britain. They are: Our Lady and Three Kings in Haddington, Scotland; Our Lady of Pew, Westminster; and, of course, the renowned Nazareth of England, Our Lady of Walsingham in Norfolk. Just the other day we received word from the Bishop in Jerusalem that Christians were being prohibited by Muslim extremists to attend church on Easter Day in Nazareth, the place of the Annunciation, the place that Jesus called home. How sad; I’m sure Jesus weeps, Mary weeps and the communion of Saints weep when such bitterness and conflict attack the people of God in such a holy city.

I hope that the following words from Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold of the Episcopal Church, USA, will give us some perspective on how Anglicans can view St Mary in the life of the church.

“Clearly, the honor and devotion which we accord to Our Lady derive not from her exalted place in the Gospel accounts, but, rather, from what she in her song, Magnificat, terms her ‘lowliness’. Her profound and human struggle to yield herself to the complete undoing of her world and a safe and predictable future leads her to say, ‘yes’ to the deeply disturbing message of the angel at the Annunciation. The price of that assent to bear the Word takes her away from home into exile in Egypt, and brings with it the promise that ‘her heart will be pierced’ because of the child she has been chosen to bear.” …"

Click on The Source: THE LAST WORD

"…The Anglican Communion, Anglican World
Issue 94 Trinity 1999
I’m guessing that your point in all of this is to shed light on someone in the Anglican faith that has more of a desire and motivation to adore Mary than most other Anglicans. There is nothing at all bizarre about that. That can and probably happens in many Christian faiths. Just like many Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence. It doesn’t speak to the doctrines of the Roman church, it only speaks of people and their individual thoughts.
 
I’m guessing that your point in all of this is to shed light on someone in the Anglican faith that has more of a desire and motivation to adore Mary than most other Anglicans. There is nothing at all bizarre about that. That can and probably happens in many Christian faiths. Just like many Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence. It doesn’t speak to the doctrines of the Roman church, it only speaks of people and their individual thoughts.
**There are NO Catholic that does not believe in the Real Presence, SIA. If they do, by that fact, they aren’t Catholic! That isn’t a debateable tradition.

They (people who claim to be “Catholic” but do not believe in the Real Presence are Protestant!)
Their herecy proves that! It is the devil gaining more souls in his service against the real church established by Jesus 2,000 years ago! Does Reverend Rosenthal’s remarks make him Catholic, in your eyes?

I know that the 39 articles are not officially acknowledged as a binding creed or confession of faith, but they record the doctrinal foundations from which Anglican tradition grew when Satan established it in 1563.
How do we know Satan was involved? Because the articles are against Jesus’ real church ,established 2,000 years ago. Who but Satan would want to go against God Himself? The evidence is in the act!

God Bless,

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**There are NO Catholic that does not believe in the Real Presence, SIA. If they do, by that fact, they aren’t Catholic! That isn’t a debateable tradition.

They (people who claim to be “Catholic” but do not believe in the Real Presence are Protestant!)
Their herecy proves that! It is the devil gaining more souls in his service against the real church established by Jesus 2,000 years ago! Does Reverend Rosenthal’s remarks make him Catholic, in your eyes?

I know that the 39 articles are not officially acknowledged as a binding creed or confession of faith, but they record the doctrinal foundations from which Anglican tradition grew when Satan established it in 1563.
How do we know Satan was involved? Because the articles are against Jesus’ real church ,established 2,000 years ago. Who but Satan would want to go against God Himself? The evidence is in the act!

God Bless,

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**There are NO Catholic that does not believe in the Real Presence, SIA. If they do, by that fact, they aren’t Catholic! That isn’t a debateable tradition.

They (people who claim to be “Catholic” but do not believe in the Real Presence are Protestant!)
Their herecy proves that! It is the devil gaining more souls in his service against the real church established by Jesus 2,000 years ago! Does Reverend Rosenthal’s remarks make him Catholic, in your eyes?

I know that the 39 articles are not officially acknowledged as a binding creed or confession of faith, but they record the doctrinal foundations from which Anglican tradition grew when Satan established it in 1563.
How do we know Satan was involved? Because the articles are against Jesus’ real church ,established 2,000 years ago. Who but Satan would want to go against God Himself? The evidence is in the act!

God Bless,

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Sorry to correct you, bro Real, but SIA is correct in saying that (too many) Catholics do not believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist: a too significant minority. There was a widelly publicized Poll a few years ago, not properly worded, that had more Lutherans than Catholics agree with the Real Presence. It was virtual tie. The problem was not only the Wording of the poll question was misleading, but many who participated were not even Catholic, or had drifted away.
 
**There are NO Catholic that does not believe in the Real Presence, SIA. If they do, by that fact, they aren’t Catholic! That isn’t a debateable tradition.

They (people who claim to be “Catholic” but do not believe in the Real Presence are Protestant!)
Their herecy proves that! It is the devil gaining more souls in his service against the real church established by Jesus 2,000 years ago! Does Reverend Rosenthal’s remarks make him Catholic, in your eyes?

I know that the 39 articles are not officially acknowledged as a binding creed or confession of faith, but they record the doctrinal foundations from which Anglican tradition grew when Satan established it in 1563.
How do we know Satan was involved? Because the articles are against Jesus’ real church ,established 2,000 years ago. Who but Satan would want to go against God Himself? The evidence is in the act!

God Bless,

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Then why are these folks still counted by the Roman Catholic church as being Catholic when you are saying that they are not? This is getting all too weird, especially when you don’t think that there are any Protestants who believe in the Real Presence. Sounds like you need some education.
 
Then why are these folks still counted by the Roman Catholic church as being Catholic when you are saying that they are not? This is getting all too weird, especially when you don’t think that there are any Protestants who believe in the Real Presence. Sounds like you need some education.
KC brother Real’s idea of who is Catholic is his own, not the Church’s. There was a problem with proper ‘catechesis’ (aka Teaching) Catholic Faith details, attitudes in the late 1960’s- 1980’s, because Vatican II left some misunderstandings. Safe to say, 80%+ - 96% believe in Eucharistic Real Presence. Not all agree with every doctrine in any Faith; but only those who disagree or Live seriously outside The Church, as Hitler did, or an abortionist did, is automatically Not Catholic, until he repents, and sees a Priest or higher to return to The Church.
Protestants who believe in the ‘real presence’ think of it in different ways, arrived at differently. I know Baptists who believe in the remembrance real presence thing, etc, etc.
Brother Real is busy, on duty at the Alamo Google Library, researching his new Tome. (That’s a high class word, even in Alamo)
 
Then why are these folks still counted by the Roman Catholic church as being Catholic when you are saying that they are not? This is getting all too weird, especially when you don’t think that there are any Protestants who believe in the Real Presence. Sounds like you need some education.
** You think 18 years of formal education isn’t enough? Plus over 40 in religious education? Boy your standards are really tough!

SIA, They may call themselves “Catholic”, but if they don’t practice what the Church teaches can they really be Catholic? We have Catholics that practice artificial birth control and even abortion. Are they Catholic? If I was Pope they wouldn’t be! That is probably why they didn’t elect me! :mad:
Sure, there are many Protestants that “believe” in the real presence, but since they don’t have apostolic succession how can they have the real presence? Just because you believe something doen’t make it real! You have to have authority! Like Tony, Sailka, he believes he talks for the entire Catholic church kind of like a pope in his own mind. And he professes to know what the Catholic church teaches but seldom is right:D

SIA, You have to understand there are 33,000 denominations and 28,000 subdenominations of Protestants. That is 61,000 groups practicing 1,375 doctrines and dogmas How could I understand everything there is to know about all these counterfeit denominations? I have been studing my own religion for over 60 years and am just starting to understand that I don’t have to care what others believe or don’t believe. That won’t get me into heaven. It is only my following Jesus’ teachings as taught by the RCC that is important.

God Bless **
 
** You think 18 years of formal education isn’t enough? Plus over 40 in religious education? Boy your standards are really tough!

SIA, They may call themselves “Catholic”, but if they don’t practice what the Church teaches can they really be Catholic? We have Catholics that practice artificial birth control and even abortion. Are they Catholic? If I was Pope they wouldn’t be! That is probably why they didn’t elect me! :mad:
Sure, there are many Protestants that “believe” in the real presence, but since they don’t have apostolic succession how can they have** the real presence? Just because you believe something doen’t make it real! You have to have authority! Like Tony, Sailka, he believes he talks for the entire Catholic church kind of like a pope in his own mind. And he professes to know what the Catholic church teaches but seldom is right:D

SIA, You have to understand there are 33,000 denominations and 28,000 subdenominations of Protestants. That is 61,000 groups practicing 1,375 doctrines and dogmas How could I understand everything there is to know about all these counterfeit denominations? I have been studing my own religion for over 60 years and am just starting to understand that I don’t have to care what others believe or don’t believe. That won’t get me into heaven. It is only my following Jesus’ teachings as taught by the RCC that is important.

God Bless
Ummmm, where do you get your Texas numbers from on Denominations? 🍿 Our Labor departmemnt only lists 18,000 sects in the USA. Who counted 1,375 dogmas?

And who counts what it takes to be Catholic, or Protestant? Texas measuring tapes different scale than the rest of world? I’ve heard that the Catholic Church has its own standards on who is Catholic, but does not like to Judge people, except in grave Teaching error situations. I’ve heard that God should judge, not you or even SIA or me. :rolleyes:
 
KC brother Real’s idea of who is Catholic is his own, not the Church’s.

Not true Tony, shame on you! Study your religion please~!

There was a problem with proper ‘catechesis’ (aka Teaching) Catholic Faith details, attitudes in the late 1960’s- 1980’s, because Vatican II left some misunderstandings. Safe to say, 80%+ - 96% believe in Eucharistic Real Presence.
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It is safer to say that the last study said that 56% of Catholics believed in the real presence. Guess what normally happens to the other 44%? They get angry because they divorce or break another “law” of the Catholic church and they leave and become Protestant. It doesn’t matter to them what religion they don’t practice, so long as they feel good about themselves! They don’t realize that their eternal soul depends on their eating Jesus’ Body and drinking His blood as he commanded! They had been doing that as catholics even if they didn’t believe they were doing it!’**

Not all agree with every doctrine in any Faith; but only those who disagree or Live seriously outside The Church, as Hitler did, or an abortionist did, is automatically Not Catholic, until he repents, and sees a Priest or higher to return to The Church.

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Not exactly, but that theory isn’t completely wrong. **

Protestants who believe in the ‘real presence’ think of it in different ways, arrived at differently. I know Baptists who believe in the remembrance real presence thing, etc, etc.

**Actually some protestants think of the real presense exactly the same as the Catholic church, It is beyond my “paygrade” to venture a guess on whether they are right or not. I do know our Church hasn’t ruled on it so how could I? I find it easy to lump that one half dozen in with the other 60,996 denominations. Because there are other dogmas they don’t agree with that also endanger their eternal souls!

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Brother Real is busy, on duty at the Alamo Google Library, researching his new Tome. (That’s a high class word, even in Alamo)

**Tony, Your jokes remind me of an old commercial about Kellog’s Corn Flakes for some “corny” reason 🙂
God bless all you know it alls! 😃 **
 
KC brother Real, Post 982, What kinda “study” found that 56% of “Catholics” believe in Real Presence? :hey_bud: Does that mean that 44% of Catholics are Protestants? Or maybe not knowing their Faith enough? :confused:

I eat raw Kuntry Oats for breakfast, gave up Corn, when things got too corny, and ethanol power became IN, for a few weeks. 😛
 
  1. Mary could not be the mother of God. God always was and has no beginning. Mary had a natural birth as a natural human.
But the problem is that Jesus is God and if there is a unity in Christ then what is predicated of Christ as man must also be predicated of Christ as God. So when we say that Christ died on the cross we do not simply mean that His human nature died. We mean to say clearly that God died on the cross. This is a stumbling block to the Jews and stupidity to the Greeks but it is the faith we profess in Christ. Just as God died on the cross, He was born to Mary and so Mary is the mother of God. Mary is not simply the mother of the human nature of Christ, she is the mother of the divine person(Jesus is the incarnation of the Son not simply a uniting of two general essences; one man one God).

I think that St. Cyril and the council of Ephesus dealt with this pretty well. The objection you offer is the same objection that Nestorius offered to St. Cyril calling Mary Theotokos.
  1. Again, Scripture doesn’t say anything about Mary remaining a virgin. It in fact tells us that she had other children besides Jesus and says nothing to the contrary that Mary led a normal married life with Joseph.
The scriptures does not say in any passage that Mary had other children. It says that Jesus had brothers and sisters and lists them but that is very different. That does not indicate that Mary had any children. It is possible that Joseph was a widower and consequently had children from a previous marriage. Or maybe it is simply as Jerome said, that the term brother is very general in this case. What we know is that the children that are listed as His brothers are said to be the children of another Mary later durring the crucifixion narratives. So there is a big problem with this idea that Mary had other children.
 
Re post 984: The biblical reference to Our Lord having ‘brothers and sisters’ is explained elsewhere by KC brother Real and I in that there was no Aramaic or Greek word Then for Follower; so the euphamistic popular language ‘brother/sister’ was used, as Blacks do so well today.
 
Ummmm, where do you get your Texas numbers from on Denominations? Our Labor departmemnt only lists 18,000 sects in the USA. Who counted 1,375 dogmas?
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You don’t know that Protestant religion are Catholic? “UNIVERSAL” ** I never said in the “USA” Tony, do some research on your own. I can’t do all the work! Hint: They all came from “Catholic Sources” 😃

And who counts what it takes to be Catholic, or Protestant? Texas measuring tapes different scale than the rest of world?

**Nope, we just ain’t afraid of telling the truth, we have legal gun carry here! 🙂 Ifen you be a following the precepts of the Catholic Church you might be a Catholic! If you don’t … isn’t it obvious? **

I’ve heard that the Catholic Church has its own standards on who is Catholic, but does not like to Judge people, except in grave Teaching error situations.

** Actually, Tony, the way it looks the Catholic Church doesn’t judge anyone at all. Now, that isn’t really a bad thing , although I personally wish they would judge Abortionist and “active” Homosexuals and kick them out of our church! But, if they got too picky they probably would kick me out also 😃 !**

I’ve heard that God should judge, not you or even SIA or me. :rolleyes:

Well Tony, you heard wrong! Surprised? It is contained in a book called the bible. You don’t seem to have heard much truth have you? I am be a guessing that you must have read even less! 🙂 But I could be wrong, us texans aren’t as got schooling like you guys with all that book learning! 😃 Oh, I was a wondering, could you ever stay within the lines? It is said to be real hard unlessing you have them good crayons! I will a haven to get meself some of those things! freesmileys.org/smileys/laughing024.gif
"“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.” is the verse so many mistakenly use to try in an feeble attempt to shame Christians for discerning poor behavior, ethics, morals, and values: These Hyprocrites who publicly claim to oppose sin while allowing it to continue in the name of Jesus!
But look at that passage in its context: “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” MATTHEW 7:1-5
Cearly, it is hypocritical judgment that this Scripture condemns. Now go look at verse 6, and then read verse 13 through15. Did you see that Jesus actually instructed them to make judgments!

In our society of so called “tolerance,” we are often struck with an opposition of people who cry that we have no right to judge them! http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/angry019.gif God, Himself, gave us that right and we should use it!
A hypocritical judgment is judging someone for something of which you are also guilty. Like lets say - Like your telling me not to judge WHEN you are judging me! This passage means the opposite of what hypocrites often interpret it to mean! Jesus’ point is for hypocrites to pluck the beam of sin out of their own eye so that they can see clearly to cast the mote out of their neighbor’s eye. Also take a look at some other Scriptures…

“Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” JOHN 7:14:

"Yea, and why not even of yourselves judge ye not what is right?"LUKE 12:57

“The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment.” PSALM 37:30

"Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy."PROVERBS 31:9

“Take heed… If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.”'LUKE 17:3 See If you a being repenting Tony, I will have to be forgiving you! That is the Christian thing to do!

"Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbor. Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbor: I am the Lord. Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbor, and not suffer sin upon him."LEVITICUS 19:15-17

“Now, thou son of man, wilt thou judge, wilt thou judge the bloody city? Yea, thou shalt show her all her abominations … The Lord said more over unto me, Son of man, wilt thou judge Aholah and Aholibah? Yea, declare unto them their abominations.” EZEKIEL 22:2 & 23:36:

“Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew My people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.” ISAIAH 58:1

God Bless

John the Baptist preaching, “Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?” MATTHEW 3:2,7
 
KC brother Real, Post 982, What kinda “study” found that 56% of “Catholics” believe in Real Presence?
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Br Tony,

If you did your own reading rather than challenging what I tell you and others, you would be much smarter, much quicker. I actually don’t have the time required to educate you, our Protestant brethren and the heathens who come looking for help!! It takes effort to correct your errors! :rolleyes:

Just believe me! Take it on faith! I am seldom wrong! mis-understood? Perhaps, but never wrong! freesmileys.org/smileys/char048.gif** Well, except occassionaly, but that doesn’t count!

I will warn you again! Don’t challenge me! Texas is a open carry state and I do carry! freesmileys.org/smileys/violent007.gif

Watch, some “nut” will accuse me of violence because of that smiley! 😃 but they would be the same ones that allow their children to watch road runner (I love the Road Runner) cartoons all day long!

Now, the statistics came from an approved Georgetown study which posted the results comes from the 2001 CARA Catholic Poll (CCP), a national telephone poll. Their results had been weighted to adjust for methodological differences.
I was wrong it is actually 57% . closer than your 80 to 90% that you pulled from a shady place!
If you look on page 54 you will find the data, I quoted. I read that over two years ago my friend! I didn’t have to google it!

cara.georgetown.edu/masseucharist.pdf

:hey_bud: Does that mean that 44% of Catholics are Protestants? Or maybe not knowing their Faith enough?

**No they are Catholic, just like protestants are catholic, and don’t even realize it. they are just not in full communication with the holy See! And “Yes”, like you, they don’t know their faithwell enough!:eek: Do you know that they are still consuming the real presense of Jesus and drink His blood even though they don’t believe it? Just like the protestants that believe in the real presense but do not have apostolic succession think they have the real presence and really don’t. Don’t you agree that for all the good it does, they should eat Oreos and drink grape juice? Oh,wait, I forgot some of them do drink grape juice! :rolleyes: Now that I think about it, I actually wouldn’t put it past some Protestants to consume Oreos also!
But seriously, The real presence has nothing to do with what the person believes or doesn’t believe. It is a Sacrament! Sacraments are not symbolic. They are outwards signs instituted by …(?) to (do what?)…? I’ll help if you can’t remember! **

I eat raw Kuntry Oats for breakfast, gave up Corn, when things got too corny, and ethanol power became IN, for a few weeks.

** I eat Breakfst Taco! 👍

“Do you wish to be great? Then begin by being. Do you desire to construct a vast and lofty fabric? Think first about the foundations of humility. The higher your structure is to be, the deeper must be its foundation”. - Saint Augustine

Vivat Jesu’ Remember That, My Brother In Christ! **
 
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