How Do Catholics Hear The Gospel?

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Yes i have,for a problem or a situation i go thru,the bible is clear about that pray for one another.I have pray for God to touch somebody’s heart and to change it,i have pray for God to aloud a person that i know is lost to be saved,pray for those who are being persecuted in His name.
Now when i mean for somebody to be saved i pray that the Lord will touch his heart,so he can accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior
John 14:6 say’s "“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. "
Thru Him, not thru prayers,not thru works but thru Him we go to the Father.”
John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life”.
That is my prayer for those that don’t believe in Him will someday.
 
JesustheSavior,

Those are very good prayers indeed. Just as the prayer at Mass is quite good. If I asked you to pray for me, I am sure you would. If prayed for another person, that would be a productive act. Why then, is it difficult to understand that asking Mary, the angels, and the Saints for prayers is also a good and productive act?

"and I ask Blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and to you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God.”
 
Because i only pray to God,i don’t ask saints, nor Mary nor angels to pray for me.They can not save me,they will not answer my prayers,find me one verse in the bible that say’s that i have to pray to saints,Mary or angels.
 
But we don’t pray to Mary and the angels and saints to save us, we ask them for their prayers!!! You pray for your friends, why shouldn’t our heavenly friends pray for us?
 
JesustheSavior,

Catholics do say that Mary, the angels or saints can save us. In fact, if you go to the link again you will see that Catholics believe that only God can save us.

The Bible never says that we “must” call upon Mary, the angels or saints to pray for us–yet the Bible does reflect that prayer is very productive. If you prayed for me, do you think that is a wasted prayer?

Mary can pray for us, yet it is Jesus alone that saves us.

The saints can pray for us, yet it is Jesus alone that saves us.

The angels in heaven can pray for us, yet it is Jesus alone that saves us.
 
Jesusthesavior,

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Catholics do NOT say that Mary, the angels or the saints can save us…
 
KateQ:

Can you please find me the verse in the bible that says that i have to ask them to pray for me?.Because that i know of, that is a catholic dogma not biblical.
 
they will not answer my prayers,find me one verse in the bible that say’s that i have to pray to saints,Mary or angels.
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You certainly do not HAVE to pray to anyone but God, but why waste the opportunity? If you accept the effectiveness (efficacy?) of asking others to pray to you and you KNOW that God is the God of the living not the dead (Mark 12:27) then why would those living saints NOT want to, and be able to, help you???

I want to say this too (hoping to aid in understanding):
We Catholics also believe that the deposit of faith is not only in Holy Scripture, but in Sacred Tradition as understood by the Magisterium of the Church. You may not always get an answer to “where is that in the bible?” but the Church’s official teachings are never contradicted by what Scripture says.

I pray this helps you!
 
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If you accept the effectiveness (efficacy?) of asking others to pray to you and you KNOW
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If you accept the effectiveness (efficacy?) of asking others to pray for you and you KNOW …

Doh! :o
 
TPJ:

Will you please find me in the bible were it say’s that i have to pray to them,or ask them for help?
I have study the bible with many people,i have read many times the New and Old Testament and still thru all this years i have not found,anywhere that says that i have to pray to them to be heard by God.
Why does the catholic religion make it so hard to just pray to God, and to Him alone with out going thru Mary or the saints?
Taking away the fact that you can pray for me and me for you and everybody else in this world,why not just we as humans,why do you have to go thru them?Do you beleive that your prayer to the Lord will not reach Him?
 
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JesustheSavior:
KateQ:

Can you please find me the verse in the bible that says that i have to ask them to pray for me?.Because that i know of, that is a catholic dogma not biblical.
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No, she can’t…because the Bible doesn’t say it. Nor does Catholic dogma anywhere say that you *have * to ask them to pray for you. Neither does the Bible or Catholic dogma say that anyone *has * to pray for me if I were in the hospital. But I certainly hope my friends and family will!
 
JesustheSavior,

There are plenty of verses that speak about the productive nature of praying for others. However, I feel you are mssing the point. Catholics do NOT think they have to go through Mary, the angels or the saints. Catholics believe that they can go directly to Jesus with their prayers. Catholics also believe that they can use all the prayers they can get. Here are two passages to consider:

1 Tim 2:1 (RSV-CE)
First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men,…

Romans 15:30-33 (RSV-CE)
I appeal to you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf, that I may be delivered from the unbelievers in Judea, and that my service for Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints, so that by God’s will I may come to you with joy and be refreshed in your company. The God of peace be with you all. Amen.
 
I mentioned that it is here in this section that each Catholic states publicly that he or she is individually a sinner- not merely in a general sense, but specifically in thoughts, words and deeds. You can’t get much more complete than that. I continued reading,

“and I ask Blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and to you, my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God.”

Ok,then, can you explain to me what he meant over here?if that is the case,then this person is mistaken when he said this.
 
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JesustheSavior:
Because i only pray to God,i don’t ask saints, nor Mary nor angels to pray for me.They can not save me,they will not answer my prayers,find me one verse in the bible that say’s that i have to pray to saints,Mary or angels.
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Have you checked Revelations 8:3-4 to find about praying to the saints?

And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; 4 and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.

Does this passage tell us about offering our prayers to the angels and saints? That is what I always thought, but I could be wrong.
 
JesustheSavior,

I am not clear what your question is–the statement is very clear. We are asking for prayers from Mary, the angels and the saints. We are not asking for them to save us, we are asking for their prayers.
 
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JesustheSavior:
KateQ:
Can you please find me the verse in the bible that says that i have to ask them to pray for me?.Because that i know of, that is a catholic dogma not biblical.
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No one is saying you have to pray to Mary and the saints, but since they share the Beatific Vision of God and are in His presence, their prayers would be very helpful to us.
John 2:1 - 11 might be a good illustration. It’s an example of the influence of The Blessed Virgin… At the wedding feast at Cana, Mary says to Jesus in verse 3 …“They have no wine…” and Jesus replies in verse 4, “O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”
In verse 5, Mary , without responding to jesus, turns to the servants and says,“Do whatever He tells you.”
You know the rest of the story. Jesus turns the water into wine for his first public miracle.
There are many things to be learned from this short exchange, but for this thread, notice that Jesus does not argue with his Mother, nor does he refuse her. He will refuse her nothing.
So if we pray to Mary for her intercession, what a powerful ally she makes for us
The verses I used do not say you have to pray to Mary to intercede for you, but they illustrate that it might be a pretty good idea.
 
Really READ the words, not what you think is there.

Is there anything wrong with and “I ask you to pray for me.”

While in Protestant churches, I know I heard this phrase often.

How is this different. I ask Mary, the angels, the saints and you to pray for me to the Lord our God.

Seems to me Catholics are just getting a little more specific on who we are asking people to pray to. God.
 
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firemnbob:
Have you checked Revelations 8:3-4 to find about praying to the saints?

And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne; 4 and the smoke of the incense rose with the prayers of the saints from the hand of the angel before God.

Does this passage tell us about offering our prayers to the angels and saints? That is what I always thought, but I could be wrong.
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This quote in Revelation is about the end of times,most of this is for what is to come.
Revelation 1:1 “The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw–that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ. 3Blessed is the one who reads the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.”
Revelation 1:17 "When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: "Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
19"Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later. "

This is another subject,those saints he is talking about our the ones from the great tribulation the end of time.
 
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Strider:
No one is saying you have to pray to Mary and the saints, but since they share the Beatific Vision of God and are in His presence, their prayers would be very helpful to us.
John 2:1 - 11 might be a good illustration. It’s an example of the influence of The Blessed Virgin… At the wedding feast at Cana, Mary says to Jesus in verse 3 …“They have no wine…” and Jesus replies in verse 4, “O woman, what have you to do with me? My hour has not yet come.”
In verse 5, Mary , without responding to jesus, turns to the servants and says,“Do whatever He tells you.”
You know the rest of the story. Jesus turns the water into wine for his first public miracle.
There are many things to be learned from this short exchange, but for this thread, notice that Jesus does not argue with his Mother, nor does he refuse her. He will refuse her nothing.
So if we pray to Mary for her intercession, what a powerful ally she makes for us
The verses I used do not say you have to pray to Mary to intercede for you, but they illustrate that it might be a pretty good idea.
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That means that you take one verse in the bible that does not say anything about intercession in prayers for one another,only that Mary said “Do what He tells you”,as she prays for us.
I am sorry it does not make sense to me,but i still respect your opinion.
 
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MariaG:
Really READ the words, not what you think is there.

Is there anything wrong with and “I ask you to pray for me.”

While in Protestant churches, I know I heard this phrase often.

How is this different. I ask Mary, the angels, the saints and you to pray for me to the Lord our God.

Seems to me Catholics are just getting a little more specific on who we are asking people to pray to. God.
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I am specific too, i pray to God in Jesus name,you can not be more specific than that.
 
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