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misslollipops
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misslollipops
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So you were born again twice?
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misslollipops
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Bible is silent on mentally handicapped but God knows their heart.
By baptizing them anyway you are forcing them to be Christian when it may not be in their heart to begin with.
One person cannot force another into being a Christian.
Each must make his own choice to believe.
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Pixie_Dust
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By circumcising their infants, Jewish parents everywhere, even Jesus’ own mother and foster father, forced them to be Covenant Jews. The nerve.
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Gamera
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But millions of people are incapable of “making [their] own choice to believe.” What happens to them? How do they join God’s people?
Parents “force” lots of things on their children. Parents “forced” circumcision on their babies, making them part of the Old Covenant despite their lack of faith.
You just finished saying that parent’s faith can be “applied” to their babies for salvation. So why can’t parents’ faith be “applied” to babies for baptism?
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Teflon93
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More than twice, in fact—I am born again every time I go to Confession, since the sins which drew me away from God are forgiven.
I have only had Original Sin washed away once; that is what baptism does.
The mortal and venial sins freely chosen, however, must be washed away before receiving again the blessed sacrament of the Eucharist. It is the hunger for the Eucharist, for the flesh and blood of the risen Lord, which impels me and so many others to repent, to ask forgiveness, to complete acts of contrition, and to strive to obey Christ’s command to “go and sin no more.”
For if St Peter, foremost of the Apostles, turned away from God in sin and needed to repent, who am I to possess such unmerited pride as to claim I am no sinner, and need no repentance? I will not compound my sins by adding making a liar out of God to the mix!
By God’s grace, one day I hope that through faith and the sacraments I will find myself sinless and pure before His throne, and hear those words we all so long to hear, “Well done, thou good and faithful servant, well done!”
Until then, I will need to be born anew with each Confession.
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misslollipops
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As I have said before Jews are Jewish from their bloodline. Circumsicion does not make a person Jewish.By circumcising their infants, Jewish parents everywhere, even Jesus’ own mother and foster father, forced them to be Covenant Jews. The nerve.
You say baptism makes a baby catholic, not so with circumcision.
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Teflon93
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And the nerve of that Abraham, to show his faith by inflicting pain and death on poor Isaac, too young to make any such choice!By circumcising their infants, Jewish parents everywhere, even Jesus’ own mother and foster father, forced them to be Covenant Jews. The nerve.
But there we go, bringing the whole of Scripture into the fray again.
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Gamera
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You are confusing ethnic Judaism with religious Judaism. Circumcision was indeed what made a male a part of the Old Covenant – he wasn’t a member of the Jewish religion until he was circumcised.
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Linnyo
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My main posts were 105,116,223,357 although I have posted a few in between. I assumed that you ignored them because they are right and you cannot justify an argument against them? Or are you merely trolling?
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Teflon93
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You are conflating the racial and religious aspects of Judaism.
If circumcision were unnecessary, why would Jews practice it?
I can assure you NO man would dream up such a thing!
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Gamera
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Well, it is hard for one person to answer a half-dozen. I’ve been in her position on Evangelical and “non-denom” boards – it’s hard to be just one member trying to reply to a bunch of people at once.
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Teflon93
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I would say she cherrypicks rather than trolls, judging by the large number of open questions she refuses to address and evidence presented which she refuses to acknowledge.
But that’s okay—it’s not as if anyone reading this thread can fail to note this, nor the willingness of Catholics to respond to each question at least.
The truth requires no applause.
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Pier
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& no mother, either!
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Pier
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Actually, many times a day…
everytime I recall the Lord & remain determined to do His Will.
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Pixie_Dust
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They were “circumcised into the Covenant” - Genesis 17
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10This is my covenant which you shall observe, between me and you, and thy seed after thee: All the male kind of you shall be circumcised:
11And you shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin, that it may be for a sign of the covenant between me and you.
12An infant of eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations: he that is born in the house, as well as the bought servant shall be circumcised, and whosoever is not of your stock:
13And my covenant shall be in your flesh for a perpetual covenant.
14**The male, whose dash of his foreskin shall not be circumcised, that soul shall be destroyed out of his people: because he hath broken my covenant. **
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Gamera
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Amen! And I’m so glad that my two-year-old boy is part of the New Covenant by baptism!You’re right - I absolutely agree with you that it didn’t make them Jewish, and I never said it did. What it did was make them partakers of the Covenant. Same as baptism does for us today in the New Covenant. Amen!
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imamom
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Yes
And my son, too at 3 weeks 6 days old.
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burnside
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God knows a baby’s heart as well.Just as a normal adult,not at all handicapped,can apparently make a “conscious” decision to accept Jesus but only God can see into his/her heart.I used to work with a man who went to Sunday School as a child but,as a
middle-aged adult,he was calling the Bible “bunkum”.
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Randy_Carson
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An infant cannot repent nor does an infant need to repent since the infant has not committed personal sins. The infant, has, however, been born with the stain of original sin.
Peter, on the other hand, was speaking to an audience of adults, and he tells them that the promise is “for you and for your children.” He doesn’t say, “for your children as soon as they have reached the age of reason.” This is a Protestant addition to the Word of God.
Please provide a verse that prohibits the baptism of infants. I’m looking for something like, “Do not baptize infants since they cannot repent and believe the good news.”
Do you have anything like that you can quote?
'Cause I have dozens of verses and quotes from the earliest centuries that say the opposite.
Therefore, I need to see something from someone other than Misslollipops as evidence that this is what the Church has historically taught.
Thanks in advance.
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