How do non-denominational Christians pick a church?

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1beleevr said:
Thank you Judas for playing your role to a tee!👍
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Deceiv’st thou me, mine eye? 1beleevr, you may be hanging out on Catholic Answers Forums too much. Now you’re talking to the dead!

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fbl9 said:
You will discover upon reading what is written that a great number of those whom God used did so out of their consent.For example reread the gospel according to St.Luke. Pay very close attention to 1:38 and carefully note verses 41-43 side note on verse 44 a babe in the womb leapin( never knew that the unborn could know God was near.) You should be getting the hint now that Blessed Mary did know…:cool:
God did not use Judas as person but God used Judas’s actions…God used the Blessed Mother as a person by her consent…We see no place in which Judas thanked God for using him.[/QUOT]

I would never suggest that Judas thanked God for using him; that would be absurd:eek:But do you really think that early on,Judas was planning his betrayal? As far as I can see, he was a sticky-fingered, treasurer, who after being entered by Satan hatched his devious scheme(don’t you just love prophecy fulfilled?!) Do you believe then that Pharoah and Delilah thanked God for using them?:cool::cool:
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SonofMonica said:
Deceiv’st thou me, mine eye? 1beleevr, you may be hanging out on Catholic Answers Forums too much. Now you’re talking to the dead!

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O-H, P-U-L-E-A-S-E! Have you never thanked dead people for something; JEEZ!😛
 
1beleevr said:
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O-H, P-U-L-E-A-S-E! Have you never thanked dead people for something; JEEZ!😛
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I’ll agree that it’s okay to thank dead people for something if you’ll agree that it’s okay to ask saints who are alive in Christ to pray for us.

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SonofMonica said:
I’ll agree that it’s okay to thank dead people for something if you’ll agree that it’s okay to ask saints who are alive in Christ to pray for us.

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You are free to ask anyone you want to , to pray for you .:thumbsup:As for me I go direct.
 
SonofMonica said:
Right, as far as I know. I don’t know of any canonization or efforts to have him recognized him as such.
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Just checking. I mean he did play a crucial role, in the oh-so, negative way, which would seem to me to not be worthy of Sainthood.
 
1beleevr said:
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Yes, but Mary could not have known prior to being visited by the angel! She willingly accepted her role, and was an integral part of God’s plan!
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We have Mary agreeing to her role
If you can come up with a credible explanation, of how and why Judas came to enter Christ’s circle and come to betray Him, I am open to listen! I for one do not believe that Judas knew he would betray Jesus,
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so Judas wasn’t asked but was set up??
until Satan was allowed to enter him! But, someone had to betray Christ; it just happened to be Judas. All of the people that God has used, and is still usng, do not always sin, or bring about chaos. Thank you Judas for playing your role to a tee!👍
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When one plays a role they are following a script,which they did not write for themselves.If Judas had not been “sticky” fingered he wouldn’t have been following God’s plan for him.IOW are we just playing a role in a script we did not write?
 
1beleevr said:
]O-H, P-U-L-E-A-S-E! Have you never thanked dead people for something; JEEZ!😛
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That’s so peculiar to hear from a Protestant! * Love* that!! :dancing:

I think it speaks to the fact that those who have eternal life in heaven are not dead, as so many Protestants claim, and can indeed hear us! 👍
 
PRmerger said:
I find it unfathomable that “Christ’s church” would have 40,000 different understandings of God’s Word.

Very clearly this paradigm of people starting their own church because their interpretation of Scripture differs from their pastor is just what the devil ordered. :sad_yes:
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Im not sure you can get that many variations where is the list of theological differences and we can do the math.
 
SonofMonica said:
You’re exactly right.

Let’s see what Luther had to say about Christians and their individual authority: “…every Christian is by faith so exalted above all things that, by virtue of a spiritual power, he is lord of all things without exception, so that nothing can do him any harm. As a matter of fact, all things are made subject to him and are compelled to serve him in obtaining salvation.”

So let’s see how that view starts to play out–Luther starts advocating the removal of scripture from the Bible. Here’s Luther on the book of Revelation: “to my mind it bears upon it no marks of an apostolic or prophetic character… Everyone may form his own judgment of this book; as for myself, I feel an aversion to it, and to me this is sufficient reason for rejecting it.”

Finally, let’s look at where Luther takes this madness–he admits that he added the word “alone” after “faith” in Rom. 3:28, teaching a completely new and false gospel: “If your Papist annoys you with the word (‘alone’), tell him straightway, Dr. Martin Luther will have it so: Papist and *** are one and the same thing. Whoever will not have my translation, let him give it the go-by: the devil’s thanks to him who censures it without my will and knowledge. Luther will have it so, and he is a doctor above all the doctors in Popedom.”

Like the serpent in the garden of Eden, Luther sets himself as the final authority in matters of faith, he attempts to destroy scripture, and he preaches an entirely new gospel. Luther has surely proved to be a wicked and false prophet–one who is to be rejected as any example for the Christian.
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what are your sorces for these quotes?
 
jmcrae said:
It’s the estimated number of formal non-Catholic Christian organizations, based on statistics found in the World Book of Records, plus a random number meant to represent the number of little community-centre churches that are unaffiliated with any formal Christian organization, but style themselves “Christian.”
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most of those churches would all consider themselves apart of one big universal church.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
Im not sure you can get that many variations where is the list of theological differences and we can do the math.
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Actually, MRL, when you do the math the possible permutations for belief systems is in the hundreds of thousands. :bigyikes: And that’s with only taking 21 different doctrinal interpretations.

That was discussed in this thread.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
most of those churches would all consider themselves apart of one big universal church.
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If you look at the Catholic Church, you can see exactly what she believes, what she proclaims, what she teaches (caveat: do not look to Catholics to see what Catholics believe–for you will get as many variations as there are automobiles! 😉 Look to the official teaching of the Church.)

However, “most of those churches” that “consider themselves a part of one big universal church” do not have doctrinal agreement. [SIGN1]In fact, many teach CONTRARY doctrines. [/SIGN1] How can they be ONE if they do not believe the same things about our God?
 
PRmerger said:
See this post, and then this post, to see how mathematically the number of possibilities is astronomical!
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Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it is probable.

Using the “40,000 denominations” cry that the Catholics here like to use, using the law of averages there would only be 20,000 members per denomination which is obviously not true.
 
Xavierlives said:
Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it is probable.

Using the “40,000 denominations” cry that the Catholics here like to use, using the law of averages there would only be 20,000 members per denomination which is obviously not true.
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I assume you are talking about a mean average. How, then, is it obviously not true?
 
Xavierlives said:
Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it is probable.
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Indeed. So there’s a possibility of hundreds of thousands. Possible. Therefore 40,000 denominations is also possible, mathematically.

Why does that number bother you?

I think it’s because you understand its implications–when each person is allowed to be a mini-pope and determine doctrine for himself, this is what happens. And, it also speaks to the fact that reading the very same verses in Scripture does not lead a Christian to a single, unified truth. Another authority is needed–the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth!
 
PRmerger said:
. And, it also speaks to the fact that reading the very same verses in Scripture does not lead a Christian to a single, unified truth. Another authority is needed–the Church, which is the pillar and foundation of truth!
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Yes but for the american mindset to “bow” down to another authority than oneself can be next to impossible.
 
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