I would encourage you, if you get the time over the next 5 weeks, to read John 20:21-23 and learn about the Catholic understanding of this passage and what it means to Catholics in terms of what Christ did with the authority he was given by the Father. God bless you with your commitments, and you are in my prayers, brother.
Among my other commitments is a study of the Book of John, so while I don’t think we will get to John 20 in 5 weeks, we will be there within 8 week. I do recognize the importance of those verses to Catholics (as well as their importance to all Christians). I’ll be happy to discuss sin, forgiveness, and the like. This is an amazing authority given and an interesting demarkation between Catholics and Protestants.
So if a catholic priest teaches a doctrine that doesnt match the official teaching, are they still catholics or are they heratics?
First of all, the word “heretic” appears no where in the Catechism.
If he is preaching heresy, and his Bishop finds out about it, he will be disciplined.
Disciplined like, the leather boot?
But he and his followers, if they believe the heresy are they then no longer Catholics?
They remain catholics in the manner which(standard) they will held accountable to…as such they are still considered christain,but no longer in full union with His church. There is one other factor that is considered in this whole mess and that is: did the holder of heretical befiefs, know the truth in the first place.
So why can anyone use John 9:41 to get out of any sin?
“But now that you say ‘We see’ your sin remains” to say “i see” means you have knowldege of whom Christ is,but refuse Him as who He is.
Bible Churches usually will tell you what the preacher thinks on the subject he has chosen for that week.
Let’s say a priest teaches, “Jesus is not God; he is only a good teacher” and a parishioner knows that the CC teaches the opposite but chooses to follow this priest, then I would say that it’s better that he leaves the CC than believe this heresy and remain a Catholic.
Hi, XL!
Well, lets start with your source. A “denomination” is defined as an organized Christian group within a specific country.
The principle Christ is teaching here is, you are not accountable for sin when you are unaware of it (which was the theme). I am cross apply this to an extreme to make a point. I can just wave a magic wand and say, “Oh… I didn’t know abortion was wrong. I didn’t sin.” We all have that internal moral compass that points directly to God. When you aren’t heading in that direction… you are probably sinning.
Tweetymom,
LOL!! Did you see any of those groups in the list of Christian denominations?
Ok. So then the actual count would be 41,340 minus 1200. Still over 40,000.
I am seeking unity. That’s why I’m here!
I think we can agree that mormonism is NOT a Christian denomination.
Like I said I go direct.Tweetymom,
Yes, it is good to go direct, but have you not read in the Bible where Jesus Christ states where two or more are gathered in my name, there am I, in their misdt.
So therefore it is good to go to a saint, to pray for you, because you and a saint equals two, thus equaling two, that means that Jesus Christ is present in their misdt.
Tweetymom, so it is better to go with two in prayer wether it be a saint or a friend, than go just directly yourself, I mean, if you want, Jesus Christ present in your misdt. Do You?
When I am alone, and I want Jesus Christ in my presence I pray to a Saint, the Saint and I equals two.
Tweetymom, therefore when you are alone and want Jesus Present spiritually there with you go to a saint.
Ufamtobie
I did not pour over a list of 33,000 denominations (In fact I did not see a list of the 33,000). I saw nice round numbers 9,000 protestant, etc. I used the definition supplied to say that my few listed could be somewhere in that list because the definition is all inclusive. I’m not sure if my Tuesday night bible study isn’t included in that list.
Well with the core 12,000 non-denominational what do you expect? Lets say 12,000 Southern Baptist Churches decide to shed the Bapist name, over night then your “denominational list” spikes. That is a ridiculous assertion. It is more likely that 95% of these churches hold core similar views. Because they don’t hold a title you just add them to your list.What is listed are groups of Christians who have read the Bible and have formed doctrines they feel are Biblical, and have felt their doctrines are so different from any existing denomination they have found it necessary to start their own church.
Ok. So then the actual count would be 41,340 minus 1200. Still over 40,000.
Well then I suggest you go have a word with your priest. Ask him 3 things. 1. Does the Bible contradict Joseph Smith, he will answer yes. 2. If Joesph Smith contradicts the Bible can we trust anything this man says? (I’ll let your priest answer). 3. Is the Mormon faith a Christian faith? (I’ll let your priest answer).
The problem here is you are in a pickle. You have having to now defend your list and that list includes Mormons, which (insert priest answer here).
What is my point? You want me and mormons and the rest of the world against you. Only problem is, there are those who are for the body of Christ and there are those against. The 40,130 that you want to exclude are not excluding you. The moment you, you as a person, recognize we are all the catholic church, we will be.
I believe in the catholic church. I include you as a member. For me the number is one but for you the number is 40,141.
You give unity lipservice. But your heart speaks of 40,142.I am seeking unity. That’s why I’m here!
For the catholic church, I say there is but one.