How do Protestants deal with James on faith and works?

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AugustTherese:
What’s there not to understand? This isn’t written in Greek and it does not take a prominent theologian to interpret this. Lack of understanding is due to incorrigibility and a lack of docility. Dogma does not need to be solely declared ex cathedra for it to be Dogma.
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Thanks for proving my earlier point about charity.

Most nonCatholics couldn’t care less.
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Did I call you incorrigible? No! The plain fact as to why many do not want to understand is because of incorrigibility and lack of docility. Again, did I direct that to anyone, individually? No! If I were to say that there are heretics and schismatics alive an well, would you call that uncharitable? I hope not!
 
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guanophore said:
Honestly I can’t experience such a statement as anything other than a judgmental and bigoted point of view.
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I was a Protestant for 25 years! Of course I cannot speak for every single non-Catholic, but I can assure you, as a former Protestant, many are not Catholic because of incorrigibility! I was the epitome of incorrigibility, and so were many of my fellow Protestant friends. Saying this is not meant to be hurtful or callous, it’s just a reality check.
 
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guanophore said:
I do not find myself in a position to admonish my separated brethren
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Admonishing a Protestant is a spiritual work of mercy and every Catholic is obliged to do so when suitable! It is possible to admonish a separated brother in love, tenderness, and gentleness. We are called to admonish anyone who wittingly teaches error and/or causes others to sin, again in love and gentleness.
 
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AugustTherese said:
So…Am I missing something here?
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Yes. You are missing that my issue is with the dogmatic proclamation of the title.
AugustTherese said:
many are not Catholic because of incorrigibility!
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Ok.
AugustTherese said:
Admonishing a Protestant is a spiritual work of mercy and every Catholic is obliged to do so when suitable!
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More power to you. Enjoy yourself.
AugustTherese said:
We are called to admonish anyone who wittingly teaches error and/or causes others to sin
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To tell you the truth, I have found many more Catholics in need than I have Protestants!
 
I can’t speak for anyone else but me, for me faith without works is dead.
 
guanophore said:
It may be that you have very little experience with those who have been reared in non-Catholic ecclesial communities, so you are unable to grasp why this would be hard for them to understand. In fact, the problem for them is that it is NOT in the Greek! The term, and even the concept does not appear to them to be part of the Apostolic deposit of faith.
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Yes, from my point the issue with the current Marian Catholic dogma is that it’s so late. It gives the impression of the Mormon continuous revelations.
If someone in their private devotions wanted to expound on immaculate conception, assumption and mediatrix of all graces that’s nice. Setting those concept as required belief does drive a sharp wedge between otherwise close-ish faith traditions.
 
AugustTherese said:
Did I call you incorrigible? No! The plain fact as to why many do not want to understand is because of incorrigibility and lack of docility. Again, did I direct that to anyone, individually? No! If I were to say that there are heretics and schismatics alive an well, would you call that uncharitable? I hope not!
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It’s a blanket judgmental statement. And the problem is it releases you as a Catholic from explaining it.
 
AugustTherese said:
I was a Protestant for 25 years! Of course I cannot speak for every single non-Catholic, but I can assure you, as a former Protestant, many are not Catholic because of incorrigibility! I was the epitome of incorrigibility, and so were many of my fellow Protestant friends. Saying this is not meant to be hurtful or callous, it’s just a reality check.
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Maybe you need to define incorrigible, because on its face it sounds judgemental, uncharitable, and triumphalist.
I person secure in their faith is not going to be moved by an an approach that they need to be “corrected, improved, or reformed.”
 
AugustTherese said:
Admonishing a Protestant is a spiritual work of mercy and every Catholic is obliged to do so when suitable! It is possible to admonish a separated brother in love, tenderness, and gentleness. We are called to admonish anyone who wittingly teaches error and/or causes others to sin, again in love and gentleness.
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Referring to them using terms like incorrigible probably will have limited success
 
JonNC said:
Referring to them using terms like incorrigible probably will have limited success
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Except I’m not calling anyone incorrigible as a person or even a group of persons. I’m saying that many do not understand because of incorrigibility.

When a person or group of persons acts in an uncharitable way, we are obliged to admonish them; “You are acting uncharitable (incorrigible) and you should stop, please.” That’s not a lack of charity, but charity itself. Just because that person acts stubborn and refuses to be corrected does not negate the charitable admonishment.

And, frankly, you have personally called me a “triumphalist” on more than one occasion. Do I get offended? Nope, because I expect persecution daily. 🙂
 
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AugustTherese said:
And, frankly, you have personally called me a “triumphalist” on more than one occasion. Do I get offended? Nope, because I expect persecution daily.
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Actually, I said what you wrote sounds triumphalist, if you ho back and read it.
Persecution? From sweet little ole’ me? Surely you jest
 
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