How do the Orthodox view the Eastern Catholics?

[Hesychios]

The thing that bugs me is the EO insistence on it. They’re rather beating a dead horse. If there was a dallience, it didn’t last.

I think this may be a reference to my posts.

That’s OK.

I am sorry to have hurt you, my posts are in no way to be taken as an attack on the Maronite church. I am sorry that it looks that way. I just wish that we could forget who or what I am and just address the facts.

Am I right or not?

Unfortunately the fiction is repeated often, usually by Roman Catholics for their own reasons, not usually by Maronites.

I know that the Maronite autonomous particular Sui Iuris Patriarchal church is 100% Catholic today, and the obscure past is not relevant to today. Also the Melkites are 100% Catholic today, and what happened between 1054AD and 1724AD is not relevant to the Melkites anymore. The Syriac Catholics too are 100% Catholic now, and what happened between Chalcedon and 1783AD is not relevant to today.

And I don’t appreciate the negative aspersions they inevitably cast upon the inception of the Maronite Patriarchate, while turning a blind eye to the artificially created Byzantine “Patriarchate” of Antioch.

I am not here to attack the Maronite Patriarchate, nor to sugar coat the origins of the Byzantine Patriarchates of Antioch and Alexandria. I know some of the quirky unpleasant history behind it, ie the politics and the persecutions.

When a Catholic repeats a fiction about the anything on the internet are we to give them a pass and pretend we didn’t read it because they are Catholic and this is a Catholic website? When someone else attempts to correct a misconception we are to object because the poster is Orthodox… or Buddhist or an atheist?

Again, I am sorry to have offended you and the Maronite church. It was never my intention.

 

[malphono]

I think this may be a reference to my posts.

When I spoke of “damage” in my earlier [post=5778823]post[/post], it was in agreement with yeshua’s prior [post=5778356]comment[/post] about damage, meaning damage within the Maronite Church. It had nothing directly to do with anything else in this thread.

What did (and does) bear, though, are the words that preceded it, i.e., that some folks insist on making more of the Maronite’s alleged dallience with monotholetism than necessary.

Unfortunately the fiction is repeated often, usually by Roman Catholics for their own reasons, not usually by Maronites.

I know that the Maronite autonomous particular Sui Iuris Patriarchal church is 100% Catholic today, and the obscure past is not relevant to today. Also the Melkites are 100% Catholic today, and what happened between 1054AD and 1724AD is not relevant to the Melkites anymore. The Syriac Catholics too are 100% Catholic now, and what happened between Chalcedon and 1783AD is not relevant to today.

I am not here to attack the Maronite Patriarchate, nor to sugar coat the origins of the Byzantine Patriarchates of Antioch and Alexandria. I know some of the quirky unpleasant history behind it, ie the politics and the persecutions.

Yes, some in the Roman Church (and some Maronites, too) tout it, but I’m not one who does: note the second sentence in my prior post:

I frankly care less about the “perpetual communion” aspect.

At the same time, though, I’ll say that it would only have been the Maronite’s alleged dallience with monotholetism that would have interfered with communion. And of course the word “communion” does not mean only with “communion with Rome.”

Beyond that, whether or not there was “contact” is meaningless. It would appear that the Byzantine polemics (which exist alongside the Roman apologetics) in the matter stem from the Maronites’ having refused to kowtow to Constantinople.

When a Catholic repeats a fiction about the anything on the internet are we to give them a pass and pretend we didn’t read it because they are Catholic and this is a Catholic website? When someone else attempts to correct a misconception we are to object because the poster is Orthodox… or Buddhist or an atheist?

No, but in this case I find use of the words “fiction,” “correct,” and “misconception” to be a bit inappropriate. IMO, it would be more accurate to have used qualifiers since the matter is not as cut-and-dried as you seem to think.

Again, I am sorry to have offended you and the Maronite church. It was never my intention.

Thank you. That is appreciated. I’ll add that I am not interested in a row either.

 

[eichenb2]

Glory to Jesus Christ!

There’s usually a wide variety of opinion on the subject, but I would say that most Orthodox view the Eastern Catholics as brothers and sisters that left for a different mother and should return to their original mother. I see it as a false unity between ECs and Rome, but obviously ECs would disagree. I do NOT see them as without grace because I cannot say where God’s grace is not, but I can say where it is.

Just one sinner’s opinion.

In Christ,
Andrew

You said “should return to their original mother”. What do you mean? Who is the ecclesial (and specifically hierarchially) mother that they should return to??? Maybe when the “Orthodox” churches agree, among themselves, about ecclesial authority, they can address their relationship to The Church.

 

[Madaglan]

You said “should return to their original mother”. What do you mean? Who is the ecclesial (and specifically hierarchially) mother that they should return to??? Maybe when the “Orthodox” churches agree, among themselves, about ecclesial authority, they can address their relationship to The Church.

Perhaps the elder Churches from whom they received the Faith?

 

[marlo]

this post should be in the Non-Catholic Religions

moderator, please! thanks

 

[eichenb2]

Perhaps the elder Churches from whom they received the Faith?

From where or whom does any “church” recieve her faith?

 

[Cecilianus]

Perhaps the elder Churches from whom they received the Faith?

Wouldn’t that be Rome, for most of the Uniates?

Since it was the Pope who sent Sts. Cyril and Methodius to evangelize the Slavs.

 

[eichenb2]

Wouldn’t that be Rome, for most of the Uniates?

Since it was the Pope who sent Sts. Cyril and Methodius to evangelize the Slavs.

Buen Dicho! Well Said!
ALL churches received their faith through the Apostles, from Christ; who appointed Peter. So…the “Orthodox” churches should have to come home to Rome, in order to return to their Mother.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

i’m very curious so any help is much appreciated

May I ask why?

What does it matter what someone thinks of someone elses Church affiliation?

 

[Addai]

May I ask why?

What does it matter what someone thinks of someone elses Church affiliation?

Well I can think of a few reasons for the question. For example, if your Catholic going to an EC and interested in visiting an Orthodox parish, some folks who are skittish, might want to know that before they possibly enter hostile territory.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Well I can think of a few reasons for the question. For example, if your Catholic going to an EC and interested in visiting an Orthodox parish, some folks who are skittish, might want to know that before they possibly enter hostile territory.

Is there a need to proclaim that you are EC?

 

[Angel_Gabriel]

May I ask why?

What does it matter what someone thinks of someone elses Church affiliation?

well, I suppose it doesn’t really matter what anyone thinks of my specific Church choice…The point of this thread was b/c i was curious how the Orthodox view the Eastern Catholics (and indeed ALL catholics yet I was more curious of the Eastern Catholics since they share so many things in common).

I regard the Orthodox very highly as they are indeed an Apostolic Church. However, I have only met 1 Orthodox person in my life so far and am limited in my knowledge of the Eastern Churches although i am trying to learn as much as possible. I myself, feel very drawn towards the East but from what I’ve gathered thus far, the Orthodox seem to regard Catholics somewhat as how Catholics regard Protestants (somewhat beneath them)…i hope that makes sense…I’m really not trying to be rude or anything so please forgive me if i sound that way…this is just what my experience has been from lurking in forums…

 

[Madaglan]

Wouldn’t that be Rome, for most of the Uniates?

Since it was the Pope who sent Sts. Cyril and Methodius to evangelize the Slavs.

I thought Sts. Cyril and Methodius were invited into Greater Moravia by Prince Ratislav, who asked the Byzantine emperor for Christian missionaries.

The mother of all Churches is the Church of Jerusalem, from which the Apostles were sent to evangelize.

 

[Cluny]

You’re right, Madalan.

Patriarch St. Photius sent Ss Cyril and Methodius to the Moravians. At the time, there was friction to the point of schism between St. Photius and Pope Nicholas.

They ran into trouble with the German missionaries, who objected to their using Slavonic, so the went to Rome and put their mission directly under Papal protection.

Pope Nicholas approved their work, ordered copies of their Slavonic books to be placed on the altars of the major basilicas in Rome, and had the Slavonic liturgy celebrated in his presence.

This shows, btw, that Ss. Cyril and Methodius considered the split between the Patriarch and Pope to be merely a person quarrel that did not directly affect them.

I have been told by an Egyptian Melkite priest that in the Middle East, those who are strict in their observance and practice of the faith (especially with the fasts) are always considered Orthodox, and those who are not so strict are considered Melkites, regardless of the jurisdictional affiliation of the parish they attend.

 

[Madaglan]

I have been told by an Egyptian Melkite priest that in the Middle East, those who are strict in their observance and practice of the faith (especially with the fasts) are always considered Orthodox, and those who are not so strict are considered Melkites, regardless of the jurisdictional affiliation of the parish they attend.

That’s a new one to me!

 

[Formosus]

Wouldn’t that be Rome, for most of the Uniates?

Since it was the Pope who sent Sts. Cyril and Methodius to evangelize the Slavs.

I suggest you don’t use that term ever again on this board as it is against the rules.

“Knowing the offense taken by many of the Eastern and Oriental Catholics who post here, and knowing the historical context for their concern, using the term uniate as a generic descriptor for Catholics of the Eastern and Oriental Churches who are in union with Rome is by nature confrontational and uncharitable and as such is not allowed. Likewise, the use of the terms schismatic or heretic may not be used as generic descriptors for any of the Eastern or Oriental Churches, whether Catholic or Orthodox.”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=243365

 

[Addai]

Is there a need to proclaim that you are EC?

Well I imagine that could come up in conversation.

 

[Cecilianus]

I suggest you don’t use that term ever again on this board as it is against the rules.

“Knowing the offense taken by many of the Eastern and Oriental Catholics who post here, and knowing the historical context for their concern, using the term uniate as a generic descriptor for Catholics of the Eastern and Oriental Churches who are in union with Rome is by nature confrontational and uncharitable and as such is not allowed. Likewise, the use of the terms schismatic or heretic may not be used as generic descriptors for any of the Eastern or Oriental Churches, whether Catholic or Orthodox.”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=243365

Mea culpa. I obviously didn’t intend it in a derogatory manner, being myself one (or going to an Eastern-rite parish, at any rate - I haven’t requested permission for a canonical transfer yet).

 

[Formosus]

I didn’t believe you did. Just giving you a heads up.

 

[Hesychios]

You said “should return to their original mother”. What do you mean? Who is the ecclesial (and specifically hierarchially) mother that they should return to??? Maybe when the “Orthodox” churches agree, among themselves, about ecclesial authority, they can address their relationship to The Church.

Perhaps the elder Churches from whom they received the Faith?

Wouldn’t that be Rome, for most…?

Since it was the Pope who sent Sts. Cyril and Methodius to evangelize the Slavs.

Buen Dicho! Well Said!

Since he was wrong, I guess it was not very well said. As stated above, it was saint Photios who organized the mission to the Slavs, at the behest of the Prince of Great Moravia. It was Saint Photios who assigned Cyril and Methodios to this task, and funded it. Cluny described the situation pretty well.

Michael