There is always adoption if you want children. My parents adopted me and I couldn’t ask for better parents.I can’t believe that no one’s called you out on this statement. It is horribly rude and unkind to couples who have no children due to infertility. Of course we are families.
Perhaps before you worry about chivalry, you should learn compassion and tact.
That’s the northeast. Everybody knows the North starts at I-10.
All you have that is different are ribs, kudzu, and sweet tea, right? I’ve only been to the South once for Disney World, and that was when I was very young, so I don’t remember anything.That’s the northeast. Everybody knows the North starts at I-10.
Surf(name removed by moderator)ure is right…it’s all in good fun. But our food IS pretty durn good.
I’m really sorry. I really didn’t mean to offend. I meant those who chose not to have children because they think them as a burden. Those who are infertile and would love to have children if they could, I don’t think would fall in this category. Those who get married with the intention of not having children (while having the ability to do so) are not married at all. That’s Church teaching. You must be infertile and I know that I have hurt and offended you. I should have been more clear and I’m sorry.I can’t believe that no one’s called you out on this statement. It is horribly rude and unkind to couples who have no children due to infertility. Of course we are families.
Perhaps before you worry about chivalry, you should learn compassion and tact.
Thanks, I’m well aware of the option.
Apology accepted. And yes, you are correct that couples who intend to never have children at the time of marriage are invalidly married.
Ha ha…we do have ribs (everywhere has ribs I thought) but not much kudzu and sweet tea is a strange, strange thing from east of here. We have flautas and chopped beef sandwiches and Dr Pepper and Ziegenbock!! And a huge superiority complex from being our own country for just a few years! So you don’t see a problem in a woman asking a man for a date and then expecting him to pay for it, or a man and a woman who date each other exclusively and the woman never offers to pay?
What I see there are situations where two adults have free will and no one has a gun to their head. So the woman has every right to refuse to date the man if he won’t pay, and the man has every right to stop dating the woman if she won’t pay and he expects her to. Sounds like two people who have incompatible values and should not date, period.
I was raised with the understanding that men and women are equal and should be treated accordingly. I know one girl who has an air of entitlement, and she will be five years old in two weeks and screams and throws a tantrum if she doesn’t get her “baba” of milk when she wants it. Any woman who comes to a date that she asked for thinking that the man should pay for it just because he’s a man and she’s entitled to a free meal for being a woman probably had a similar start in life.
What has to be taken into account is that “dating” and “women” have both been redefined in our culture since in the 1950s. Customs have changed, as has the financial picture. Men (and boys) no longer ask women on formal dates (it was once considered brazen for a girl to ask guy out, or to pursue him at all like they do now). He doesn’t usually come in to meet her dad (because most “dating” goes on well past the age it used to). He doesn’t even usually pick her up (she’s just as likely to do the driving, and sometimes they meet somewhere). And because women are as likely to be working as men, he doesn’t automatically have more cash to spend.
Well, it would be even worse manners for a woman to ask out a man on a date, and any man who accepts deserves whatever he gets.
I am old fashioned, I would never ask a guy out. And my husband when we were dating and I attempted to pay he was insulted. I never did THAT again. I am in my 50’s (late) and I suppose of that generation where we opened our own door…but still if a man were to do it for me I never fussed about it and liked it very much. I was raised mostly in southern Cali where rather then calling them rude or some such they are probably better defined as being ‘casual’; but still respectful. Of course if it is mutual I don’t think there is anything wrong with the dutch thing.
I agree in equality too. It works both ways. You have a right to not date someone who won’t pay, just like she does.
I’m not sure to whose standards you are referring, but a word spoken in love: It will help all of us to converse freely and charitably if anger and harsh words are not injected into the conversation. We are brothers and sisters here. Imperfect, all, and none of us reached the beatific vision yet, but still in the image of God and in His service. So I know some of us have inadvertently gotten your feathers ruffled, but please overlook what you find offensive and speak with compassion. I don’t believe anyone here meant any harm.
As a woman in my 50s, I can assure you that the vast majority of us of my generation were not “radically obnoxious” about men holding doors, etc. As usual, the obnoxious ones made their way into the spotlight while the rest of us, the “silent majority,” went quietly about our business, thanking those who showed us respect and courtesy. And I’m a lifelong Michiganian, BTW. I don’t know what “little things that just didn’t matter” you are referring to about salaries, hiring, etc., but imagine for a moment that you are a woman working in a factory during the 1960’s, and that you doing the exact same work as anyone else, male or female…but the men are making 15% more. Now imagine that you have been there for ten years with an excellent work record, but when the foreman job comes up, your application is denied solely because you are a woman. Now tell me how that “doesn’t matter.”
But in any case, the man who holds the door for me will get a “thank you” and a smile, with eye contact. 
I’m starting to think that you misunderstand what I’m trying to say. If I asked a girl for a date, I would pay. If the girl asked me for a date, I’d expect her to pay. If we were dating each other frequently, I’d think it would be appropriate to go Dutch or alternate. I think the person who asks for the date should be respectful and attentive to the person they asked on the date, but I think that things like opening the car door for the girl every time both get in or the boy throwing his coat over puddles ranks up there with the boy trying to woo the girl with Shakespeare quotes.
Really; he should learn some real poetry and woo a girl with some verses from Hopkins or Emerson or something.
I meant that it ranks up there with quoting Shakespeare in terms of cheesiness and insincerity.Really; he should learn some real poetry and woo a girl with some verses from Hopkins or Emerson or something.
And btw it’s not romantic to memorize three lines and repeat them without contextual reason and get visibly irritated when they don’t impress. It’s not a magic formula. It’s poetry. Just thought I’d get that out of the way.
