How Do You Understand Church Teaching About Our Blessed Mother?

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A week ago, I prayed the on the rosary beads for the first time. It was absolutely wonderful! It brings forth a profound sense of Love. We always call upon our own mother she when we need help why not call on the Mother of Jesus. Women seem to always be undermined since the beginning of time. It’s time we treat all women like the Holy Mother. She brings our cares and fears directly to Jesus.
Let us pray with and for Her, always.

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee dowecry,poorbanishedchildrenofEve.Totheedowesendupoursighs, mourn- ing and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.
 
Magdalena59 said:
Don Ruggero

I am very sorry. That was a typographical error. I meant to put Pope Leo XIII, not Pope Leo III.

You will find it in Divinum Illud Munus
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON THE HOLY SPIRIT
MAY 9, 1897

“she is justly called His Spouse”

Thank you.
Have a good day.
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Dear sister Magdalena,

Thank you for posting that quotation from Pope Leo 13th who, as I’ve heard ,wrote 11
encyclicals on the Rosary (does anyone know if that is true?).

(And thanks again for the video about Mary as Coredemptrix with Fr. Fehlner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate)
youtube.com/watch?v=R-p2D8Mfrqg

Pope Leo 13th beatified st. Louis De Montfort and granted an indulgence to anyone who would pray his prayer of consecration to Jesus Christ through our Blessed Mediatrix.

It is so beautiful to think of Our Lady as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, which makes sense, though, given the marital language used in Scripture describing how Mary will come to conceive God the Son in her womb, become flesh.

But Maximilian Kolbe says that the spousal analogy is very inadequate to describe the depth of the complete union of Mary and the Holy Spirit, which is such that the Holy Spirit does everything through Mary, the temple of all the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Here is Pope Leo 13th describing the Holy Spirit, Mary’s Spouse, as the Soul of the Church.

This means that Mary is the Spouse of the Church’s Soul, and is always working in our souls as our Mother.
Let it suffice to state that, as Christ is the Head of the Church, so is the Holy Ghost her soul. “What the soul is in our body, that is the Holy Ghost in Christ’s body, the Church” (St. Aug., Serm. 187, de Temp.). …

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7. The manner and extent of the action of the Holy Ghost in individual souls is no less wonderful, although somewhat more difficult to understand, inasmuch as it is entirely invisible. This outpouring of the Spirit is so abundant, that Christ Himself, from whose gift it proceeds, compares it to an overflowing river, according to those words of St. John: “He that believeth in Me, as the Scripture saith, out of his midst shall flow rivers of livingwater”…

… You know wellthe intimate and wonderful relations existing between her and the Holy Ghost, so that she is justly called His Spouse. … May she continue to strengthen our prayers withher suffrages…
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w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_09051897_divinum-illud-munus.html

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
 
patricius79 said:
Dear Father Ruggero,

I know you are a theologian.

Would you be willing to give an example of a quotation from the Magisterium which can show why you think I am mistaken?

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
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I havent read all replies.

Question for you Patricius, mate, who do you believe works on writing, studying, affirming,validating, verifying Magisterium, and on the Vatican / Bishop type documents?

I could be wrong, but I believe it would be men in the employ of God, having studied to a high level, post grad and beyond. Those with a background of a life experience in these matters.

Those like Don Ruggero perhaps. Afterall he has the qualifications.

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BigBabba said:
A week ago, I prayed the on the rosary beads for the first time. It was absolutely wonderful! It brings forth a profound sense of Love. We always call upon our own mother she when we need help why not call on the Mother of Jesus. Women seem to always be undermined since the beginning of time. It’s time we treat all women like the Holy Mother. She brings our cares and fears directly to Jesus.
Let us pray with and for Her, always.

Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee dowecry,poorbanishedchildrenofEve.Totheedowesendupoursighs, mourn- ing and weeping in this valley of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us; and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.
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Dear BigBabba, (my brother?),

Thanks be to God! What led you to pray on the Rosary beads? That is a wonderful grace from God.

How hard the devil works to keep us from loving our Mother and depending on our Mother like little children.

Just as you say, it is so simple: she brings our cares and fears to Jesus Christ, our Lord.

As St. Louis says in True Devotion to Mary, the more we look to our Mother, the Mother of God, the more perfectly we will find Jesus Christ (God).

In the Hail Holy Queen Prayer which you quote, Mary is even called “our hope”, because of her perfect union with God.

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
 
patricius79 said:
Dear sister Magdalena,

Thank you for posting that quotation from Pope Leo 13th who, as I’ve heard ,wrote 11
encyclicals on the Rosary (does anyone know if that is true?).

(And thanks again for the video about Mary as Coredemptrix with Fr. Fehlner of the Franciscans of the Immaculate)
youtube.com/watch?v=R-p2D8Mfrqg

Pope Leo 13th beatified st. Louis De Montfort and granted an indulgence to anyone who would pray his prayer of consecration to Jesus Christ through our Blessed Mediatrix.

It is so beautiful to think of Our Lady as the Spouse of the Holy Spirit, which makes sense, though, given the marital language used in Scripture describing how Mary will come to conceive God the Son in her womb, become flesh.

But Maximilian Kolbe says that the spousal analogy is very inadequate to describe the depth of the complete union of Mary and the Holy Spirit, which is such that the Holy Spirit does everything through Mary, the temple of all the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Here is Pope Leo 13th describing the Holy Spirit, Mary’s Spouse, as the Soul of the Church.

This means that Mary is the Spouse of the Church’s Soul, and is always working in our souls as our Mother.
Let it suffice to state that, as Christ is the Head of the Church, so is the Holy Ghost her soul*. “What the soul is in our body, that is the Holy Ghost in Christ’s body, the Church” (St. Aug., Serm. 187, de Temp.). …

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7. The manner and extent of the action of the Holy Ghost in individual souls is no less wonderful, although somewhat more difficult to understand, inasmuch as it is entirely invisible. This outpouring of the Spirit is so abundant, that Christ Himself, from whose gift it proceeds, compares it to an overflowing river, according to those words of St. John: “He that believeth in Me, as the Scripture saith, out of his midst shall flow rivers of livingwater”…

… You know wellthe intimate and wonderful relations existing between her and the Holy Ghost, so that she is justly called His Spouse. … May she continue to strengthen our prayers withher suffrages…

w2.vatican.va/content/leo-xiii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_l-xiii_enc_09051897_divinum-illud-munus.html

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
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Ah, quote mining. :rolleyes:

We understand the Church’s teaching on Mary.

What we don’t understand is why you’ve twisted it, brought it to disrepute, and basically set yourself up as the prime interpreter of Tradition.

And to further add chaff to your threshing floor, you’ve been manipulative and even dared to harass and disrespect God’s priest.

You have dishonored the Mother of God, and you have put yourself against her Son.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
I havent read all replies.

Question for you Patricius, mate, who do you believe works on writing, studying, affirming,validating, verifying Magisterium, and on the Vatican / Bishop type documents?

I could be wrong, but I believe it would be men in the employ of God, having studied to a high level, post grad and beyond. Those with a background of a life experience in these matters.

Those like Don Ruggero perhaps. Afterall he has the qualifications.

😇
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Dear sister Roseeurekacross,

I think it’s wonderful that we have priests who carefullly study Church teaching and we should listen to them, and agree with them when they are teaching in union with the doctors and saints of the Church and the Magisterium.

St. Louis De Montfort (approved by JPII and other Popes), St. Alphonsus Liguori (doctor of the Church and author of the Glories of Mary), St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Bernard are good examples, along with Popes like John Paul II and Benedict 15th who teach that Mary is Coredemptrix.

As Pope Pius 9th notes in his Apostolic Constitution, Ineffabilis Deus, the fathers of the Church overflowed with expressions of wonder at the sublime goodness of our Mother, the Mother of God.

They (the fathres) said she was holier than holiness, more beautiful than beauty.

They even used adjectives like “almost infinite” to describe the overflowing mercy and grace of this Spouse of the Holy Spirit!

All this is in keeping with the incomprehensible mercy of God the Son becoming the son of his own creature.

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
 
patricius79 said:
Dear sister Roseeurekacross,

I think it’s wonderful that we have priests who carefullly study Church teaching and we should listen to them, and agree with them when they are teaching in union with the doctors and saints of the Church and the Magisterium.

St. Louis De Montfort (approved by JPII and other Popes), St. Alphonsus Liguori (doctor of the Church and author of the Glories of Mary), St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Bernard are good examples, along with Popes like John Paul II and Benedict 15th who teach that Mary is Coredemptrix.

As Pope Pius 9th notes in his Apostolic Constitution, Ineffabilis Deus, the fathers of the Church overflowed with expressions of wonder at the sublime goodness of our Mother, the Mother of God.

They (the fathres) said she was holier than holiness, more beautiful than beauty.

They even used adjectives like “almost infinite” to describe the overflowing mercy and grace of this Spouse of the Holy Spirit!

All this is in keeping with the incomprehensible mercy of God the Son becoming the son of his own creature.

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
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It would pay your energy if you focused on this statement more closely than your own interpretation of it.
 
Dear (name removed by moderator),

Yes, it’s important to understand that while the Mother of God approaches as nearly to God as is possible for a created being, she is a creature, and is thus infinitely less than God, the Trinity.

I agree that we should listen with discernment to priests of our God and be happy to gain a deeper understanding of the mystery of the Incarnation.

We can respectfully listen to other laypeople also, and–in a spirit of being children of God and of Mary–seek a deeper understanding of Tradition.

It can be good to listen directly to the Vicars of Christ and Councils like Vatican II. The goal is to charitably learn and share more about our Mother, the Mother of God.

For example, I had read that Pope St. Pius 10th had taught that there is no surer way than Mary in uniting all men to Christ . And this is true.

Now I’m learning that he also affirms the mystical reality of our spiritual conception in Mary’s womb in the Incarnation, as members of the mystical Body of Christ.

Here is Pope St. Pius 10th in Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum

*Wherefore in the same holy bosom of his most chaste Mother Christ took to Himself flesh, and united to Himself the spiritual body formed by those who were to believe in Him. Hence Mary, carrying the Savior within her, may be said to have also carried all those whose life was contained in the life of the Savior. *
w2.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_02021904_ad-diem-illum-laetissimum.html

Such realities are so profound that even when we know them intellectually, we can benefit greatly by praying together for understanding, and respectfully discussing the meaning of this great mystery.

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
 
Hi patricius79,

I will have to undergo a major spine surgery in my neck in about 6 weeks. I have been doing a lot a prayers involving anxiety and fear I came across some rosary beads I have and decided why not? It was wonderful. The repetition of the prayers and attention to the five mysteries really relaxed me. They made me realize that you can always lean on you mother literally and figuratively. She is always there to " wipe away the tears and fears". I’m am going to try and do the rosary daily as well as read Gods words in the Bible. Thank you for the kind words. God bless
 
We have a better chance of making contact with Martians than with the mods doing something about this heretical thread. The lack of response and accountability with moderation these days is appalling. Apparently you can say anything you want without repercussions.
 
BigBabba said:
Hi patricius79,

I will have to undergo a major spine surgery in my neck in about 6 weeks. I have been doing a lot a prayers involving anxiety and fear I came across some rosary beads I have and decided why not? It was wonderful. The repetition of the prayers and attention to the five mysteries really relaxed me. They made me realize that you can always lean on you mother literally and figuratively. She is always there to " wipe away the tears and fears". I’m am going to try and do the rosary daily as well as read Gods words in the Bible. Thank you for the kind words. God bless
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You got my prayers.
 
patricius79 said:
Dear sister Roseeurekacross,

I think it’s wonderful that we have priests who carefullly study Church teaching and we should listen to them, and agree with them when they are teaching in union with the doctors and saints of the Church and the Magisterium.

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Pat, excellent. Take your own advice. Listen to the Priest, who knows, he could be a Bishop/Cardinal, even the retired Pope!
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St. Louis De Montfort (approved by JPII and other Popes), St. Alphonsus Liguori (doctor of the Church and author of the Glories of Mary), St. Maximilian Kolbe and St. Bernard are good examples, along with Popes like John Paul II and Benedict 15th who teach that Mary is Coredemptrix.

As Pope Pius 9th notes in his Apostolic Constitution, Ineffabilis Deus, the fathers of the Church overflowed with expressions of wonder at the sublime goodness of our Mother, the Mother of God.

They (the fathres) said she was holier than holiness, more beautiful than beauty.

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Pat. And we rely on the Church, today, through its teachers, to determine and explain their teachings.
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They even used adjectives like “almost infinite” to describe the overflowing mercy and grace of this Spouse of the Holy Spirit!

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PAT, ST JOSEPH WAS THE SPOUSE OF THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY.
The Blessed Virgin Mary did not become a Bride of Christ.
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All this is in keeping with the incomprehensible mercy of God the Son becoming the son of his own creature.

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Pat. I am sure that statement is in error somehow.
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Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
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BigBabba said:
Hi patricius79,

I will have to undergo a major spine surgery in my neck in about 6 weeks. I have been doing a lot a prayers involving anxiety and fear I came across some rosary beads I have and decided why not? It was wonderful. The repetition of the prayers and attention to the five mysteries really relaxed me. They made me realize that you can always lean on you mother literally and figuratively. She is always there to " wipe away the tears and fears". I’m am going to try and do the rosary daily as well as read Gods words in the Bible. Thank you for the kind words. God bless
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Dear BigBabba,

I would be very afraid too. I also have serious health issues and experience a great need for the constant help of our Mother. You will be in my prayers to Jesus through Mary.

What you describe in your newfound relationship is what the Popes encourage us to do: to rely on her in all things. I feel great joy that you have found your Mother in a deeper way.

Yes, as St. Alphonsus Liguori (Bishop and doctor of the Church) emphasizes over and over, Mary yearns for us to depend on her, and call out to her, as little children depend on their mothers… And this is the will of Jesus Christ.

The Magisterium describes Mary as the neck of the mystical Body of Jesus Christ. She connects us to Jesus and transmits to us all his tender influences and directions.
w2.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_02021904_ad-diem-illum-laetissimum.html

Again, thanks be to G
 
pianistclare said:
God bless. Don’t take this disturbed thread of emblematic of what the Church says about Our Lady. There are many good books, which I sure someone can post up for you to read.
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Greetings Gods loved one,
Thank you so much for your replies. In keeping with the spirit of coming together to reason with each other I would like to, if you can be so patient with me, comment on your replies. I feel they haven’t really enlightened my ignorance as much as I had hoped.
Concerning my points,
1: When they gathered together in the upper room Mary was mentioned. Yet she was merely mentioned in a passing fashion as a background character to an historical event. Considering what previously transpired it by no means, that I can see, would have been unreasonable that she would have been there. None of the apostles acknowledge her central roll in this scene, she didn’t preside over the meeting she was as far as the bible describes it, simply there. There’s not enough information to determine why or what part she played in the meeting if any. I can only presume you didn’t mean they were mourning her passing at the meeting? Nowhere in the bible does it say anything about her passing or anyone mourning her. You’ve confused me with this statement. Indeed she is in the new testament but where do you say they reference Mary as a part of their message? As for Mary in the Revelation, this is pure theological speculation and tautological manipulation. Incidentally we cannot find Justin, Irenaeus or any of the other early Christians associating the woman of the apocalypse with Mary, curious if she was so central to the message. Revelation is such a notoriously hard book to decipher that you’ll find many different scholars with different interpretations however if you stick with early tradition she’s nowhere to be found for many many years.
2: Again I ask, why was Mary frightened? Why should such a pure soul, favored by God, and in union with his will be afraid of his messenger? I ask who among the righteous would say no to Gods will? Contrast Manoah’s wife’s reaction in Judges 13:2. She too was visited by an angel. She did not question the possibility of the message, and there’s no indication of fear. Yet Marry questioned the possibility of the Message…“how can this be…”,she said. Previous to this statement, unless you seriously mess with the chronology of the verses, Mary WAS told what she would do, who her child would become, Luke 1:31 ("…You will conceive…", " You are to call him Jesus") then Luke 1:32 goes on to tell her just how great he would be, leaving out the part about the crucifixion which may have been a factor in her decision. We’ll never know.
She was never asked IF she would do these things. Not once. Not according to the bible. Given the build up of the angel about how awesome her child would be why in the world would a child of her upbringing in her culture in her time ever say no to such a thing? It would have been every girls dream to birth a king in her day. She probably had no clue of the heartbreak she would have to endure. Hardly a test of her fidelity to God. Now being asked up front to sacrifice your son, as Abraham was, now that’s a test of your willingness to say yes. She on the other hand probably thought she was to be Mother to an all too earthly King and live happily ever after. Also, if you pay attention to the context of verse 1:38, after having been told about her great son to be, its as I would expect a child to behave. She hopes and prays that Gods word and her dreams of a happy life will come true. Hardly extraordinary behavior. Way over aggrandized through the centuries for some reason. As the angel said in its greeting, Mary was blessed because God chose her to bare the Christ child, not because she said yes. Anyway, given these scriptural facts, how can you say she said yes to anything? Is it simply because she actually did give birth like God said she would?
3: You’ve never answered the question. From where did fear originate? Let me tell you my thoughts, fear originated after Adam and Eve sinned. Gen 3:10. They were afraid of God after this because of their shame for their transgressions. A pure soul, untainted by original sin should be untainted by fear. The pure of heart and soul see only good. Fear is not good. Compare Rev. 21:4. There will be no fear in Heaven. For there all souls are pure.

Reread my original question 3. The first sentence assumes Mary’s pure state without original sin. After that stated premise I propose my questions In an (If that then how this) discourse. None of which you have addressed. #'s 4 and 5 will be in following post

God bless you. And may God help you to help me see what you see. As always I mean no offense and any errors are of course mine and I would be most appreciative for correction.
 
4: I got the idea that Jesus never addressed Mary as his mother from reading the bible. Not once does Jesus address Mary as his mother. He actually didn’t address her at Cana as mother. Reread the verses. He addresses her as woman. Not only that but the context of the verse shows he addresses her in an almost dismissive, admonishing tone for her ignorance of his mission and her presumption upon him because of this.
As for familial relationships, how close could they have been to only assume her only child was among the caravan when they left, not even checking? It was a full 2 or 3 days before they found him, who wouldn’t be distraught after losing a child (when you realize it) wink wink, then when found he again admonishes her for not knowing where he would be. How does this possibly reflect the close family union so adamantly touted by Catholics let alone her spiritual union with her son? So far she hasn’t’ a clue as to what he’s up to and why. Your really have to close one eye to squeeze out the Mary that Catholics get out of the bible In my possibly ignorant opinion. But wait, there’s more…
5: If that doesn’t make you question how close they were, what about Mark 3:21. Jesus’s family says that “he is out of his mind” when they hear about his preaching again to another crowd. We must conclude Mary is included here since she shows up with the rest of his family to speak to him in Mark 3:31. This again brings up the question of Mary and Jesus family’s comprehension of his mission. Where is Mary’s total communion with the Lord so far? Up to this point in the narrative its very questionable. The context is clear. Jesus’s next statement shows that he is admonishing his family for their ignorance. He tells the gathered group who his Mother and brethren are! And its not an exclusive title given to Mary alone, if ever, since he never addresses her directly as his Mother. As I’ve pointed out. Please, please be reasonable in your answers. Simply using hyperbole, and extravagant titles and esoteric latten phrases in describing her status does nothing for those who aren’t there yet.
 
setarcos said:
4: I got the idea that Jesus never addressed Mary as his mother from reading the bible. Not once does Jesus address Mary as his mother. He actually didn’t address her at Cana as mother. Reread the verses. He addresses her as woman. Not only that but the context of the verse shows he addresses her in an almost dismissive, admonishing tone for her ignorance of his mission and her presumption upon him because of this.
As for familial relationships, how close could they have been to only assume her only child was among the caravan when they left, not even checking? It was a full 2 or 3 days before they found him, who wouldn’t be distraught after losing a child (when you realize it) wink wink, then when found he again admonishes her for not knowing where he would be. How does this possibly reflect the close family union so adamantly touted by Catholics let alone her spiritual union with her son? So far she hasn’t’ a clue as to what he’s up to and why. Your really have to close one eye to squeeze out the Mary that Catholics get out of the bible In my possibly ignorant opinion. But wait, there’s more…
5: If that doesn’t make you question how close they were, what about Mark 3:21. Jesus’s family says that “he is out of his mind” when they hear about his preaching again to another crowd. We must conclude Mary is included here since she shows up with the rest of his family to speak to him in Mark 3:31. This again brings up the question of Mary and Jesus family’s comprehension of his mission. Where is Mary’s total communion with the Lord so far? Up to this point in the narrative its very questionable. The context is clear. Jesus’s next statement shows that he is admonishing his family for their ignorance. He tells the gathered group who his Mother and brethren are! And its not an exclusive title given to Mary alone, if ever, since he never addresses her directly as his Mother. As I’ve pointed out. Please, please be reasonable in your answers. Simply using hyperbole, and extravagant titles and esoteric latten phrases in describing her status does nothing for those who aren’t there yet.
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You’re missing a LOT of really important historical, linguistic, and cultural context here.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
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Pat, excellent. Take your own advice. Listen to the Priest, who knows, he could be a Bishop/Cardinal, even the retired Pope!
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Pat. I am sure that statement is in error somehow.
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Dear Roseeurekacross,

I think that God the Son showed His Infinite Mercy through becoming the child of His creature, Mary. If you disagree with that, could you explain your belief somewhat?

Yes, priests represent Christ and our relationships with them should be mutually respectful… A priest can–like us-- be in error, especially if they are giving opinions about the Mother of God which are not taught by the fathers, saints, doctors, or the Magisterium (Papal encyclicals, Councils, etc).

In union with Jesus Christ and His Magisterium, it is our Blessed Mother who is our great teacher, as Pope St. Pius 10th says in his encyclical Ad Diem Illum Laetissimum, regarding the Immaculate Conception:

7. And that through the Virgin, and through her more than through any other means, we have offered us a way of reaching the knowledge of Jesus Christ…Who could better than His Mother have an open knowledge of the admirable mysteries of the birth and childhood of Christ, and above all of the mystery of the Incarnation, which is the beginning and the foundation of faith? … Hence nobody ever knew Christ so profoundly as she did, and nobody can ever be more competent as a guide and teacher of the knowledge of Christ.
w2.vatican.va/content/pius-x/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_02021904_ad-diem-illum-laetissimum.html

Peace of Jesus Christ,

Pat
 
An unsubstantiated and unsubstantiable charge of defection by a priest, let alone a theological professor stationed in Rome, from the Magesterium, is a very serious charge. This poster has been doing the Jude 10 thing for a while despite all attempts to correct him. If you read over this thread you will see Don Ruggero’s comments as well as those of others. Serious rebukes have been made and ignored.

I am not sure, not being Catholic, but I think this poster has automatically excommunicated himself several times over. He has been told to go see his priest, but that, like all the good advice given him, has been ignored. He just spouts cherry-picked quotes out of context and attempts to instruct us…

I am here to warn you, Jharek, that this poster will waste enormous amounts of time and emotional energy if you play his little game.
 
I am going to attempt to answer the thread title question.

First, you do not understand church teaching about Mary by the non-methods displayed in the opening post. You do not cherry-pick quotes you like.

“Catholic hat on” - why I have one is not for discussion now
  1. You recognize the deposit of faith is guarded by the living Magisterium and is administered by the clergy of the Church. You have no right to administer it as a teacher. That is reserved for those the Church has selected to teach. You have no right to decide who is a good or bad teacher. That is out of your hands. You have no rights. Definitely not a right to be proud, wilful, presumptuous, arrogant, and especially not to priests, deacons, professors and those in other others the Church has seen fit to put in those offices.
  2. You surrender your thoughts, your mind and your will in order that you may obtain the mind of the Church and of Christ regarding theology. You no longer have a right to an opinion or a thought. You do not weigh various theologian’s opinions, instead you go after the facts, the Revealed facts, not the opinions about it.
  3. You live a holy life in catholic submission to priests and those placed over you for the care of your soul.
  4. You read what they tell you when they tell you, and you think what they tell you to think about it. You study what you are told to study and you do not study what you do not study. You think the thoughts of the Church and not your own thoughts. You trash your own foolish speculations because you are after truth.
  5. You have no rights. Period. You empty yourself willingly that you may be full of Christ.
After a while, when the time is right, you will understand Church Teaching about Mary.

And, with Catholic hat on, all that I just wrote is subject to correction by the Catholic Church.
 
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