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prodigalson2011
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It is clear to you because that is what you already think. It’s called confirmation bias. An objective reading does not yield to such an interpretation.It is very clear to me that this is talking about the difference between what it means for God to be a being and what it means for a creature to be a being,
This is nothing but sophistry and doublespeak completely unsubstantiated by anything in the passage. Pure eisegesis.and when it speaks of the being of creatures it is not speaking of esse in a distinct sense, but rather he is speaking of creatures** as they are actual**.
No, it does not. You’ll note that it makes repeated reference to determinate character of God’s being; the dictionary defines “determinate” as:So when it speaks of being in regards to creation it is speaking of substances as actual and not as having a distinct esse. It says that God has the fullness of being as compared to creatures.
- having defined limits; definite.
- settled; positive.
- conclusive; final.
That is not at all what it means, and if you actually read any substantial amount of Thomistic literature, you would know that. This statement alone clearly demonstrates you still do not understand what Thomas means by participation.The context is revealed as such that when it says God is not the formal being of creatures (is not universal being), it means only that creatures do not have esse in the divine sense of the word; and that is only to say that our essence is not identical with the act of existing. An when it speaks of universal being it means those essences that become substances (existing-essence) only by a limited participation in actuality.
This particular passage does not, but several others I have cited have. And “every other commentator I read” constitutes a collection of the most respected and devoted Thomistic scholars in the world, so I feel much safer siding with them than a guy whose attitude is more reflective of a cocky freshman philosophy major who thinks he’s surpassed the product of centuries of rigorous thought in the span of a few forum posts.It says nothing about God creating distinct esse. That is your interpretation of Aquinas and every other commentator you read.
But if you insist on interpreting Aquinas as saying that essences have their own distinct essence, then this is easily refuted for the following reasons.
Already you show your ignorance of the subject. Apart from form, esse is neither actual or distinct. As I have said before, you are fallaciously conflating transcendent actions and realities with temporal ones. Creation is not a temporal act. An esse never exists apart from an essence. They are two principles within one creative act.
- A nature begins to exist because it is conjoined to the “act” of existing, which cannot happen unless esse is already actual and objectively distinct.
It is an important point, but it doesn’t weigh in your favor. Indeed God’s esse is a distinct nature, which means that nothing can be added to it. Which means another essence cannot be added to it. As stated above, an esse never does exist apart from an essence. They are distinct in definition and principle, not in temporal actuality.The only esse that is itself a distinct nature is God; which is an important point for no other esse can meaningfully exist as a distinct thing in itself without it also being synonymously an essence; which absolutely rules out the possibility of a real distinct esse that is not identical to its essence.
This borders on the incoherent. You are creating a false conundrum by reifying a metaphysical expression. Again, the act of creation is not temporal and God does not create by conjoining two separate things. God, being pure actuality and thus the necessary basis of all other actuality, can create. He does not do so by binding things that already exist, otherwise he would not be a CREATOR, thus the act of creation is not itself a conjunction. The conjunction is an intrinsic principle of the creation.Otherwise it amounts to saying that God has taken two things that are not actual (esse and essence) and put them together to make them both actual, which doesn’t make any rational sense since that which is not actuality itself has no power to make another thing actual.