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STT
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How could possibly God create Hell and justify it knowing the fact that just irrational people goes against God’s plan for us, goodness? Why should God torture irrational people?
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po18guy
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The answer is in the thread title: justice. God gives us a choice. In life, the choices we make carry a price. Much more so regarding eternity. We are to choose wisely.
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STT
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God gives us a choice, to accept Him or not. Do you expect that a rational person to reject goodness and accept eternal punishment? Of course not. What is wrong with irrational people who choose Hell? There should be something that push them to be irrational. What could be that? We cannot just be irrational for no reason unless we are mad. We don’t consider a mad person responsible for his act. So how Hell could be justified?
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Mike_from_NJ
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We’ve had quite a few Hell topics in the last few months, so forgive me if I’m repeating things I or others have said in those threads.
One, on matters on believing in Yahweh we don’t choose to believe or not. Either we have sufficient evidence or we don’t.
Two, we can’t say conclusively that a deity (yours or any others) exists. An eternity of Hell can be the punishment for a “crime” of not having sufficient evidence to believe certain actions would lead to that punishment.
Three, we know that people can have a sincere change of heart even after being incarcerated. An eternal and unaltered punishment for a finite act on Earth purposely ignores any possible change of heart. This tends to get hand waved (or more accurately, fabricated from whole cloth) as a person in Hell refuses to ever change.
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Wesrock
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If a person is incapable of making rational choices, there is no sin.
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GLam8833
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The Bible, our Consciences, Teachings of the Church
and the Option of Repentance from dead works says
that there is a Hell, Jesus spoke more about hell than
all the Prophets COMBINED, yet He was the most
Merciful Man who ever lived, mirroring a God who
wants ALL ppl to take advantage of His Way of Salv-
ation. See Romans 3:25-26
and the Option of Repentance from dead works says
that there is a Hell, Jesus spoke more about hell than
all the Prophets COMBINED, yet He was the most
Merciful Man who ever lived, mirroring a God who
wants ALL ppl to take advantage of His Way of Salv-
ation. See Romans 3:25-26
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adamhovey1988
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Hell is justified because people who go to Hell go there by rejecting God. Why should unrepentant sinners have anything less than what they asked for?
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Wesrock
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This doesn’t satisfactorily resolve the issue. God created a reality in which the state of being in Hell exists. Hell isn’t outside Providence, and I think we do a disservice to objectors when we make this argument.
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thephilosopher6
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They do not understand what hell is. It is not something that God sends us to, on the contrary he is actively trying to save us from it.
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1neophyte
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Before even beginning the discussion, we have to acknowledge that God doesn’t have to justify anything to us. When we approach God with the posture of “Okay now you have to answer for yourself and justify your ways,” we are assuming the posture of Lucifer. It’s very dangerous.
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Monte_RCMS
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When you become God, then you can fix it.
Please keep in mind that God is THE CREATOR.
GOD IS INFINITE.
And we are mere creations.
Please keep in mind that God is THE CREATOR.
GOD IS INFINITE.
And we are mere creations.
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CB_Catholic
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Believe it or not, but there are plenty of perfectly rational and sane people who choose to do extreme evil for their own personal satisfaction and glory. They deliberately choose this path and know what they are doing is wrong. If they refuse to repent and change their ways, why should they merit heaven beside the ones who have chosen to live righteously and loved God and did good for their fellow humans instead of lying, stealing, torturing, raping, murdering, etc.? Tell me how would that be justified?
Even non-believers know what is good and what is evil and make the choice to do good or evil. You don’t have to be irrational to do great evil.
Those in hell chose that path.
Even non-believers know what is good and what is evil and make the choice to do good or evil. You don’t have to be irrational to do great evil.
Those in hell chose that path.
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STT
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Or he makes a rational choice and manage to resist sin by making a rational decision constantly. So according to what we said either what we performed is no sin because we were irrational or we manage to resist sin and stay rational. So what is the Hell for? Nobody is going there. How can you rationalize Hell?
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STT
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That is exactly the point. I have never met a person like that. So what is the Hell for?Have you met some of these people?
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STT
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That doesn’t answer the questions raised in OP. Either Hell is a place or a state of being. People are tortured in either case. The question is why should we torture irrational people? How could you possibly rationalize Hell?
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