How many Catholics are being put off by the new Mass translation?

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Rence said:
It takes away from the experience for me because I hate the new changes and I hate Latin. I find it very distracting. If you are getting out of it what you expect to get out of it, that’s great. But not everyone is the same. I can’t say for sure if I’ll still hate it in the future, it might grow on me. But if I know myself, I will probably hate it because I hate the parts that are in Latin. I’ll probably pray the Rosary during the service up till the Eucharistic part of the Mass.
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Yikes!:eek: This is amazing! I was just this minute thinking how much I love Latin. I’m no scholar, but I’m attending my parish’s gregorian chant mass every Sunday that I can and the words are beginning to stick. I just saw some prayers in Latin and English on this forum, and I think it’s so beautiful how you can see and feel the root meaning of each word in Latin. This would apply to all the romance languages. I think the changes will grow on you. Imagine how these changes connect you to Catholics of centuries gone by, who used the Latin. The changes which are closer to Latin are reflecting a timelessness that reminds one of the time-transcending nature of Christ.
On the other hand, I knew a monsignor who hated Latin too. He discouraged it. Wonder what he’s making of the changes:D.

Pax et Bonum, oops – Peace and All Good;)
 
Rence said:
To each his/her own 🙂 Everyone is different and because of that, we have different likes and dislikes.
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So true. I only hope and pray you will like it eventually. It might be the notion of change itself that causes discomfort and distraction for you and others. I’m a revert and the “new” changes are closer to what I was used to.
God bless you.
 
Rence said:
I hate it and it takes away from the experience for me, and my friends hate it, but what can we do? It’s not like the Church is a democracy or anything 🤷
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Wow. “Hate” is a very strong word.
 
Rence said:
I don’t use those expressions and words as you describe above.

That would be me 😃 A serious allergic reaction even.
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The point is, would your nose be at all put out of joint if you were talking to someone and they threw in expressions like ‘muchas gracias’, ‘por favor’ or ‘adios’ here and there?
 
Monte_RCMS said:
I am just curious … based on casual conversations with others … or your own “feelings” on the subject … how many Catholics are being put off by the new Mass translation?

Is it a lot of people or just a few?

Is it just Catholics in their 30’s and 40’s?

How effective or thorough has been your experience in explaining the new translation and how the need for it came about?

[One of my 40-something friends said casually … does the new translation mean that everything he has expressed a belief in all these years seems to have been “invalid”.]

So, I’m just looking for comments by others.
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I love the new translation. I love knowing that we are praying a more accurate translation of the Latin. I heard one very elderly woman comment about having a hard time learning but it wasn’t harsh.
 
Rence said:
It takes away from the experience for me because I hate the new changes and I hate Latin. I find it very distracting. If you are getting out of it what you expect to get out of it, that’s great. But not everyone is the same. I can’t say for sure if I’ll still hate it in the future, it might grow on me. But if I know myself, I will probably hate it because I hate the parts that are in Latin. I’ll probably pray the Rosary during the service up till the Eucharistic part of the Mass.
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I think that once you learn the new parts, you will like it more. I know others have said this but it helps to realize it is a much more accurate translation.

Also, at our Parish we have 4 masses from Saturday evening to Sunday afternoon and two of them incorporate Latin. It is the Lord Have Mercy, The Holy, Holy, Holy and Lamb of God but those are the only ones. Maybe if you have another Mass at a different time they won’t have the Latin? Just a thought. And once you learn the Latin it really is very beautiful.
 
RosalieM said:
Yikes!:eek: This is amazing! I was just this minute thinking how much I love Latin. I’m no scholar, but I’m attending my parish’s gregorian chant mass every Sunday that I can and the words are beginning to stick. I just saw some prayers in Latin and English on this forum, and I think it’s so beautiful how you can see and feel the root meaning of each word in Latin. This would apply to all the romance languages. I think the changes will grow on you. Imagine how these changes connect you to Catholics of centuries gone by, who used the Latin. The changes which are closer to Latin are reflecting a timelessness that reminds one of the time-transcending nature of Christ.
On the other hand, I knew a monsignor who hated Latin too. He discouraged it. Wonder what he’s making of the changes:D.

Pax et Bonum, oops – Peace and All Good;)
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I was never very good at Latin, but I sort of liked it.

BUT, on the other hand, when I see a translation to English that is positively awful … then I really cringe … such as the "Domine, non sum dignus … " [Matthew 8:8?] I LOVED THE ORIGINAL TRANSLATION … and the origin … the Centurion whose faith was the strongest that Jesus had ever encountered … absolutely wonderful. And yet, I have friends who are priests who are younger and were unaware of the history of that particular part of the Mass.

Before Vatican II, we used to have a GREAT translation to English and “they” really didn’t do a super job with the 1960’s translation. Everybody brought their Latin-English missals to Mass and followed along and said the responses aloud.

Oh well,

Ave atque vale.
 
Dirt said:
I Love it!!! Get your hands on a missal. Read the new translation of the Collect, Offertory Prayers, Prefaces. They are wonderful. What many are now awakening to is what we were cheated out of after the “Dynamic Equivalency” method of translation in the original 1969-71 missal from ICEL. We are now returning to Prayers and a Liturgy that we had all along, and just did not know it.
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I attended one of the evening sessions conducted by one of our deacons on the new translation. Someone said they had been waiting 40 years for these new changes to the English we have suffered with … I didn’t realize the ICEL had a name for it: “dynamic equivalency” model.

I am going to stop here before I get into trouble.

[ICEL = International Commission on the English Language … or something like that.]
 
Monte_RCMS said:
[One of my 40-something friends said casually … does the new translation mean that everything he has expressed a belief in all these years seems to have been “invalid”.]
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That comment is just about the best defense for the corrected translation I have read anywhere on the 'net.

Lex orandi, Lex credendi.

My reaction: I absolutely love the corrected Collects. So far, at least, they seem to have lost the “pablum” quality that the “dynamic equivalence” paraphrase we’ve had to endure for 40 years.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
I am just curious … based on casual conversations with others … or your own “feelings” on the subject … how many Catholics are being put off by the new Mass translation?

Is it a lot of people or just a few?

Not many, but like you I’ve heard some who say the will refuse to say the newly translated responses, because they think it’s old fashioned rather than more reverent.

Is it just Catholics in their 30’s and 40’s?

Probably more of those certainly, who are not familiar with the pre-Vatican II mass.

How effective or thorough has been your experience in explaining the new translation and how the need for it came about?

The new translation brings us closer to what the Latin says. It’s happening only in English speaking countries, because the translation to English had to be done hurriedly after Vatican II and it was always intended that the church would work toward a more literally correct version. It took much longer than anticipated.

[One of my 40-something friends said casually … does the new translation mean that everything he has expressed a belief in all these years seems to have been “invalid”.]

Not at all. The mass didn’t change, although some argue that much reverence was lost with VII changes to translation.

So, I’m just looking for comments by others.
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Reading the post above this, caused me to recollect some comments from one of my priest friends [also his Christmas card just arrived yesterday] that he liked some of the Vatican II changes … he said they used to do some things in “threes” … so they would bless the bread three times for example before the Consecration.

But there were so many of these “redundancies” [my word] that had crept in over the years, that so much of the essentials were being smothered in well-meaning peripherals

There were a number of other changes as well that he welcomed at the time that simplified the structure of the Mass.

I’m thinking also how the altar boys would move the missal from one side of the altar to the other.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
Everybody brought their Latin-English missals to Mass and followed along and said the responses aloud.
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Yes, but everyone (not only Anglophones) responded in Latin, perhaps occasionally looking at the vernacular. Now they have to actually respond in English. Big difference when you read it out loud and it isn’t optional. And what about those who aren’t especially fluent in English? Imagine what the change does to them.
 
Rence said:
I don’t use those expressions and words as you describe above.

That would be me 😃 A serious allergic reaction even.
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I have to ask it is only Latin or is it any language other than english? and if only Latin why?
 
my only complaint is that they took away all reading prayer books so i cannot read the words of the bible therefore its discrimating against seniors who have a hard time hearing therefore i do not know what the priest is saying before i could follow the gospital every day now i have no idea what todays gospital is since i cannot read it (no books are in our church ):crossrc::blessyou::confused:
 
Hello,
I do find the changes distracting. The best example of what I find distracting is “and with your spirit.” I whole-heartedly agree with the theology behind this. However, I right now find that the translation into English is a bit cumbersome. I might have considered as “and your spirit” (convert the “with” to unspoken/ understood).

I, however, have not heard any strong complaints against the new translation.

I also wonder if my awkwardness would drop away once I buy a copy of the new missal.
 
sulkow82 said:
Hello,
I do find the changes distracting. The best example of what I find distracting is “and with your spirit.” I whole-heartedly agree with the theology behind this. However, I right now find that the translation into English is a bit cumbersome. I might have considered as “and your spirit” (convert the “with” to unspoken/ understood).

I, however, have not heard any strong complaints against the new translation.

I also wonder if my awkwardness would drop away once I buy a copy of the new missal.
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IMHO the New Translation of the Liturgy is the Best Translation every since the Novus Ordo came out. That’s just shy of a half a century long shot.

Curious as to your thread title though…when you say How many Catholics are being put off by the new Mass translation? are you (“only implying”) the laity being upset with the new translation?

I say this because there are some priests who won’t even use the new Roman Missal.
 
Monte_RCMS said:
I am just curious … based on casual conversations with others … or your own “feelings” on the subject … how many Catholics are being put off by the new Mass translation?

Is it a lot of people or just a few?

Is it just Catholics in their 30’s and 40’s?

How effective or thorough has been your experience in explaining the new translation and how the need for it came about?

[One of my 40-something friends said casually … does the new translation mean that everything he has expressed a belief in all these years seems to have been “invalid”.]

So, I’m just looking for comments by others.
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IMHO the New Roman Missal Translation is the Best Translation ever since the Novus Ordo began.

I’m curious though; when you say; ** How many Catholics are being put off by the new Mass translation?** are you only implying the Catholic laity being upset with the New Roman Missal translation?
 
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