Dear RevKev,
So why did you leave? Were you well catechized?
Was Matthew written before John?Hi,
What the “it” is, is quite simple!It is the teachings of Jesus Christ. The whole teaching. Best summarized in Matthew Chapters 5-7.
Regarding the pagan rite thing…
One last thought.Every year after lent I am taught something very important. This time for some reason I could not get my mind off of the Eucharist.
John 6:66 (the devils numbers) That blows my mind.
Did anyone ever really make that connection. That is the scripture where the disciples that could not accept the true teaching that Jesus Christ in the Eucharist is the living Christ left Jesus and walked away.
Judas comes to mind. It was Judas that was one of his Apostles and left Jesus. Did you notice when he left him. At the Eucharist!!! Judas could not accept that teaching.
As a kid me and my brother when we were first beginning to drive would go to Church and split right after communion. My Dad would always say are you like Judas are you going to leave right after the Eucharist
I never really understood until years later what he was saying. Trust me I stay now!!
Jesus was quite clear when he stated For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. John 6:53-56)
Even the disciples said this is a hard saying who can listen to it? See Jesus knew some would not believe. This is where Judas fell away. John 6:64.
Many say he was speaking sybolically. But he wasn’t. If so both the Jews who were suspicious of him and the disciples who accepted everything up to this point would have remained with him if he were.
But he did not correct the protesters.
12 times he said he was the bread that came down from heaven.
4 times he said he said they would have to eat my flesh and drink my blood.
Who can really accept this teaching? Can you?
We as Roman Catholic’s are not just symbolically commemorating Jesus in the Eucharist we are actually participating in his body and blood as Paul tells us.
The cup of blessing which we bless, IS IT NOT a participation in the blood of Christ. The bread which we bread, IS IT NOT a participation in the body of Christ? (1 Cor 10:16)
Jesus said DO THIS in memory of me!! Do This!!!
I'm about through dialoguing, because you obviously are not interested in a helpful discussion.
However, in response: I recently was executor of an estate of a thoroughly orthodox Catholic; one of my brothers lives in a mobile home and other folks I know, also; no, I don't know any who worship Satan but I know some Wiccan-oriented people; a couple of my elderly relatives, sadly, are prejudiced toward Blacks; I really don't know how many of my friends use birth control unapproved by the Catholic Church, and it's not my business; I know some employees at Wal-Mart; my mother only finished the 8th grade and my grandfather was illiterate; no, I haven't seen a friend wear that particular T-shirt, nor would I recommend that s/he wear one. Would you?
Sorry, but you have a stereotype that is so far from reality that further discussion is pointless.Baptist.
rinnie, I understand what you believe regarding John chapter 6. but can you explain it to me in your own words? I am quite pleased with your zeal for the Lord. but becareful. Zeal is a good thing when your are right and not so good of thing when you are wrong. Just ask the apostle Paul. I still want to ask him what the thorn in the side was?I am not sure what you are asking so if this is it let me know.
Are you asking if everyone that followed Jesus believe that he was truly God.
what I am suggesting from Johns text is that first one must believe that Christ was the Messiah. remember when Christ asked Peter the question " who do people say I am?" what was Peters reply to the question? HInt Some say Elijah…
The people understood that he was from God in some way, but not always, necessarily God or the Messiah.
If that is what you are asking I cannot honestly answer it. Nor can anyone else if you ask me. Only God truly knows the heart and mind of a person.
I agree. and achording to this passage in John, it thespirit of God that convicts, but John gives us a glimps at the end of the chapter.
Joh 6:64 But still some of you have no faith. For it was clear to Jesus from the first who they were who had no faith, and who it was who would be false to him.
Joh 6:65 And he said, This is why I said to you, No man is able to come to me if he is not given the power to do so by the Father.
But I can tell you what I assume from what scripture says.
I try not to assume to much in Scripture unless it is very clear. but I am still human.The bible I read was translated by over 85 scholars, translating them to todays language. but the trick is not just translating in to the english , french or some other language, the culture, understanding and world view must be taken into concideration.
If you Love me keep my word. Jesus did say that there are many kind of followers.
and the parable of the sower demonstrates that.
I know that I can only answer for my self. My mother always told me that was all I had to worry about, she said when I get done confessing my sins I won’t have any time to worry about anyone elses
agreed. I am luck to take care of myself most day. in the middle of working manditory 58 hour weeks at the moment.
BUt here is what my Dad told me all my life about faith. You are either hot or cold you cannot be lukewarm.
I agree with your dad. remember what Christ said to the church in Philadelphia.
Re 3:15 I have knowledge of your works, that you are not cold or warm: it would be better if you were cold or warm.
Re 3:16 So because you are not one thing or the other, I will have no more to do with you.
It took me a year after he died to understand what he meant. And I believe that may be what you are asking me.
The scripture is Revelations. You either accept all of the words of Christ and follow his commandments or you don’t. You must be your best every second of your life. You must have Jesus in your heart every second of you life. You must pray everyday for the Holy Spirit to give you grace. It is with that grace that you can be what God asks you to be.
But it must be consistant not lukewarm. Papa said you must be HOT!! Sorry not yelling
Smoking Hot!!
I know there are many people who believe in God but do not want to obey his commandments. Hey I myself don’t like to obey all the time.
Like yesterday it was the first nice day we had all week. My husband and I wanted so bad to hit the pub on the bike it was wing night and bike night and have a couple beers and unwind.
But Guess what It was a Holy Day too. If I have to be totally honest I would have rather hit the Pub. But I did go to Church because it is a Holy Day and God said. But honestly when I hit the Church, I knew I made the right move!!
you did good
So yesterday I was HotYou have to choose God All the time. Its hard, We all know that. If I could just stay hot for one whole week that would be awesome. So maybe could throw a couple prayers my way too. Okay
If that is not you question ask it again, I promise to answer it for ya.
Bad outlook on those who are not Catholic? Ah no! What I cannot figure out why someone as yourself who as admitted you do not agree with the RCC,spends so much time in here? What is your goal here? What can you possibly gain by disagreeing with us? We do not agree with Baptists,so what is the point?
You have a bad outlook on things especially those who are not Catholic. :tsktsk: No you did not ask me to finish his work, since when did I need your permission to finish something for someone else. You like to argue with people and use snide comments. I asked you to continue with what the thread is about, but you can’t seem to do that. So once again can we continue with what the thread is about? Do I have your premission :bowdown: to continue with the topic of the thread.
I’m here not trying to change anything that you or the Catholic church teaches, taught or believes. I’m here to give my side and my beliefs on subjects. I know I can’t change the CC’s teachings or doctrine or dogma’s and would never try to. Its what you and the CC believes then believe it. I don’t put you down for it like you do us for our beliefs. I think a little less of the snide remarks and a little more Christianity on your part would be helpful to you. There is no need for remarks like the ones you are giving.
I answered your question as to why I’m here. Did you not read it?
*You see Roy while we Catholics believe in one absolute truth in regard to the core beliefs of the Catholic Church the Church is not exclusive - on the contrary she is inclusive. The Church is One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
**Oh Esdra do please enlighten me! You make some very bold claims namely that the Protestant churches are closer to the Ancient Church. How is that? Do please give me the history of this because I have always thought that Protestantism began with Luther.
*Hi Cinette,Oh Esdra do please enlighten me! You make some very bold claims namely that the Protestant churches are closer to the Ancient Church. How is that? Do please give me the history of this because I have always thought that Protestantism began with Luther.
You say you were a Catholic. I prefer to refer to you as non-Catholic because if it were true that you are in effect an ex-Catholic that would be serious. I think that, like me, you were in all probability not fully catechised.
God bless all
Cinette
).*Oh I understand - what you are saying is that Jesus did not keep his promise and that the Holy Spirit made a mess and then the Protestants intevened and fixed things up.Hi Cinette,
Yes, you are completely right, Protestentism only began with Luther. But, do you also know why?
Before Luther were a lot of “Protestant Churches” whose members were burned - from the Catholic Church, because they didn’t want to accept that they were in some points right some 1,500 years! I am referring to the Hugenotts in France or the Katharer (I only know the German words, hope that they are similar in English!
I strongly believe that the “true” Christianity was (at least partley - most protestant don’t live together in one house and have everything together… cf. Acts 2,44 and Acts 4,32) restored through the Reformators. They read the Holy Bible (even in their original languages Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic) and they found out how the First Christians, the Ancient Christians, as I call them, must have lived, and made a teaching out of that. And so, in my opinion the Ancient Christianity, found by Jesus, was restored.
Believe me, I have studied the bible quite well and I am keeping on studying and what I read, interpreted by the Holy Spirit in me, gives me the certainity, that it was the Right Decision to leave the RCC. Also in the service in my Baptist Community I feel that I have made the right desicion - and I am sure that the Ancient Christians did their services very similar to those in most Protestant Churches - Nevertheless I am sure that the service certainly didn’t look like an orthodox or a catholic Mass today!
I advice you, as I already did Nicea (please also read my answer to her - it may be interesting for you as well!), to start reading Acts and the letters of the Apostels.
Yes, I was a Catholic - but that’s long ago. I quite realized that many teachings of the RCC can’t be true according to the words of our Saviour Christ Jesus! (I was abou 15 years of age!) - So I began to read and study, yes also in Ancient Mythology, in the LDS scriptures and also in the Holy Bible. But my search is completed - I found what I lacked in the RCC in my Saviour Christ Jesus and in my Baptist Community.
Since I still don’t know for sure what “catechize” means I, however, can’t answer your question if I was or not…
Best wishes,
Esdra
*Hi,*Oh I understand - what you are saying is that Jesus did not keep his promise and that the Holy Spirit made a mess and then the Protestants intevened and fixed things up.
OK I get you
God bless all
Cinette
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