How the specter of syncretism is being used to islamize the faith

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How the specter of syncretism is being used to islamize the faith

The short version: don’t let anyone tell you to throw out a practice because they say it resembles Buddhism, for Buddha, being royal, may have known various spiritualities from the ancient world when he fasted and created Buddhism.

The Lord said the most important commandment was to love God with your whole heart, soul and mind. (Matthew 22:37.) Psalm 51:17 says of God, “You will not despise the heart which is wrent with sorrow.”

Praying from the heart has on occasion brought accusations of being a closet Buddhist and trying to syncretize Catholic prayer by turning it into the Buddhist practice of Metta which I now know is called one of the heart practices by Buddhists.

I was not a Buddhist but had tried to improve my prayer life from modern vagaries by reading The Imitation of Christ, The Spiritual Combat, The Sinner’s Guide, Philothea or an Introduction to the Devout Life, etc. as well as by praying.

Buddha was royal. His family was probably educated in the various religions and spiritualities of the world around them including the predecessor of Christianity which was Judaism. There is no basis to claim syncretism just because praying from the heart allegedly reminds possibly malicious third parties of Metta. There is also no reason to believe any component of any given form of prayer was completely unique to Judaism.

Atheistic Buddhists admit the Seven Petitions of the Our Father are excellent dispositions for Metta, but the faithful can also pray to the Divine from their heart as well.

I once prayed the Rosary from time to time, but people would say that Mary is the mother of God, and the Church is the spiritual mother of God, therefore I must be asking for the Church’s intercession, therefore I owe and owe them if I dare think my prayers had been answered. While the Church may teach it is our spiritual mother, I don’t think it enjoins hyperdulia to just any usurping claimant. I had read that it meant St. Mary the Mother of God intercedes with God for the benefit of the supplicant, and other Catholics are not mentioned as being asked for help, in fact they went to lengths to reinforce that Mary was perfect and selfless enough to trust. The act of putting one’s nose on another’s prayer life after tricking them into thinking one must not pray for them from the heart (for they are not Buddhist) is seemingly akin to demanding submission to rapport with Allah, or Allah-vus folk.

Perhaps I ran into a few baddies and their thinking doesn’t represent the mind or teaching of the Church but I hope no one lets the “Roman-rite Islamists” rearrange their prayer life through misplaced trust or the specter of syncretism without prayer and careful consideration.

Besides, there are Catholic priests who have openly become Buddhist Lamas and have not been defrocked, so I hear.



I hope anyone beset by Roman rite islamizers considers praying to the Father from their heart every day (and/or doing Metta even though it doesn’t always involve supplicating the Divine) for the natural world around them, especially for the germs they share with parties who won’t leave them alone, and for the roots and fungal networks beneath their feet. Some think it helps to reduce undesirable rapport. Don’t let them demand submission to rapport. Does the Communion of Saints demand submission to rapport? Don’t let them shame you into backing down and calling you nature boy or starchild. They will try.
 
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How the specter of syncretism is being used to islamize the faith

The short version: don’t let anyone tell you to throw out a practice because they say it resembles Buddhism, for Buddha, being royal, may have known various spiritualities from the ancient world when he fasted and created Buddhism.

The Lord said the most important commandment was to love God with your whole heart, soul and mind. (Matthew 22:37.) Psalm 51:17 says of God, “You will not despise the heart which is wrent with sorrow.”

Praying from the heart has on occasion brought accusations of being a closet Buddhist and trying to syncretize Catholic prayer by turning it into the Buddhist practice of Metta which I now know is called one of the heart practices by Buddhists.

I was not a Buddhist but had tried to improve my prayer life from modern vagaries by reading The Imitation of Christ, The Spiritual Combat, The Sinner’s Guide, Philothea or an Introduction to the Devout Life, etc. as well as by praying.

Buddha was royal. His family was probably educated in the various religions and spiritualities of the world around them including the predecessor of Christianity which was Judaism. There is no basis to claim syncretism just because praying from the heart allegedly reminds possibly malicious third parties of Metta. There is also no reason to believe any component of any given form of prayer was completely unique to Judaism.

Atheistic Buddhists admit the Seven Petitions of the Our Father are excellent dispositions for Metta, but the faithful can also pray to the Divine from their heart as well.

I once prayed the Rosary from time to time, but people would say that Mary is the mother of God, and the Church is the spiritual mother of God, therefore I must be asking for the Church’s intercession, therefore I owe and owe them if I dare think my prayers had been answered. While the Church may teach it is our spiritual mother, I don’t think it enjoins hyperdulia to just any usurping claimant. I had read that it meant St. Mary the Mother of God intercedes with God for the benefit of the supplicant, and other Catholics are not mentioned as being asked for help, in fact they went to lengths to reinforce that Mary was perfect and selfless enough to trust. The act of putting one’s nose on another’s prayer life after tricking them into thinking one must not pray for them from the heart (for they are not Buddhist) is seemingly akin to demanding submission to rapport with Allah, or Allah-vus folk.

Perhaps I ran into a few baddies and their thinking doesn’t represent the mind or teaching of the Church but I hope no one lets the “Roman-rite Islamists” rearrange their prayer life through misplaced trust or the specter of syncretism without prayer and careful consideration.

Besides, there are Catholic priests who have openly become Buddhist Lamas and have not been defrocked, so I hear.



I hope anyone beset by Roman rite islamizers considers praying to the Father from their heart every day (and/or doing Metta even though it doesn’t always involve supplicating the Divine) for the natural world around them, especially for the germs they share with parties who won’t leave them alone, and for the roots and fungal networks beneath their feet. Some think it helps to reduce undesirable rapport. Don’t let them demand submission to rapport. Does the Communion of Saints demand submission to rapport? Don’t let them shame you into backing down and calling you nature boy or starchild. They will try.
Eh??? What are "Roman rite islamizers"?
From what I get from a (somewhat) quick read of your post, it sounds very un-Catholic and verging on heresy.
We must remain faithful to traditional Catholic practices, which include both mental and vocal prayer. Our Lady herself has insisted that we must pray Our Lady's Psalter (AKA The Rosary) daily. We must steer clear of all non Catholic, or even non-Christian, practices. We are saved through Christ alone. Buddhists struggle to do their best, and I will leave it up to God to decide if they are worthy of heaven. We can follow their practices IF THEIR PRACTICES FOLLOW CATHOLIC PRACTICES.
God only established the Catholic Church. No other church or religion is approved by God. God tolerates many things according to His permissive will, but we must always follow what has been taught since the time of the apostles.
 
Eh??? What are "Roman rite islamizers"?
From what I get from a (somewhat) quick read of your post, it sounds very un-Catholic and verging on heresy.
We must remain faithful to traditional Catholic practices, which include both mental and vocal prayer. Our Lady herself has insisted that we must pray Our Lady's Psalter (AKA The Rosary) daily. We must steer clear of all non Catholic, or even non-Christian, practices. We are saved through Christ alone. Buddhists struggle to do their best, and I will leave it up to God to decide if they are worthy of heaven. We can follow their practices IF THEIR PRACTICES FOLLOW CATHOLIC PRACTICES.
God only established the Catholic Church. No other church or religion is approved by God. God tolerates many things according to His permissive will, but we must always follow what has been taught since the time of the apostles.
"Dissenter" Hmmm. That. might explain the Twilight Zone remarks he makes.
 
In all fairness, Eastern Catholics may substitute the Akathist for the Rosary in obtaining indulgences. While many Eastern Catholics pray the Rosary, it is not really part of their spirituality, just as Eucharistic adoration really isn't either. As I understand it, their entire Divine Liturgy, while it is occurring, is a form of Eucharistic adoration.

I make the Sign of the Cross whenever I pass an Orthodox church (as well as when I pass a Catholic church), in devotion to the Blessed Sacrament which they keep in reserve between liturgies for those who might need it, or for typika liturgies in which the Eucharist is received but no DL is offered per se (kind of like a word and communion service in the Catholic Church).
 
And as to Buddhism, yes, some of their spirituality (if that's the right word) is quite compatible with Catholicism, such as the annihilation of craving. As I have taught my son in homeschool religion class, the first thing you have to do, if you are going to save your soul, is take that thing called "want", dig a hole out in the backyard, and bury it. It is what God wants, not what you want, and you'll spare yourself a lot of grief if you can make up your mind that you will never want something that Almighty God doesn't want for you (nil sine numine).

A dedicated Buddhist would not have a hard time at all becoming a Catholic.
 
Eh??? What are "Roman rite islamizers"?
From what I get from a (somewhat) quick read of your post, it sounds very un-Catholic and verging on heresy.
We must remain faithful to traditional Catholic practices, which include both mental and vocal prayer. Our Lady herself has insisted that we must pray Our Lady's Psalter (AKA The Rosary) daily. We must steer clear of all non Catholic, or even non-Christian, practices. We are saved through Christ alone. Buddhists struggle to do their best, and I will leave it up to God to decide if they are worthy of heaven. We can follow their practices IF THEIR PRACTICES FOLLOW CATHOLIC PRACTICES.
God only established the Catholic Church. No other church or religion is approved by God. God tolerates many things according to His permissive will, but we must always follow what has been taught since the time of the apostles.
Maybe you are closer to representing the socioeconomic center of your parish than some. Maybe none around you covet what you have or what you can do. In my haphazardly gleaned opinion, the "submission" that is said to be the meaning of the word Islam refers to submission to spiritual rapport so that covetous parties could usurp and appropriate your best thinking.

I don't claim to be a Catholic anymore. Conditional salvation and the Marxist comments the last Holy Father made (as well as many others) drove me away. If they're just not saving you because they covet rapport with intelligence, then what good will all the orthodoxy do?

Some people seem to want to inventory what a person is doing for redistribution. They can try to suppress or invalidate traditional teaching on premarital relations, for example, because they may covet rapport with intelligence. They'll even say there's nothing unholy about being a "hoe" or getting involved in rock & roll because it "helps people," or, in the words of the Beatles,

"but if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao,
you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow"

i.e. don't reveal that you are after the redistribution of intelligence or no one will want your revolution. (from the song Revolution.)

How could our your Church be flirting with Marxism? The whole point may be to give the proletariat the economic power to force the people they envy to leave their spiritual guard down or not be given a good job, so the proletarians could maintain an impure rapport with their abilities. They may even pressure some into lives of being an entertainer through blacklisting and bureaus controlling who gets what job, or even re-education camps and psychiatric commitment for those who are "anti-social" because they pray effectively and and don't want to distribute their soul to the masses. "What doth it profit a man if he gains the whole world but suffers the loss of his soul?" Is that how you would be treated?

Hypothetically, consider whether you would be willing to join a Marxist parish which was much more mentally disadvantaged than you so the parish could tell you there's nothing wrong with getting a job dancing for people so they could form a rapport with intelligence that they do not have. You'd lose your soul, and what good would you be doing helping other people achieve their covets?

Or, what if you simply slowly lost your soul, convinced Canon Law keeps them from abusing the power of conditional salvation to help their friends with your soul? Every time some covetous person envied, hated, or judged you, even if you hadn't had to become a rock star for them, some feel they would form a bit of impurity with you despite not having committed adultery in thought, word, or deed. Then the priest may decide you have too much talent and are not using it well enough and that portion of your soul should be redistributed to the poor. Then, you'd be less and less capable of using your abilities for the glory of God, and by their logic, it would force the priest to let them have yet more of you. They'd probably be permissive with comforts, but you'd just feel emptier and emptier while being assured you were heaven bound.
 
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As I have taught my son in homeschool religion class, the first thing you have to do, if you are going to save your soul, is take that thing called "want", dig a hole out in the backyard, and bury it.

I hope you take this teaching under advisement. Externalizing your soul is not good for you.

I have read a few classic traditional Catholic works and none of them mention such witchcraft. If I remember correctly they would have a person pray and study on what they ought to want.

Some traditions hold that your wishes have real meaning.

I hope you talk to a few holy priests or research the matter. Have you found a holy, reliable source recommending the practice of digging a hole and trying to bury your coveting soul in the yard?
 
I hope you take this teaching under advisement. Externalizing your soul is not good for you.

I have read a few classic traditional Catholic works and none of them mention such witchcraft. If I remember correctly they would have a person pray and study on what they ought to want.

Some traditions hold that your wishes have real meaning.

I hope you talk to a few holy priests or research the matter. Have you found a holy, reliable source recommending the practice of digging a hole and trying to bury your coveting soul in the yard?

I was speaking metaphorically. My point here is that to follow Christ, we have to give up our will, our preferences, our wants, and seek what He wants for us. There is no greater peace or freedom than aligning one's own will with that of Almighty God. When you want what God wants, nothing more, nothing less, nothing else, you are truly free.
 
Dissenter, this post is open to exactly the same criticism I made in the case of your other new thread, where you put the word “Marxism” in the title but then went ahead and wrote about a completely different subject.

So in this case, before we go any further, kindly answer two questions. First, who are these people that you suspect of attempting to “islamize the faith”? Second, what does “islamize the faith” even mean?
 
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