How to confront Catholic antisemitism?

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Have you seen a documentary called ‘defamation’. A very interesting, not one sided film, created by award winning Jewish director Yoah Shamir, exploring anti-Semitism.

I’d suggest you watch. It is even on Youtube.
 
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Thank you — I have. If you read through my previous posts in previous threads, you’ll see that I’m well-educated in this topic.
 
TK421 said:
Anti-semitism has been on a rise, spurred on by social media. In general, social media has allowed hate groups to flourish more than in previous decades.
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Also, as demonstrated on CAF, trolling is increasing in all corners of the internet. It’s very common for individuals to spew heinous garbage online, get Suspended and continue under another account. Whether or not they believe everything that they type is debatable. Nevertheless, it’s polluting every chat, forum, and social media platform.
 
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I read the Time magazine article about the Kantor report. I’m not sure what to think about it because nothing really stands out as being anything other than the normal ‘haters are gonna hate’. Apparently, one mass shooting has skewed the numbers for the US.

Another thing that is mentioned is the online hate groups and rhetoric. But that’s just to be expected when everyone can go online anonymously. But the one thing that does stand out of the report is the increase in anti-semitism on college campuses related to support of Israel. And because young people tend to spend so much time online, the college campus thing might be partially fueled by the anti-Semitic online morons.
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I admit that I could be completely off base here – but it seems you only recognize the upsurge as legitimate when it’s the fault of liberals. For what it’s worth, I agree that it happens on the left as well as the right – and everywhere in between.
 
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TK421:
Anti-semitism has been on a rise, spurred on by social media. In general, social media has allowed hate groups to flourish more than in previous decades.
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Also, as demonstrated on CAF, trolling is increasing in all corners of the internet. It’s very common for individuals to spew heinous garbage online, get Suspended and continue under another account. Whether or not they believe everything that they type is debatable. Nevertheless, it’s polluting every chat, forum, and social media platform.
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Yes. And other forums are often plagued by the same problems.
 
For those who struggle to see this as a real problem:
Hate crime incidents targeting Jews and Jewish institutions in the U.S. spiked about 37 percent between 2016 and 2017, according to data released Tuesday by the FBI. The rise is based on data that reflects an increased number of law enforcement agencies reporting to the federal government – numbers that show an overall 17 percent increase in hate crimes.

It was the third year in a row hate offenses rose in the U.S. There were 7,175 hate crime incidents reported in 2017, and a total of 8,437 offenses (some incidents included multiple charges). Hate crimes based on race, ethnicity or ancestry were the most common, making up about 60 percent of the total.

Religious-based hate crime comprised about 20 percent of the total. The FBI data shows Jewish people and institutions were most frequently targeted, accounting for 58.1 percent of religious-based hate crime incidents. Muslims were the second most frequent target, at 18.6 percent.
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www.cbsnews.com

New FBI data shows rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes

Anti-Jewish hate crimes spiked about 37 percent between 2016 and 2017, FBI says; hate crimes overall rose 17 percent
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And this:
According to the FBI’s annual Hate Crime Statistics report, there were a total of 7,175 hate crime incidents reported last year by law enforcement agencies, up from 6,121 incidents in 2016.
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gracepoole said:
I admit that I could be completely off base here – but it seems you only recognize the upsurge as legitimate when it’s the fault of liberals.
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Okay, your reply kinda took me by surprise. But, I would think that most of the anti-Semitic online morons would be right leaning. But they’ve probably always been around, they just haven’t had much of a voice until anonymous Internet forums and blogs came along.

BTW, who are the liberals that you think I’m talking about.
 
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gracepoole:
Thank you — I have. If you read through my previous posts in previous threads, you’ll see that I’m well-educated in this topic.
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What did you make of it?
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I thought it was very informative and well constructed. (Though I never advocate including Norman Finklestein in anything if it’s to be considered 100% reputable.)
 
1Lord1Faith said:
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gracepoole:
I admit that I could be completely off base here – but it seems you only recognize the upsurge as legitimate when it’s the fault of liberals.
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Okay, your reply kinda took me by surprise. But, I would think that most of the anti-Semitic online morons would be right leaning. But they’ve probably always been around, they just haven’t had much of a voice until anonymous Internet forums and blogs came along.

BTW, who are the liberals that you think I’m talking about.
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The BDS crowd.
 
gracepoole said:
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Not really. I really don’t think that Catholics are any more anti-Semitic than others. It seems these days having a view or a theory about Jews or Judaism that isn’t positive, is considered anti-Semitism.

If one states that there is a heavy Jewish influence in American politics and that’s why America does so much for Israel, they are called an anti-Semite. Why? Isn’t it just logic? Isn’t it putting two and two together? Why else would the USA care so much about Israel, some country in the middle east?
 
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gracepoole:
This post reflects mastery of deflection.
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Not really. I really don’t think that Catholics are any more anti-Semitic than others. It seems these days having a view or a theory about Jews or Judaism that isn’t positive, is considered anti-Semitism.

If one states that there is a heavy Jewish influence in American politics and that’s why America does so much for Israel, they are called an anti-Semite. Why? Isn’t it just logic? Isn’t it putting two and two together? Why else would the USA care so much about Israel, some country in the middle east?
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As I said, I appreciate the insight into the thinking of those who deny what’s happening. So far it seems that here on CAF the biggest reason for denial is politics.

And I don’t believe I claimed that Catholics are “more antisemitic” than others. But as Catholics, we must respond to antisemitism when we see it.
 
gracepoole said:
I thought it was very informative and well constructed. (Though I never advocate including Norman Finklestein in anything if it’s to be considered 100% reputable.)
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  1. Why this feeling about Finkelstein? (even though he, just as much as Foxman, was shown in a critical light and questioned on his views by the director)
  2. Do you feel this way about the ADL’s Foxman? Or do you, for some reason, put more stock in what he says and does than Finkelstein?
 
Here’s my take: A portion of these people post garbage knowing that it’s controversial and they’re trying to start trouble. These folks are like anarchists and they may or may not believe this stuff; thus, “Some men just want to watch the world burn”.

Then you have the hardcore haters that actually believe this stuff. They don’t disagree, they literally hate. Perhaps society keeps them inline and maybe they’re keyboard warriors in reality but they’ll stick by their words.

My biggest concern is that we have individuals who’re mentally unhinged who’ll read or watch these bizarre tirades and decide to “take action”. That’s when you get shootings, stabbings, fights, vandalism, and threats.

If we want to stop this online degeneration, we need to be proactive and start taking out trash accounts and cleaning up our spaces. Even here on CAF I’ve seen some pretty disturbing posts and vile posters.

We need to nip this in the bud and establish safeguards and policies to protect our platforms. Here, I think we should start by preventing the creation of “Disposable Accounts”. In my opinion, that would really help CAF.
 
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gracepoole:
I thought it was very informative and well constructed. (Though I never advocate including Norman Finklestein in anything if it’s to be considered 100% reputable.)
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  1. Why this feeling about Finkelstein? (even though he, just as much as Foxman, was shown in a critical light and questioned on his views by the director)
  2. Do you feel this way about the ADL’s Foxman? Or do you, for some reason, put more stock in what he says and does than Finkelstein?
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I hold an academic position that deals with antisemitism and the Holocaust – I don’t believe it’s accurate or charitable to refer to a “Holocaust industry.” As for Foxman, I was pleased to see his tenure at the ADL end.
 
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