How to confront Catholic antisemitism?

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Rau said:
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gracepoole:
Sadly, there is antisemitism in my community
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What form is it taking in you local community?
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Our local Jewish Federation has been targeted twice in the past two years by antisemites – threats of violence and antisemitic graffiti. A local Jewish cemetery was attacked and gravestones desecrated. When my institution hosted an expert on Holocaust denial, a local denier threatened her and the campus.
 
@gracepoole, if you’ve seen the ‘defamation’ documentary then you saw what was going on in some of those Israeli papers. Surely you saw a Jewish editor in it basically saying, when questioned on how solid a story or statistic on anti-Semitism is, that he doesn’t care if it is true or not, they’ll put it in anyway. You saw them talk about running as many anti-Semitic stories as possible, even if they were not true.

You’d also have seen the ADLs very dubious methods of ‘calculating anti-Semitism’ and how some of the supposed incidents reported to them and recorded by them, were not anti-Semitic. One for example, was somebody emailing in that they had been denied a day off on a holiday Jews celebrate.

You’d have also seen Jews invited by the ADL to take part in a ceremony telling the director quietly (they even asked him to turn his camera off) that they know anti-Semitism isn’t as bad as the ADL makes it out to be but they just go along with it.

What about the propaganda that those students from Israel had beaten into their heads, about how anti-Semitic Poland is and how they must be careful on the streets. Then when two men who were sitting somewhere said something to the girls in Polish (they actually said they thought the group of students were from China), the girls immediately cried anti-Semitism, and that the men were being abusive.

You must have seen these parts of the documentary and that didn’t make you think twice when reading an article or survey on anti-Semitism?
 
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@gracepoole, if you’ve seen the ‘defamation’ documentary then you saw what was going on in some of those Israeli papers. Surely you saw a Jewish editor in it basically saying, when questioned on how solid a story or statistic on anti-Semitism is, that he doesn’t care if it is true or not, they’ll put it in anyway. You saw them talk about running as many anti-Semitic stories as possible, even if they were not true.

You’d also have seen the ADLs very dubious methods of ‘calculating anti-Semitism’ and how some of the supposed incidents reported to them and recorded by them, were not anti-Semitic. One for example, was somebody emailing in that they had been denied a day off on a holiday Jews celebrate.

You’d have also seen Jews invited by the ADL to take part in a ceremony telling the director quietly (they even asked him to turn his camera off) that they know anti-Semitism isn’t as bad as the ADL makes it out to be but they just go along with it.

What about the propaganda that those students from Israel had beaten into their heads, about how anti-Semitic Poland is and how they must be careful on the streets. Then when two men who were sitting somewhere said something to the girls in Polish (they actually said they thought the group of students were from China), the girls immediately cried anti-Semitism, and that the men were being abusive.

You must have seen these parts of the documentary and that didn’t make you think twice when reading an article or survey on anti-Semitism?
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You’re speaking of a documentary made over a decade ago. If you review the sources I’ve shared, the upsurge is far more recent. It’s probably wise, then, not to draw conclusions based on out of date material.
 
gracepoole said:
Anti-Jewish hate crimes spiked about 37 percent between 2016 and 2017, FBI says; hate crimes overall rose 17 percent
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How do they distinguish a kind of politically motivated crime from “ant-semitism”? Must an attack on a synagogue be anti-Semitic or could it be a politically motivated reflection of Israel’s action viz a viz the Palestinians.
 
gracepoole said:
You’re speaking of a documentary made over a decade ago. If you review the sources I’ve shared, the upsurge is far more recent. It’s probably wise, then, not to draw conclusions based on out of date material.
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This ‘out of date material’ showed how some of these sources collect their ‘evidence’. That’s why I asked you why you put so much credence into the studies you read on rising anti-Semitism.

What makes you think they are any more believable now, when this documentary showed the flimsy methodology used to collect them in the past?
 
Rau said:
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gracepoole:
Anti-Jewish hate crimes spiked about 37 percent between 2016 and 2017, FBI says; hate crimes overall rose 17 percent
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How do they distinguish a kind of politically motivated crime from “ant-semitism”? Must an attack on a synagogue be anti-Semitic or could it be a politically motivated reflection of Israel’s action viz a viz the Palestinians.
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I really, really don’t want this thread to spiral into a “disapproval of Israel is not antisemitic” discussion. I’d far prefer to keep it focused on the OP.
 
Polak said:
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gracepoole:
You’re speaking of a documentary made over a decade ago. If you review the sources I’ve shared, the upsurge is far more recent. It’s probably wise, then, not to draw conclusions based on out of date material.
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This ‘out of date material’ showed how some of these sources collect their ‘evidence’. That’s why I asked you why you put so much credence into the studies you read on rising anti-Semitism.

What makes you think they are any more believable now, when this documentary showed the flimsy methodology used to collect them in the past?
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Have you read the FBI’s report?
 
Rau said:
How do they distinguish a kind of politically motivated crime from “ant-semitism”? Must an attack on a synagogue be anti-Semitic or could it be a politically motivated reflection of Israel’s action viz a viz the Palestinians.
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Oh didn’t you know? Anti-Zionism is basically anti-Semitism too, as is being against the way that Israel treats Palestinians. Of course this makes no sense because some Jewish people are also anti-Zionist and against Israel, but hey.
 
gracepoole said:
Our local Jewish Federation has been targeted twice in the past two years by antisemites – threats of violence and antisemitic graffiti.
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Ok but what makes it “anti-Semitic” - which we regard as a special kind evil behaviour.
 
gracepoole said:
I really, really don’t want this thread to spiral into a “disapproval of Israel is not antisemitic” discussion. I’d far prefer to keep it focused on the OP.
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That’s fine, but then you seek contributions principally from those who accept the premise, rather than those who - not disputing the premise - just want to understand why it’s true.
 
A lot of trads, especially younger people, are trying to recapture the spirit of the Knights Templar I guess. “Deus Vult” is their battle cry. I mean, I like traditional Catholicism, but this is crazy. There is one guy who has Jewish roots (he converted to Catholicism) who goes by the name @thebasiccatholic who made the “mistake” of praying for the Jewish people after all these attacks. Well the private messages he got were terrible (he posted some) to the point of violence. A little off the subject but he posted a message from the new Archbishop of Manila, Cardinal Luis Antonio Tagle….just read the comment section. :roll_eyes:
 
Rau said:
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gracepoole:
I really, really don’t want this thread to spiral into a “disapproval of Israel is not antisemitic” discussion. I’d far prefer to keep it focused on the OP.
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That’s fine, but then you seek contributions principally from those who accept the premise, rather than those who - not disputing the premise - just want to understand why it’s true.
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I’m generally good with IHRA’s working definition:

 
Rau said:
How do they distinguish a kind of politically motivated crime from “ant-semitism”? Must an attack on a synagogue be anti-Semitic or could it be a politically motivated reflection of Israel’s action viz a viz the Palestinians.
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I would think a politically-motivated attack wouldn’t target people at a synagogue, for example.

It would be like if somebody opposed America’s involvement in Syria, and then they bombed a baptist church.
 
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Unfortunately, this seems to implicate more radical traditional Catholics…
 
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Cruciferi said:
Unfortunately, this seems to implicate more radical traditional Catholics…
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This is what happens when a group of people who already have far-right, hardline views decide to further isolate themselves by only ever going to a specific Mass. There is nobody left to moderate their opinions and they end up outdoing and 1-upping each other and becoming more and more radical.
 
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