How to confront Catholic antisemitism?

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Polak said:
Yes I know who it was crafted by and no, I don’t have to agree with them, just because they are experts.
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You don’t have to agree with experts – but why wouldn’t you? By virtue of being experts they empirically know more than you do.
Polak said:
I’m sure there are plenty of other experts who weren’t involved, that might disagree with them.
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Who are these experts? Can you please provide some examples?
Polak said:
For instance, ‘Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations’ isn’t anti-Semitism to me, even though IHRA defines it as such.
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It should be seen as antisemitism. Claiming that Jews are more loyal to Israel is evidence of the myth that Jews are part of a worldwide cabal bent on their success and the destruction of other peoples.
Polak said:
Some Jews even admit to caring more about Israel and Jewish issues than the country they live in. If they say it, it’s okay, but if someone else does, it’s anti-Semitism?
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If, for example, the claim is made that a Jewish political candidate can’t be trusted because he or she is naturally more loyal to Israel, this is antisemitic.
Polak said:
As for you point on it being wrong to suggest there are organisations who profit from the Holocaust, have you heard of the S447 Act?
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Yes.
 
Mark121359 said:
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gracepoole:
I provided three sources above. Let me know if you want or need more. Sadly, there is antisemitism in my community — and in many others across the US.
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You said that there’s a documented jump in antisemitic speech and activity. I skimmed through these sources rather quickly. But nowhere did I see the word Catholic. The title of this thread is How to confront “Catholic” antisemitism. Now where is the documentation of this Catholic antisemitism?
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Are you on Twitter?
 
TMC said:
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tafan2:
I share your concern about the drastic increase in anti-Semitism. However, I am not on Twitter, so I have not seen this prevalence among some Catholics. Is that documented? I remember one thread on this forum discussing it and it did raise it’s ugly head there. Just curious/worried about it among Catholics.
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I can’t speak for Grace, but for me Catholic anti-Semitism is a particular concern for a couple of reasons. One of those reasons is the history of anti-Semitism in Catholicism, and the attempt by some Catholic (or at least purportedly Catholic) groups to revive those sentiments. I have seen a disappointing amount of that sort of rhetoric lately, including some here at CAF.
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VERY well said.
 
gracepoole said:
Are you on Twitter?
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No. I don’t do social media. You have to remember that social media, Twitter, Facebook etc. can be a cesspool in many ways. It draws all kinds. And not all good. Just because there are catholics on there that are antisemitic tells me nothing. I would wager that they’re not practicing. Hell, look at some of the Catholic politicians and what they espouse!
 
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gracepoole said:
Cesspools or not, these platforms are evidence of antisemitic activity by Catholics.
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Yeah…in your opinion! Also, I’ve been on this forum for quite a few years. I’ve yet to see this on this forum as you say. The moderators would be all over it, and the perp would be outta here. Just not seeing your “Catholic” antisemitism.
 
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Yeah, the mods have been all over it. It has absolutely been here.
 
Mark121359 said:
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gracepoole:
the Catholic antisemites on Twitter are traditional Catholics.
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Now why did I know this was coming? The ole’ Latin Mass folks! :roll_eyes:
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If you know anything about me around here, you know I defend the EF and traditional Catholics. That doesn’t mean antisemitism isn’t a problem among its most fringey members. I think Bishop Williamson and his devotees prove that without the help of social media.
 
Mark121359 said:
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DeniseNY:
Yeah, the mods have been all over it. It has absolutely been here.
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Give just one example! You can’t just say it exists, and expect everyone to just accept it.
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Many antisemitic comments, thankfully, have been removed by mods. Many. Several posters in this thread have noted the problem – are we all simply imagining it? The “What is antisemitism?” thread from this past March, for example, was riddled with it. And again, thankfully the mods rightfully did their thing.
 
There has been a rash of anti-Semitic attacks in New York State and New York City, largely against Orthodox Jews. That hits very close to home, whereas the upsurge in Europe is something that I have only been reading about.
 
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As I said, the mods have been all over it and they delete the posts, and the poster. I’ve personally flagged anti-Semitic posts in the past. I’m not sure why you think we’re lying about this.
 
meltzerboy2 said:
There has been a rash of anti-Semitic attacks in New York State and New York City, largely against Orthodox Jews. That hits very close to home.
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I can only imagine. I’m further west in the state than you and I’m obviously not Jewish. But I feel extremely frightened by what’s happening.
 
I’m frightened for my Jewish friends in NY. The last couple of weeks have been very scary.
 
DeniseNY said:
As I said, the mods have been all over it and they delete the posts, and the poster. I’ve personally flagged anti-Semitic posts in the past. I’m not sure why you think we’re lying about this.
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But how does that prove that that poster was Catholic??? I can join this forum and claim I’m a fighter pilot…doesn’t mean it’s true!
 
Mark121359 said:
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DeniseNY:
As I said, the mods have been all over it and they delete the posts, and the poster. I’ve personally flagged anti-Semitic posts in the past. I’m not sure why you think we’re lying about this.
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But how does that prove that that poster was Catholic??? I can join this forum and claim I’m a fighter pilot…doesn’t mean it’s true!
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Why are you so resistant to accepting that some Catholics are antisemitic?
 
I’m absolutely arguing in good faith to defend the many good traditionalist Catholics on here who are being slandered, for lack of a better word.
 
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