How to know for sure that the gods and angels of ancient times including Jehovah weren't actually ETs?

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dshix said:
I don’t think I need to answer that question.

Excepting your use of “gods”, which never have and never will exist, God and His angels are in Heaven, as they always have been.
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So, the thread is clear, how could we know that what contacted humans were really angels and not ET’s.
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
So, the thread is clear, how could we know that what contacted humans were really angels and not ET’s.
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The angels who communicated with people in the Old Testament did so in accordance with God’s plan for the world. Once they had performed their duty, they returned immediately to Heaven.

Had these been extraterrestrial beings, they both would be unable to do actions only according to God’s will, since they would by physical beings still in the physical world, and they would not likely remain hidden from us all this time. There is no reason why we would not have encountered some aliens by now.
 
Occam’s Razor.

I know atheists use it a lot, arguing that science is supposedly a simpler explanation than religion. But oftentimes, I feel like the supernatural is the easier explanation. Suppose they really were ETs. Well that raises a lot of questions:
  1. Where are they from?
  2. Why did they come here?
  3. What sort of technology did they use to travel at warp speeds?
  4. What sort of fuel source?
  5. Why aren’t they sharing it with us?
  6. How are they speaking English? Okay, really Ancient Hebrew. But you get the point.
  7. How do they already know about earthly affairs like Israel being rebellious?
You get the point. Contrary to what atheists would argue, I think it’s a simpler explanation to just recognize it as God and his angels, rather than trying to “rationalize” it as ETs.
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
So, the thread is clear, how could we know that what contacted humans were really angels and not ET’s.
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You don’t. Our knowledge is imperfect and incomplete. Though in general there’s not many people that have come across that which convinces them otherwise.
 
Razanir said:
Occam’s Razor.

I know atheists use it a lot, arguing that science is supposedly a simpler explanation than religion. But oftentimes, I feel like the supernatural is the easier explanation. Suppose they really were ETs. Well that raises a lot of questions:
  1. Where are they from?
  2. Why did they come here?
  3. What sort of technology did they use to travel at warp speeds?
  4. What sort of fuel source?
  5. Why aren’t they sharing it with us?
  6. How are they speaking English? Okay, really Ancient Hebrew. But you get the point.
  7. How do they already know about earthly affairs like Israel being rebellious?
You get the point. Contrary to what atheists would argue, I think it’s a simpler explanation to just recognize it as God and his angels, rather than trying to “rationalize” it as ETs.
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I agree that supernatural explanations are easier for the majority to understand but it doesn’t mean it’s true, supernatural explanations could handle a lot of varieties and differencies, if you are able to explain the reality by saying “angels”, another person would suggest another supernatural explanation which could be easier than yours but not necessarly the truth.

Why there is light and darkness?

“An invisible monster eats the sun every night and then threw it the other day.”

That’s an easy supernatural explanation but not the truth.
 
Well we do know that the Zoroastrians, whose written records predate Judaism, worshipped “good thought” and believed in life after death.

I would argue that their God was the Holy Spirit, since the truth was clearly revealed to them.
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
:eek: :confused: scary!
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No. Not.

Anyone who actually opens up the Bible and reads it knows that the four living creatures are identified as Cherubim in Ezekiel 10.

***These were the living creatures I had seen beneath the God of Israel by the river Chebar. Now I knew they were cherubim. *(Ezekiel 10:20)

The description of God’s throne is from Exodus 24. The one who had the appearance of a man is from Exodus 33, when Moses was allowed to see God’s back. The direction where it all came from - a storm from the North - is symbolic of God’s abode from Job 37 and Psalm 48.

beautiful in elevation,
is the joy of all the earth,
Mount Zion, in the far north,
the city of the great King.
(Psalm 48:2)

This is what happens when we don’t actually open the Bible and read it. We get sucked into all kinds of ideas about aliens and get drawn into man made religions.

-Tim-
 
Given the accuracy of biblical prophecy in predicting Christ, his death, and his resurrection…
Then given the length of time involved between prophecy and fulfillment.

Aliens would be a difficult explanation.

This would be a tall order for anyone less then God.
 
Razanir said:
Occam’s Razor.

I know atheists use it a lot, arguing that science is supposedly a simpler explanation than religion. But oftentimes, I feel like the supernatural is the easier explanation. Suppose they really were ETs. Well that raises a lot of questions:
  1. Where are they from?
Unless they told us, we’ll never know. They may be leery ever since Jacob mugged one of them.
  1. Why did they come here?
Tourists?
  1. What sort of technology did they use to travel at warp speeds?
  2. What sort of fuel source?
You think an ancient Israelite is going to understand alien technology, even if they were told? I don’t understand nuclear generators, be durned if I could explain one. And if someone started to try to explain hadron colliders or what not to me, and asked me to take notes… :whacky:
  1. Why aren’t they sharing it with us?
Maybe the fuel requires something not available here on earth, like dilithium, or unobtainium, or good government.
  1. How are they speaking English? Okay, really Ancient Hebrew. But you get the point.
Babelfish.
  1. How do they already know about earthly affairs like Israel being rebellious?
The King James Version. Duh! :rolleyes: If it was good enough for Jesus…
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Razanir said:
Occam’s Razor.

I know atheists use it a lot, arguing that science is supposedly a simpler explanation than religion. But oftentimes, I feel like the supernatural is the easier explanation. Suppose they really were ETs. Well that raises a lot of questions:
  1. Where are they from?
  2. Why did they come here?
  3. What sort of technology did they use to travel at warp speeds?
  4. What sort of fuel source?
  5. Why aren’t they sharing it with us?
  6. How are they speaking English? Okay, really Ancient Hebrew. But you get the point.
  7. How do they already know about earthly affairs like Israel being rebellious?
You get the point. Contrary to what atheists would argue, I think it’s a simpler explanation to just recognize it as God and his angels, rather than trying to “rationalize” it as ETs.
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I agree with you.

Question 8) Who created them?
Question 9) Why would they want to deal with us?

🍿:bounce::whacky:
 
LibralAteoJesus said:
I agree that supernatural explanations are easier for the majority to understand but it doesn’t mean it’s true, supernatural explanations could handle a lot of varieties and differencies, if you are able to explain the reality by saying “angels”, another person would suggest another supernatural explanation which could be easier than yours but not necessarly the truth.

Why there is light and darkness?

“An invisible monster eats the sun every night and then threw it the other day.”

That’s an easy supernatural explanation but not the truth.
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Except then it starts to get complicated again. Supernatural beings over ETs, sure. Supernatural beings over science? Depends. The earth revolving around the sun is a simple explanation. But to me, determinism makes far less sense logically and statistically than a supernatural aspect to life, namely the soul.
John_Lazarus said:
Clever responses
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Babelfish… I don’t know. I was personally hypothesizing a telepathic field, myself. What we need to do is find these aliens, teach them Ancient Hebrew, take them back in time, and see if it sounds like Welsh to the Israelites. (Would the Israelites even know what Welsh sounds like?)
 
People that believe that the first chapter of Ezekiel refers to aliens need to read the rest of the book.
 
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