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pnewton
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I guess I am one of the few here that actually does this literally. I have been involved in getting many deported as well as reporting the status of illegal immigrants to INS. In all fairness, though, all the ones I have reported have been criminals. I never lose sight of the humanity of these people and it is probably for this very reason that I am drawn to a predominantly hispanic parish, with many undocumented parishoners.
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tqualey
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Hi, Bullfighter,
I am distressed by the seeming bitterness in these posts - and, I am still waiting for a response to my post: #163.
But, you know, Bullfighter, there is a much Higher Court presided over by Christ the King. Who we all must answer to.
No American wants to see another American go hungry. Actually, I can not think of anyone who really wants to see other humans go hungry. For the US to provide for US Citizens first only makes sense - ultimately, all human resources are finite.The issue before all of us is how to make a broken and overly bureaucratic system work.
Truly, this is an area where thoughtful dialogue and prayer is needed. On-going bitterness is simply a monster that is feeding on hatred… and, it mocks the host it consumes.
Looking forward to your ideas per post #163.
God bless
I am distressed by the seeming bitterness in these posts - and, I am still waiting for a response to my post: #163.
I guess it all depends on what is being challenged and what is needed for evidence. Remember, the Bible is still used in some courts to swear the oath that one will tell the truth.
But, you know, Bullfighter, there is a much Higher Court presided over by Christ the King. Who we all must answer to.
No American wants to see another American go hungry. Actually, I can not think of anyone who really wants to see other humans go hungry. For the US to provide for US Citizens first only makes sense - ultimately, all human resources are finite.The issue before all of us is how to make a broken and overly bureaucratic system work.
Truly, this is an area where thoughtful dialogue and prayer is needed. On-going bitterness is simply a monster that is feeding on hatred… and, it mocks the host it consumes.
Looking forward to your ideas per post #163.
God bless
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Bullfighter
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If a Latino goes to the church I have exposed as using church property to support the invasion, he gets help. But what about other races. The Catholic Church is supposed to be neutral in these matters.
I want to hear the Pope say," It is not a sin to invade the US with a foreign population."
I want to hear the Pope say, “It is OK to use Church property to support those who have invaded to US and to give them preferential treatment when using Church funds.”
I want to hear the Pope say," Americans must feed the foreign poor before they take care of their fellow loyal American."
I want to hear the Pope say, “It is OK to use the Catholic Church to help criminals(illegal aliens) evade US law and feed off of the Church.”
Have YOU read the Kennedy-McCain bill???
How about Bill S 1348, another Kennedy betrayal of America. He doesn’t care because they won’t be living in HIS neighborhood. He went on to babble about the hard working immigrant was sending 48 BILLION dollars out of this country to the poor families in Latin America and how that helps the US economy. How does removing 48 BILLION dollars from the US help US citizens.
Did you notice one of the names on those bills was Barach Obama? Did you notice that one of those bills had the Dream Act in it. Not only will Americans be forced to pay for a free K-12 education for these invaders, but the US taxpayer will continue to be fleeced for college schooling of these illegals. Educate the illegal before you feed the American poor.
Did you know that most US politicians don’t even read the bills they’re signing? They’ve actually admitted to it. That is part of the reason this invasion has been going on for decades. It’s called betrayal.
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Bullfighter
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I didn’t respond to that post because you don’t seem to have a grasp of the situation here. The children do anything they want and no one dares to stop them. It is a “Perfect Storm” for gangs. Our town president proudly talks about how the crime rate is down 60%. He’s white and is running again for town president. What did you expect.Hi, Bullfighter,
I am distressed by the seeming bitterness in these posts - and, I am still waiting for a response to my post: #163.
I guess it all depends on what is being challenged and what is needed for evidence. Remember, the Bible is still used in some courts to swear the oath that one will tell the truth.
But, you know, Bullfighter, there is a much Higher Court presided over by Christ the King. Who we all must answer to.
No American wants to see another American go hungry. Actually, I can not think of anyone who really wants to see other humans go hungry. For the US to provide for US Citizens first only makes sense - ultimately, all human resources are finite.The issue before all of us is how to make a broken and overly bureaucratic system work.
Truly, this is an area where thoughtful dialogue and prayer is needed. On-going bitterness is simply a monster that is feeding on hatred… and, it mocks the host it consumes.
Looking forward to your ideas per post #163.
God bless
A former pastor for my Church talked about the evil in our neighborhood and the Mexicans didn’t like that reference to their children so they had him replaced. He also called them on using Church property for their businesses.
Try going on the FBI’s website and see their literature on gangs. That is closer to the truth. Your too late as far as using any of your methods in this neighborhood. The only solution to stop the invasion of the US and save the world from a future in which the living will envy the dead is to use military force on the offending countries. Make the countries where these people originate pay the price.
I have no sympathy for people who will bite the hand that feeds them.
Watch what the French had to put up with on New Year’s Eve:
** news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7807516.stm**
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Carjack1
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These links that you provided, do not state that illegal immigration is the cause of the homelessness.
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Carjack1
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So it is your theory that the US politicians do not read bills so that illegal immigrants can “invade” our country? Your posts sound hysterical and paranoid.If a LatinoLatinos and illegal immigrants are not always in the same categories, please stop stereotyping goes to the church I have exposed as using church property to support the invasion, he gets help. But what about other races. The Catholic Church is supposed to be neutral in these matters. The Catholic Church helps everyone and is neutral in those cases. The illegal immigrants are not invading the US.
I want to hear the Pope say," It is not a sin to invade the US with a foreign population."Pope speaks about our spiritual well being. Not about Nationalism
I want to hear the Pope say, "It is OK to use Church property to support those who have invaded to US and to give them preferential treatment when using Church funds."He doesn’t have to say it. People do not go to Church to “use” it. They go there for spiritual guidance.
I want to hear the Pope say," Americans must feed the foreign poor before they take care of their fellow loyal American."He will not give any indication that states he prefers that Americans will be taken care of over OTHER PEOPLE and vice versa!
I want to hear the Pope say, "It is OK to use the Catholic Church to help criminals(illegal aliens) evade US law and feed off of the Church."You will not hear the Pope state that and that is not what other Catholics are implying
Have YOU read the Kennedy-McCain bill???
How about Bill S 1348, another Kennedy betrayal of America. He doesn’t care because they won’t be living in HIS neighborhoodHow do you know who is living in his neighborhood?. He went on to babble about the hard working immigrant was sending 48 BILLION dollars out of this country to the poor families in Latin America and how that helps the US economy. How does removing 48 BILLION dollars from the US help US citizens.
Did you notice one of the names on those bills was Barach Obama? Did you notice that one of those bills had the Dream Act in it. Not only will Americans be forced to pay for a free K-12 education for these invaders, but the US taxpayer will continue to be fleeced for college schooling of these illegalsIllegal is an adjective, not a noun. Educate the illegal before you feed the American poor.Yeah, that is exactly what the US is saying:whacky:
Did you know that most US politicians don’t even read the bills they’re signing? They’ve actually admitted to it. That is part of the reason this invasion has been going on for decades. It’s called betrayal.
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tqualey
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Let me see if I have this straight…
You are in the middle of a self-described ‘combat-zone’ called your neighborhood,
You have first hand information information about illegal activity (crime) because you have been victimized by it,
You are watching your city as it is being turned over to thugs of various - but, predominately foreign origin, and you chose to ignore my post because…
The ‘solution’ you have elected is…
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You can chose to ignore a rational and peaceful means of addressing your problem - but, please note, you do so at the risk of losing both physican and mental health. These ‘solutions’ of yours are, in my opinion, neither Christ-like or in keeping with any statements from the CC. Back off, calm down, cathch your breath and re-read what you are proposing. This appears to be advocating plain unjustified violence, and that is evil.
As Catholics we are to peacefully advocate for Justice. You state you have been un-justly treated, and I do not doubt your statements about how you have been abused. But to advocate war as a solution to what you have said is simply not logical - and betrays an embittered spirit.
God bless
You are in the middle of a self-described ‘combat-zone’ called your neighborhood,
You have first hand information information about illegal activity (crime) because you have been victimized by it,
You are watching your city as it is being turned over to thugs of various - but, predominately foreign origin, and you chose to ignore my post because…
Just what part of your problem do you think I have not grapsed?
The ‘solution’ you have elected is…
“…military force on the offending countries…” sounds like a call to war against Mexico, Central and South America (based on your definition, I do not know if we could stop there - we may need to add Canada, UK, Europe… I really do not know where you would stop?
)You can chose to ignore a rational and peaceful means of addressing your problem - but, please note, you do so at the risk of losing both physican and mental health. These ‘solutions’ of yours are, in my opinion, neither Christ-like or in keeping with any statements from the CC. Back off, calm down, cathch your breath and re-read what you are proposing. This appears to be advocating plain unjustified violence, and that is evil.
As Catholics we are to peacefully advocate for Justice. You state you have been un-justly treated, and I do not doubt your statements about how you have been abused. But to advocate war as a solution to what you have said is simply not logical - and betrays an embittered spirit.
God bless
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LeroyCRHP
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I always love the British reporting on the French! Favorite topic for the BBC to report on.
This is what happens when you have a large immigration and severely repress them. Most of the immigrants are Moroccans in France, unemployment is extremely high, and the French generally make life tough on them. This is a great example, if you do not assimilate the immigrants they form their own country in a country. In Belgium the Moroccan’s are pushing for Arabic to be the 4th official language of the country.
This is what happens when you have a large immigration and severely repress them. Most of the immigrants are Moroccans in France, unemployment is extremely high, and the French generally make life tough on them. This is a great example, if you do not assimilate the immigrants they form their own country in a country. In Belgium the Moroccan’s are pushing for Arabic to be the 4th official language of the country.
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RobertLGarrett
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She is neutral. Please show where the Church is withholding support based on race.
There are quotes about immigration by the Pope. Try looking them up. [Immigration is not invasion.]
The Church supports those in need. If there is a greater need, she may increase the support levels in that area, but she is not avoiding other needy in favor of one group.
He won’t say that, because the Church doesn’t teach or practice such action.
It is common for the Church and others not to turn in parishioners for tax evasion, traffic tickets and other violations. It is not the role of the clergy to turn people in under all circumstances. Also, if turning them in means that families will be separated, she sees that as a greater wrong than the immigration itself.
Yes. While I didn’t agree with every single point in the bill, I supported it overall. It was the best reform that was presented. From a practical standpoint, we all should have supported it. If you think you will get better from the next Congress than you are even less bright than your posts let on.
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Bullfighter
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Tribute to Dietrich BonhoefferLet me see if I have this straight…
You are in the middle of a self-described ‘combat-zone’ called your neighborhood,
You have first hand information information about illegal activity (crime) because you have been victimized by it,
You are watching your city as it is being turned over to thugs of various - but, predominately foreign origin, and you chose to ignore my post because…
Just what part of your problem do you think I have not grapsed?
The ‘solution’ you have elected is…
“…military force on the offending countries…” sounds like a call to war against Mexico, Central and South America (based on your definition, I do not know if we could stop there - we may need to add Canada, UK, Europe… I really do not know where you would stop?
You can chose to ignore a rational and peaceful means of addressing your problem - but, please note, you do so at the risk of losing both physican and mental health. These ‘solutions’ of yours are, in my opinion, neither Christ-like or in keeping with any statements from the CC. Back off, calm down, cathch your breath and re-read what you are proposing. This appears to be advocating plain unjustified violence, and that is evil.
As Catholics we are to peacefully advocate for Justice. You state you have been un-justly treated, and I do not doubt your statements about how you have been abused. But to advocate war as a solution to what you have said is simply not logical - and betrays an embittered spirit.
God bless
It takes far more courage to act when the choices for action are repugnant, than to take no action and deny all responsibility for what happens. To make no decision at all is not to avoid responsibility; it is to endorse whatever decision is reached by others. It is meaningless to oppose a plan, however onerous the plan may be, if you offer no substitute course of action. Sticking your head in the sand does not absolve you from responsibility for what happens around you. Doing nothing is no solution to a moral dilemma but merely avoidance of a solution.
Christians are, therefore, faced with a dilemma: when assaulted by evil, they must oppose it through direct action. They have no other option. Any failure to act is simply to condone evil.
Ethics… Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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Bullfighter
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The United Nations must make a firm resolution that one country is not responsible for the people of another. Just because one country is prosperous and civilized, another nation should not try to invade that country and call it immigration.
I was just on the NATO website yesterday and their charter is basically to help any of the signed member nations if under attack by a non-member nation.
Isn’t it about time Europe payed the US back for all the help we have given it over the years. It will be Europe that will face danger once the gangster nations of Latin America get their hands on US nuclear weapons.
Countries south of the border have no idea what a World War is like because most of those countries took a siesta and didn’t get involved. But they picked crops then complained how they had to pay Social Security benefits. Poor Babies!!
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Carjack1
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Stop claiming to be Catholic. You have hatred for hispanics. Sorry to tell you the comment highlighted in red, reveals your hatred, which is NOTin Christ. You sound like Hitler who blamed all the Jewish people for Germany’s problems, which was insaneThe United Nations must make a firm resolution that one country is not responsible for the people of another. Just because one country is prosperous and civilized, another nation should not try to invade that country and call it immigration.
I was just on the NATO website yesterday and their charter is basically to help any of the signed member nations if under attack by a non-member nation.
Isn’t it about time Europe payed the US back for all the help we have given it over the years. It will be Europe that will face danger once the gangster nations of Latin America get their hands on US nuclear weapons. You, Bullfighter, have lost any credibility you ever had!!!
Countries south of the border have no idea what a World War is like because most of those countries took a siesta and didn’t get involved. But they picked crops then complained how they had to pay Social Security benefits. Poor Babies!!
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pnewton
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You know if everyone but you sees this spiel as hate-filled, it may not be that the whole world is wrong but you.
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tqualey
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Hi, Bullfighter,
I think we are in agreement on something
Now, I will try not to get carried away … but, it really is worth noting .
Now, this was written by a victim of Nazi oppression - and ultimately killed by this evil group. Since this is not the case today, let’s take a look at this quote and what we as a group can do:
For many people, taking the Way of Christ - praying for one’s enemies, trying to help others to improve themselves, working for Justice and with Charity - are really repugnant! Far more dramatic to declare war on those we do not agree with! But, this is not the answer - and it surely is not the way to fulfill the Law of Christ to Love God and one’s neighbor as one’s self.
2.) "to take no action and deny all responsibiity for what happens…"
Just imagine - working with your neighbors and elected officials to set up a “Neighborhood Watch” or some other such group to help get your own neighborhood back! Finding our what it will take - from all citizens so that there can be safe neighborhoods for all. This sounds like positive behavior to me!
3.) "To make no decision at all is not to avoid responsibility; it is to endorse whatever decision is reached by others …"
Look at this - this is no endorsement to sit on the curb and cry that things are not going your way. There is no call for war against innocent civilians and non-combatants. This is, however, and endoresement to seize the day - to move forward with a Christ-centered positive approach to addressing the problems you have identified. Note - there is no call to hate or belittle others - and surely no call for bitterness.
Bullfighter! This was an excellent quote Now, if you have read this far … you probably have every reason to believe that I did not look at your presentation in the light you presented it. I did this, not because I lack understanding of what you are saying, but, rather, because I understand that hatred and bitterness will get you no where close to where you want to be - either in this life or the next. 
Take a moment and pray about changing the way you approach this topic. Other posters have identified that you are really outside of the teaching of the CC - and, they are correct. I realize that you have seen a lot - but, this does not mean you can not see more but from a different perspective.
You’re in my prayers.
God bless
I think we are in agreement on something
Now, I will try not to get carried away … but, it really is worth noting .Now, this was written by a victim of Nazi oppression - and ultimately killed by this evil group. Since this is not the case today, let’s take a look at this quote and what we as a group can do:
1.) "to act when the choices for action are repugnant…"
For many people, taking the Way of Christ - praying for one’s enemies, trying to help others to improve themselves, working for Justice and with Charity - are really repugnant! Far more dramatic to declare war on those we do not agree with! But, this is not the answer - and it surely is not the way to fulfill the Law of Christ to Love God and one’s neighbor as one’s self.
2.) "to take no action and deny all responsibiity for what happens…"
Just imagine - working with your neighbors and elected officials to set up a “Neighborhood Watch” or some other such group to help get your own neighborhood back! Finding our what it will take - from all citizens so that there can be safe neighborhoods for all. This sounds like positive behavior to me!
3.) "To make no decision at all is not to avoid responsibility; it is to endorse whatever decision is reached by others …"
Look at this - this is no endorsement to sit on the curb and cry that things are not going your way. There is no call for war against innocent civilians and non-combatants. This is, however, and endoresement to seize the day - to move forward with a Christ-centered positive approach to addressing the problems you have identified. Note - there is no call to hate or belittle others - and surely no call for bitterness.
Bullfighter! This was an excellent quote
Now, if you have read this far … you probably have every reason to believe that I did not look at your presentation in the light you presented it. I did this, not because I lack understanding of what you are saying, but, rather, because I understand that hatred and bitterness will get you no where close to where you want to be - either in this life or the next. Take a moment and pray about changing the way you approach this topic. Other posters have identified that you are really outside of the teaching of the CC - and, they are correct.
I realize that you have seen a lot - but, this does not mean you can not see more but from a different perspective.You’re in my prayers.
God bless
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Bullfighter
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I’ve given the same evidence over and over. If you can’t click on the links, you won’t see the proof.
Tell me the difference between immigration and invasion and I will show you why this is an invasion.
Read the links I provided. Apparently the only groups that the Catholic Church feels worthy of feeding is either named immigrant or Latino. LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE!!!
What about the families from other parts of the world? I guess they don’t care about the rest of the world.
There is no compromise with evil. Every American must make the decision to either watch their country be overrun or do something about it. No one is helpless. And no one can corrupt you without your permission.
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Bullfighter
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You must think that all Catholics are suckers or at least the white ones are. How many of Mexico’s presidents were in bed with the drug cartels. Who are you trying to kid. Your wonderful people have been sending that poison across the border to kill Americans for years!
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RobertLGarrett
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I’ve read your links and they show that some of the support the Church is providing is directed toward hispanic immigrants. You have not demonstrated that anyone else is being denied help. You just keep repeating the same racist tripe over and over again.
As for immigration and invasion:
Now, please, without condemning entire groups of people from one race/ethnicity, explain how the immigration of people into our country illegally is an “invasion.”
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Bullfighter
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You don’t need to be wearing a uniform and carrying a gun to be a threat to a country. Invasion by shear numbers is nothing new in warfare.
And as I think I have explained to the more simple minded on this message board, I will do so again because apparently no one can read my posts correctly.
If I am defending my country from invasion, I am not the racist, the invaders are.
If I am trying to defend the rights of people from the other countries around the world to have a chance to immigrate here instead of being pushed aside by the Latin American hoards, I am not the racist, the Latin Americans are!
Immigration, by definition, requires that the immigrant obey the law and is not seeking to change the laws,culture, or society of the country they immigrate to.
Invaders, by definition, seek to change the laws, culture, and society, for the benefit of the invaders.
Which would you say those people more closely appear to be when they hold those rallies.
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RobertLGarrett
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Immigrants.
Your arguments make a lot of assumptions that are blatantlly false. If there was a grand conspiracy by people from Latin America to invade our country and take it over, then you would have a point. Such a grand conspiracy does not exist, except in your mind and in a couple of very small, very fringe groups of Latin Americans. The reason your views are racist is because you are attributing such conspiratorial notion to an entire group of people, based purely on their race. That is racism by definition.
The vast majority of immigrants come here for their own personal reasons - generally for financial and/or “American dream” sort of reasons. The same reasons that immigrants have come here (legally or illegally) throughout the history of our country.
I join you in the desire to fix the immigration issue. I agree that it is unfair to people who play by the rules to face deportation because their Visas have run out, while millions of people who came in illegally fly under the radar. I have a friend and former co-worker who is a Mexican-national married to a Japanese-national - both are here on valid work Visas. If he loses his job (the company is shakey), they are in a real bind. Apparently, his wife has a better chance of getting approved for a green card, because she is from Japan. I am hoping they get that in place before anything happens to his job.
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