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jack_hawkins
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talk about one massive tu quoque!!!
please let’s have some logic here…
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please let’s have some logic here…
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itsjustdave1988
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Good answer. Same answer for me as to why I reject Islam.
God gave me a brain, and I discern that Muhammed’s behavior was unholy, far from the holiness of Jesus. I follow Jesus.
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Valke2
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I have never visited answering islam.org. But now you are asking for discrepancies that have not been found by that website? Why?
And to backtrack a second, let’s assume there is no discrepancy, not a single one in Quran, what does that prove? It is not exactly rocket science to write a book that doesn’t openly contradict itself.
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Valke2
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I have never visited answering islam.org. But now you are asking for discrepancies that have not been found by that website? Why?
And to backtrack a second, let’s assume there is no discrepancy, not a single one in Quran, what does that prove? It is not exactly rocket science to write a book that doesn’t openly contradict itself.
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Valke2
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I have never visited answering islam.org. But now you are asking for discrepancies that have not been found by that website? Why?
And to backtrack a second, let’s assume there is no discrepancy, not a single one in Quran, what does that prove? It is not exactly rocket science to write a book that doesn’t openly contradict itself.
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cestusdei
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Valke2
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Every Christian, Jew and Buddhist on this thread would answer “No”. the Qur’an is not the Word of the Creator. Maybe a better question would be “has Islam improved the lives of those who follow it?”
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Montalban
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In theory you could. But do you actually dispute the Koranic verses I cited? (for e.g.) (see also last point below)
There’s no claims in the Bible as to embryos.
That the Koran is faulty, despite your OP
They don’t necessarily lead from one to the other. But the OP is about the Koran being right/wrong, so naturally those that think it’s wrong post evidence to show that it’s wrong. This is NOT a thread about the Bible. You invited people here to test the truth of the Koran, now you reel away from that!
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Montalban
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I think he just genuinely thought we’d all go “Hey, you know, the Koran’s right!”
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Montalban
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But you deny our using our brains by howling in protest when we don’t just meekly accept the Koran
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hosemonkey
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False prophet, false religion, a religion that has brought nothing to the world except fear and repression, a backward religion that allows no dissent or contradiction, a religion that brooks no opposition. Why no churches in Saudi Arabia? Mohammed? A caravan raider with delusions of grandeur and a great imagination. He and Joseph Smith were brothers. Something(the Koran) is not true just 'cause you say it is.
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Verisimilitude
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Other quotes by hamba2han:
The fools (pagans, hypocrites, and Jews) among the people will say, “What has turned them (Muslims) from their Qiblah (prayer direction (towards Jerusalem)) to which they were used to face in prayer.” Say, (O Muhammad SAW) “To Allah belong both, east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a Straight Way.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #142)
Say (O Muhammad SAW): My Lord has commanded justice and (said) that you should face Him only (i.e. worship none but Allah and face the Qiblah, i.e. the Kabah at Makkah during prayers) in each and every place of worship, in prayers (and not to face other false deities and idols), and invoke Him only making your religion sincere to Him by not joining in worship any partner to Him and with the intention that you are doing your deeds for Allahs sake only. As He brought you (into being) in the beginning, so shall you be brought into being (on the Day of Resurrection) (in two groups, one as a blessed one (believers), and the other as a wretched one (disbelievers)).
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #29)
**Historical fact as well as Qur’an that Islamic prayers were first directed toward Jerusalem. **
And when We change a Verse (of the Quran, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order) in place of another, and Allah knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: “You (O Muhammad SAW) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar).” Nay, but most of them know not.
( سورة النحل , An-Nahl, Chapter #16, Verse #101)
Whatever a Verse (revelation) do We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring a better one or similar to it. Know you not that Allah is able to do all things?
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #106)
Sounds like someone changed their mind.
If you are truly sincere about determining whether or not the Qur’an is truly the Word of the Creator you would see it is false by it’s own words. 6 years ago I studied Islam because if it was from God, I wanted to know what He said.
What has been corrupted 600 years before Muhammed?
Why in the world would God say this?
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exoflare
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Hahaha… I hadn’t posted here in a long time, but looking at this thread I was about to reply to the OP the exact same way until I saw your post!Good answer. Same answer for me as to why I reject Islam.
God gave me a brain, and I discern that Muhammed’s behavior was unholy, far from the holiness of Jesus. I follow Jesus.
It’s like I’ve said here many times before, the Muslims’ “proofs” of their faith always have to be subjective in some way.
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Montalban
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Part of the problem is that acceptence of Islam is a rejection of thinking. Thus in all honesty Moslems put forward such arguments without thinking because they believe that it just is so, that everyone else must just see that it is too.
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Kaninchen
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I’ve often thought that one of the major problems in discussions with Muslims is language itself. Anybody who speaks more than one language knows that translation beyond the very basic requires a kind of “cultural shift” into the mindset of the language concerned – language projects ideas but it also frames them.
My languages are all European and it’s constantly problematic for me – for anybody dealing with Arabic, trying to convey concepts into English, it must be a nightmare and I think that it’s a core reason why Muslims discussing Islamic ideas often seem to be coming from another world, as if the expression of ideas were being done by somebody trying to do a ‘word by word’ translation with a not very extensive dictionary.
This is not meant to be a criticism of Muslim posters, Arabic is a terribly difficult language for English speakers, it’s meant to be towards an explanation to them of why we can’t ‘hear’ what they are saying and to us as to why what they say often doesn’t make sense to us.
My languages are all European and it’s constantly problematic for me – for anybody dealing with Arabic, trying to convey concepts into English, it must be a nightmare and I think that it’s a core reason why Muslims discussing Islamic ideas often seem to be coming from another world, as if the expression of ideas were being done by somebody trying to do a ‘word by word’ translation with a not very extensive dictionary.
This is not meant to be a criticism of Muslim posters, Arabic is a terribly difficult language for English speakers, it’s meant to be towards an explanation to them of why we can’t ‘hear’ what they are saying and to us as to why what they say often doesn’t make sense to us.
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Montalban
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A common response by Moslems is that we just don’t understand the Koran - when we cite it in English. This seems to me beyond belief because people who are experts in the respective languages are quite capable of translations.
And we have intricate commerical, legal and other dealings with Arabic nations. All of these happen on a daily basis, despite language barriers. They can not be so far removed as to prevent these rather mundane things happening all the time.
If people can translate the Bible into Innuit (with the problem of explaining a ‘shepherd’ where there’s no sheep)* then I think that Arabic is not so far removed.
As to individual writers here, well that’s the problem of their own lack of English - for this is an English language forum.
*-apparently they translate “The Lord is my shepherd” into “I am the Lord’s huskie”
Tá Críosd ar éirigh!
Christ is risen
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Kaninchen
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See how difficult it is to understand what somebody has said even when one, supposedly, shares a language.
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Montalban
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You don’t understand what I said? Oh well, I suppose your one example proves it then! You seemed to talk in general about language difficulties, and so did I. Correct me if I’m wrong.
All you have to do is state that you don’t understand me, or I don’t understand you, and hey presto, prophecy correct.
Like me predicting “You’re going to answer this post” (creating a bind now for you if you want to answer)
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Kaninchen
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As I’ve said before, you’re just too smart for me, Montalban.
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Montalban
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I don’t understand why you have such difficulty with someone disagreeing with you. You make a generalisation about difficulties of language and I disagree, AND STATE WHY. That would be seen as a reasonable way of discussing.
I’ve tutored in English to a migrant and am fully aware of the general difficulties, but the fact that this person will one day accomplish a level of English that is deemed proficient is both reassuring to me and people like me who undertake such ordeals and also undermines your proposition about the insurmountable difficulties of translations. For, if you’re talking about translations in general you seem to be setting Arabic up as some super-weird language that no one has ever quite grasped… except those who are cradle Arabic speakers.
If you’re talking about individuals posting here, then I’ve already stated my bit on ‘their’ problem
I’m sorry if the mere fact I’ve replied to you is disturbing your world. Perhaps a blog site where you can monologue away would better suit
Tá Críosd ar éirigh!
Christ is risen
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