How we can find peace without any meaning?

[LethalMouse]

So according to your claim you know the truth, you know the meaning and you are in peace!

I actually covered that already. I have found much peace, but am not perfect. I am definitely not as you said you have been “driven to madness” so I got that going for me…

That is not true. You cannot possibly be sure about spiritual experience.

You can not be sure of anything. You do not KNOW the color blue appears the same to anyone else but you. But we would have to be insane to worry about that…

I don’t know how your comment is related to mine. Moreover you refuse to answer my question: How possibly God set Satan free so he can have His tools on us? Doesn’t this question bother you at all?

I did answer it. You chose to not accept it.
And no it does not bother me.

That doesn’t answer my question. I asked** what is the meaning **if you know it as a believer?

The answer is still…GOD simply and completely.

In your other thread you ask how someone could deny a fact of God.
Let us assume for a moment I am correct and Meaning = God
You ask what is meaning, I say God, you say NO?
IF Meaning = God, does you saying “no” change that? NO

Why the Angels could possibly fall if they were is state of bliss with God?

Free will. Again I would rather my son turn out bad than be but a puppet in my hand.

I don’t think so. He does what is correct.

Satan? lol. Again in the word of Yoda: “This is why you fail”

Evil is about state of suffering and confusion. You get stronger when you suffer. I think that is a part of your teaching. We can overcome confusion by thinking throughly. That improve your sense of judgment.

You are thinking ALONE in a state of Confusion…never helps anyone which is why the church is there for you

Why not?

Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

It is like right there in the book man…

I embrace both. Why that should be a problem?

Aside from the above? Ummm because God says no embracing satan? is that not good enough? if not roll with it man… But errr not a good idea.

I don’t think so.

A lot of people don’t think a lot of things…

I don’t need this seatbelt I wont get into a …bam dead.

Yep what YOU think totally changes the truth…oh wait, nope it don’t.

 

[LethalMouse]

**So what is Meaning? **Do you know it considering the fact that your claim is correct?

That is not correct. You believe in God, do you know Meaning?** You constantly reject to answer this question.**

How could you be sure of this?

Umm No I keep answering it and you keep saying my answer is wrong and that I am not answering… because you do not want to hear the answer

GOD IS MEANING

GOD IS I AM, GOD IS LOVE, GOD IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, GOD IS HE WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN, GOD IS HE WHO CREATED ALL THINGS AND GIVES THEM PURPOSE.

GOD = IS

GOD IS ALL THAT IS SOUGHT.

You can reject that because God allows His creations to be free, a fact you can also reject.

But still

GOD IS.

 

[Bahman]

That is fine, but we are on page 8 now and way past the first stage. If you are still having to arguing your definition with every other poster over the course of the last 8 pages, who’s definition do you think is the incorrect one?

I think that Meaning is the source of all motions. As simple as that.

You have not given any evidence of this, only your opinions on it. Which no one here accepts as fact.

That is not my opinion. I provided you an argument which says that God who live is state of timeless cannot act temporary because He is not temporal being.

Three things comes to mind here. First, you still haven’t given any evidence of the origination of the laws of nature.

We know this from science.

Second, how do you know it is complex? Maybe are tiny little minds just think it is complex.

Just visit a library to see how extensive is the knowledge.

Third, if it really is as complex as it looks, maybe God set it up that way to prove to us it would be impossible for it to occur on its own.

Complexity is the result of evolution because complexity allows spices to survive in complicated situation.

Physicist Eugene Wigner confesses that the mathematical underpinning of nature "is something bordering on the mysterious and there is no rational explanation for it."3

Laws of nature is part of knowledge which cannot be created. So there is no mystery. The fact that why universe behaves under such a specific laws is another question. This to me is matter of how universe evolved to be such a thing that we observe now. Why any thing should evolve at all? Because of Meaning.

Richard Feynman, a Nobel Prize winner for quantum electrodynamics, said, "Why nature is mathematical is a mystery…The fact that there are rules at all is a kind of miracle."4

Again, mathematic is a part of knowledge with underneath so called Meaning.

Physicist Paul C. Davies comments, "…to be a scientist, you had to have faith that the universe is governed by dependable, immutable, absolute, universal, mathematical laws of an unspecified origin. You’ve got to believe that these laws won’t fail, that we won’t wake up tomorrow to find heat flowing from cold to hot, or the speed of light changing by the hour. Over the years I have often asked my physicist colleagues why the laws of physics are what they are? …The favorite reply is, ‘There is no reason they are what they are–they just are.’"5

The reason why universe follows mathematical laws is because of Meaning.

I think you are setting up your own definitions again.

No. Meaning is the underneath of knowledge and source of all motions.

I don’t know about you but my brain is jam packed with Knowledge (facts) that have no meaning. So why do I have to have a meaning underneath the knowledge in order to gain the knowledge?

The key question is why you look for knowledge at all? Knowledge provide you reasons that why things are this way and not other way. Doesn’t this really give you satisfaction considering the fact that you are an intellectual being?

I think I already stated this once, meaning doesn’t always give us satisfaction and peace, quite often it gives us pain and suffering. I think this is why you won’t bring God into the equation. Meaning in life comes through God, which sometimes brings satisfaction and peace but sometimes will also bring pain and suffering. We have to take the good with the bad to find meaning in our life. If all you are searching for is just the good in life you will never find it.

If Meaning and God both sometimes give you peace and sometimes suffering then why we should bring God into equation?

 

[LethalMouse]

I think that Meaning is the source of all motions. As simple as that.

That is not my opinion. I provided you an argument which says that God who live is state of timeless cannot act temporary because He is not temporal being.

We know this from science.

Just visit a library to see how extensive is the knowledge.

Complexity is the result of evolution because complexity allows spices to survive in complicated situation.

Laws of nature is part of knowledge which cannot be created. So there is no mystery. The fact that why universe behaves under such a specific laws is another question. This to me is matter of how universe evolved to be such a thing that we observe now. Why any thing should evolve at all? Because of Meaning.

Again, mathematic is a part of knowledge with underneath so called Meaning.

The reason why universe follows mathematical laws is because of Meaning.

No. Meaning is the underneath of knowledge and source of all motions.

The key question is why you look for knowledge at all? Knowledge provide you reasons that why things are this way and not other way. Doesn’t this really give you satisfaction considering the fact that you are an intellectual being?

If Meaning and God both sometimes give you peace and sometimes suffering then why we should bring God into equation?

Replace the word “meaning” with God per my equation and you have your answer…

 

[Bahman]

Comedian Steven Wright tells the tale that he was once a counselor at a youth camp. He went on to say that all he could do was take all of the kids down by the lake and tell them that no one really knows why we are alive and that, eventually, we will all die.

I feel something like that sometimes.

Seriously, introspection, surrender and supplication will help you find the meaning of your life. It does not matter in eternity if you find your meaning on the last day of your life. The consternation enters in due to our natural lack of patience during the search. I was about 50 when I found the meaning of my life.

So what is the meaning?

My guess is that you have a bit of searching left. True desolation arrives only when you stop the search.

I agree.

 

[SilverShadow22]

In human being, emotions cause motion, our knowledges give us direction toward purpose, the ultimate purpose is to find Meaning.

No. I frequently act against my emotions because I use my will to do what I’ve rationally decided is better.

What sets humans apart from animals is the ability to implement impulse control - to see consequences past those of the moment.

So I repeat: it is not emotion which moves me.

And love, properly defined, is not a feeling. It’s a decision - a determination to do what’s best for the one you love. Not temporary, transient good, but the ultimate good, and not based on feelings of affection or devotion, but a true, deep, lasting effort held firm by the will.

So that love can move us even when we don’t ‘feel’ it.

 

[MT1926]

I think that Meaning is the source of all motions. As simple as that.

Yes we covered this. You just can’t decide on what you want the source of the meaning to be.

That is not my opinion. I provided you an argument which says that God who live is state of timeless cannot act temporary because He is not temporal being.

You do know what a dictionary is, don’t you?
ar·gu·ment ˈärɡyəmənt / noun
a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.
i·de·a īˈdēə / noun
an opinion or belief

We know this from science.

Prove it. I said you haven’t given any evidence and you respond we know this from science. Well please show me the scientific evidence of the origination of the laws of nature then. Or agree with me.

Just visit a library to see how extensive is the knowledge.

Complexity is the result of evolution because complexity allows spices to survive in complicated situation.

Laws of nature is part of knowledge which cannot be created. So there is no mystery. The fact that why universe behaves under such a specific laws is another question. This to me is matter of how universe evolved to be such a thing that we observe now. Why any thing should evolve at all? Because of Meaning.

Again, mathematic is a part of knowledge with underneath so called Meaning.

The reason why universe follows mathematical laws is because of Meaning.

Do you even realize you just said 2 well known Physicists and a Nobel Prize winner are wrong and you are right? Are you starting to see why so many here don’t take you seriously?

No. Meaning is the underneath of knowledge and source of all motions.

Maybe you could create a web site dedicated to this phrase. If you can get more people to repeat it, someone might start to think it is true.

The key question is why you look for knowledge at all? Knowledge provide you reasons that why things are this way and not other way. Doesn’t this really give you satisfaction considering the fact that you are an intellectual being?

Once again yes and no. You seem to be a person that can only accept absolutes. It doesn’t always have to be this "or’ that. Quite often it is “and both”. To answer your question, sometimes I look for knowledge to learn which might give me satisfaction, but there are times when the answers I find are frustrating and lead me to a conclusion that is hard to accept or is not what I was expecting. Sometimes knowledge just enters my head and lies dormant until I need it. Sometimes it might enter on it’s own and stay on my mind and cause great pain and stress. Sometimes knowledge is thrust upon me and I am forced to learn something that I had no desire to know but had no choice. I can go on and on with examples, but I think you can get the point that knowledge, just like peace and meaning, is not an absolute like you would hope it to be.

If Meaning and God both sometimes give you peace and sometimes suffering then why we should bring God into equation?

Because we are trying to help you find peace. Your original title says you need meaning to find peace. You define meaning as the source of all motions. As numerous people have said, God is the source of all motion. Therefore, you need to find God (the source of all motion), to be able to attain the meaning which will help you find peace.

Now that is a pretty simple equation:

God = Source of all Motion —>Meaning = Peace.

 

[LethalMouse]

Bahman there are 3 answers to your question that come from humans

Atheistic = there is no meaning

Buddhist/spiritualist = meaning(peace) is a state of peace and meaning in and of itself

Theistic = God is meaning.

You clearly do not accept the first

You have met God apparently so the second would be questionable

You reject the 3rd.

So what you want is to create a 4th answer… good luck…

But of the 3 and maybe someday 4th answer of Bahman only ONE is going to be right.

Hardcore atheists reject that there is an answer which clearly you would disagree…

The state of peace being in and of itself seems off when God is talking to people

So God = meaning seems logical

 

[Bahman]

I actually covered that already. I have found much peace, but am not perfect. I am definitely not as you said you have been “driven to madness” so I got that going for me…

So you don’t know meaning and truth. You are only in state of peace. I am also at peace right now but I am ready for more suffering because I believe that suffering enhances our strengths.

You can not be sure of anything. You do not KNOW the color blue appears the same to anyone else but you. But we would have to be insane to worry about that…

I don’t know how your comment is related to mine. Moreover you refuse to answer my question: How possibly God set Satan free so he can have His tools on us? Doesn’t this question bother you at all?

I did answer it. You chose to not accept it.
And no it does not bother me.

In which post I can find your answer? Could you please repeat it?

The answer is still…GOD simply and completely.

In your other thread you ask how someone could deny a fact of God.
Let us assume for a moment I am correct and Meaning = God
You ask what is meaning, I say God, you say NO?
IF Meaning = God, does you saying “no” change that? NO

So you only believe that God=Meaning but you don’t know what is Meaning?

Free will. Again I would rather my son turn out bad than be but a puppet in my hand.

Then why you believe that you could live with God eternally in peace considering the fact that you also have free will?

Satan? lol. Again in the word of Yoda: “This is why you fail”

How you can deny that when you have no experience and evidence of what Satan can do? As mentioned before, Satan does evil. The evil means suffering and confusion. Suffering gives you strength and confusion improve your sense of judgment. Evil simply does not mean wrongs.

You are thinking ALONE in a state of Confusion…never helps anyone which is why the church is there for you

We are intellectual beings and can overcome confusion. Everything is just matter of practice. At the end of the day what is matter is that how much effort you put into practice to find the Meaning. You could fail but that is alright.

Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other.

It is like right there in the book man…

That is not a correct statement. I can practice evil and good at the same time.

Aside from the above? Ummm because God says no embracing satan? is that not good enough? if not roll with it man… But errr not a good idea.

So we can choose our own spiritual journeys. Unfortunately I cannot convince you how much you are missing right now.

A lot of people don’t think a lot of things…

I don’t need this seatbelt I wont get into a …bam dead.

Yep what YOU think totally changes the truth…oh wait, nope it don’t.

I don’t understand what do you mean?

 

[Bahman]

Umm No I keep answering it and you keep saying my answer is wrong and that I am not answering… because you do not want to hear the answer

GOD IS MEANING

GOD IS I AM, GOD IS LOVE, GOD IS THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA, GOD IS HE WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN, GOD IS HE WHO CREATED ALL THINGS AND GIVES THEM PURPOSE.

GOD = IS

GOD IS ALL THAT IS SOUGHT.

You can reject that because God allows His creations to be free, a fact you can also reject.

But still

GOD IS.

What you offer does not enlighten me because you didn’t provide an answer to what is Meaning.

 

[Bahman]

Replace the word “meaning” with God per my equation and you have your answer…

That doesn’t resolve the problem. We are at the same page and do not know what is Meaning.

 

[Bahman]

No. I frequently act against my emotions because I use my will to do what I’ve rationally decided is better.

I don’t understand why you refuse my definition because I think that we are at the same page. We can rationally decide in a situation because we have knowledge hence that is our knowledge which gives us direction. Emotion simply cause motion. You cannot simply reach a purpose, what you rationally decide, if you have no emotion for it.

What sets humans apart from animals is the ability to implement impulse control - to see consequences past those of the moment.

That I agree.

So I repeat: it is not emotion which moves me.

As it was discussed emotion cause motion and knowledge defines the purpose. Again you cannot reach a purpose if you have no emotion for it.

And love, properly defined, is not a feeling. It’s a decision - a determination to do what’s best for the one you love. Not temporary, transient good, but the ultimate good, and not based on feelings of affection or devotion, but a true, deep, lasting effort held firm by the will.

That is no correct. Love is simply an emotion. It has a deep root in our natures to make sure that we stay together so life can keep moving. You can simply see love in animal too.

So that love can move us even when we don’t ‘feel’ it.

This is nonsense statement.

 

[Bahman]

Yes we covered this. You just can’t decide on what you want the source of the meaning to be.

Meaning has no source. It is the source of everything.

You do know what a dictionary is, don’t you?
ar·gu·ment ˈärɡyəmənt / noun
a reason or set of reasons given with the aim of persuading others that an action or idea is right or wrong.
i·de·a īˈdēə / noun
an opinion or belief

I know what a dictionary is. But it seems that I have to repeat myself. God can only perform one eternal act and cannot perform temporal acts.

Prove it. I said you haven’t given any evidence and you respond we know this from science. Well please show me the scientific evidence of the origination of the laws of nature then. Or agree with me.

This does need to be proved because it is based on fact itself. I can invite you to read this.

Do you even realize you just said 2 well known Physicists and a Nobel Prize winner are wrong and you are right? Are you starting to see why so many here don’t take you seriously?

What is wrong with my argument?

Maybe you could create a web site dedicated to this phrase. If you can get more people to repeat it, someone might start to think it is true.

I prefer to discuss things here because that improve my understanding.

Once again yes and no. You seem to be a person that can only accept absolutes. It doesn’t always have to be this "or’ that. Quite often it is “and both”. To answer your question, sometimes I look for knowledge to learn which might give me satisfaction, but there are times when the answers I find are frustrating and lead me to a conclusion that is hard to accept or is not what I was expecting. Sometimes knowledge just enters my head and lies dormant until I need it. Sometimes it might enter on it’s own and stay on my mind and cause great pain and stress. Sometimes knowledge is thrust upon me and I am forced to learn something that I had no desire to know but had no choice. I can go on and on with examples, but I think you can get the point that knowledge, just like peace and meaning, is not an absolute like you would hope it to be.

Yes, I understand that. Sometime we understand things easy and sometime we have to struggle hard and find nothing at the end. We are intellectual being and we cannot avoid this because we like to know the truth.

Because we are trying to help you find peace. Your original title says you need meaning to find peace. You define meaning as the source of all motions. As numerous people have said, God is the source of all motion. Therefore, you need to find God (the source of all motion), to be able to attain the meaning which will help you find peace.

Now that is a pretty simple equation:

God = Source of all Motion —>Meaning = Peace.

We think differently. I believe that universe moves based on laws of natures for a purpose which cannot be anything but Meaning. You believe that God is source of all motion. I already argue that God cannot cause temporary hence universe move based on laws of nature.

By the way how I can find God? Why God didn’t give us Meaning at the first place? What is the purpose to be here?

 

[Bahman]

Bahman there are 3 answers to your question that come from humans

Atheistic = there is no meaning

Buddhist/spiritualist = meaning(peace) is a state of peace and meaning in and of itself

Theistic = God is meaning.

That I agree.

You clearly do not accept the first

That is not correct. They can find Meaning too.

You have met God apparently so the second would be questionable

That is not correct too. We can find meaning in this world too.

You reject the 3rd.

I have problem with this. Why God didn’t give us Meaning at the first place accepting the fact that God knows Meaning? Why we should be here living in meaningless state of affair?

So what you want is to create a 4th answer… good luck…

The forth option is that we have to find Meaning in our spiritual journeys.

But of the 3 and maybe someday 4th answer of Bahman only ONE is going to be right.

I think that first, second and forth options are right. I have problems with the third options as it is illustrated.

Hardcore atheists reject that there is an answer which clearly you would disagree…

That is not correct. I think that atheists can find Meaning too.

The state of peace being in and of itself seems off when God is talking to people

So God = meaning seems logical

That is the third option which I have problem with it.

 

[tweedlealice]

We are given lives, we grow, we enjoy and sometimes suffer and we eventually die. It is promised that we are given new lives again, after resurrection, and we go either to Hell or Heaven. But how all these could give any meaning to our lives? How we could find peace if our lives is meaningless?

Salutations in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
No life, is meaningless. A homeless person, during his/her day, will meet another person. That exchange moves some emotion in both person’s lives.
ARe you looking at the choices you made on the path way of your life.? Do you feel your life is
meaningless? You should rent this Christmas movie
Called,“IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE.” It will put some fulfillment on why your life has meaning.
From the moment we take our first breaths, we start dying. Jeremiah 29 / 11. God tells us,"I HAVE A PLAN FOR YOU. IT IS A GOOD PLAN WITHOUT EVIL.
IT HAS A FUTURE AND A PROMISE. "
So, you wake up, greet God, ask him to be with you today. You go to school or work, look where He is working around you i.e. I fell over the garden hose. My face hit the cement. I had a slightly loose tooth… WOULD YOU BELIEVE I HAD NO SCRATCHES OR CUTS ON MY FACE. BUT, MY LEFT INCISOR WAS LOOSE , WITH ANY INJURY TO GUM INSIDE MOUTH…
It had to be angels that stopped the impact on my face. God is with us. Jesus suffered and died for us.
They graciously sent the Holy Spirit after Jesus ascended. HE IS OUR COMFORTER, OUR SOURCE OF POWER AND HEALING.
When you look in your mirror in the morning, you aRe commanded by God.to love yourself.
That puts meaning in your life
YOU ARE A KING’S KID. THE SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. NEVER FORGET THAT
in Christ’s love,
Tweedlealice

 

[LethalMouse]

That I agree.

Yay

That is not correct. They can find Meaning too.

Only if the 3rd is false. I have been an atheist and created my own meaning and it was a tasty filling piece of white bread with butter on it.

God’s meaning however is a never ending 5 star buffet in which my pants button needs loosened and my taste buds sing orgasmically constantly.

You search for the buffet or else I can help you with getting a slice of bread… but dude, the buffet is much better and is MEANING and not meaning.

That is not correct. We can find meaning in this world too.

Why is it impossible for you to think fron another persoective for even a second???

IF GOD = MEANING period…

Than He is the meaning in this world, you simply just reject it.

I have problem with this. Why God didn’t give us Meaning at the first place accepting the fact that God knows Meaning? Why we should be here living in meaningless state of affair?

YOU LIVE IN A MEANINGLESS STATE OF AFFAIR!!!

I do not.

You do not Actually live meaningless, you simoly reject it. It is there for you.

The forth option is that we have to find Meaning in our spiritual journeys.

God = meaning = finding meaning in journey = finding God

I think that first, second and forth options are right. I have problems with the third options as it is illustrated.

The first is illogical an answer for a man claiming to speak to Satan and God…

The second is understandable given you submit to Satan… but you come here and ask so we tell you the right answer. You can accept or reject it, no one will put you to the sword, it is for you to take or continue searching.

That is the third option which I have problem with it.

Hence you reject it, then come here seeking it. Good luck.

 

[Bahman]

Salutations in Our Lord Jesus Christ,
No life, is meaningless. A homeless person, during his/her day, will meet another person. That exchange moves some emotion in both person’s lives.
ARe you looking at the choices you made on the path way of your life.? Do you feel your life is
meaningless? You should rent this Christmas movie
Called,“IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE.” It will put some fulfillment on why your life has meaning.
From the moment we take our first breaths, we start dying. Jeremiah 29 / 11. God tells us,"I HAVE A PLAN FOR YOU. IT IS A GOOD PLAN WITHOUT EVIL.
IT HAS A FUTURE AND A PROMISE. "
So, you wake up, greet God, ask him to be with you today. You go to school or work, look where He is working around you i.e. I fell over the garden hose. My face hit the cement. I had a slightly loose tooth… WOULD YOU BELIEVE I HAD NO SCRATCHES OR CUTS ON MY FACE. BUT, MY LEFT INCISOR WAS LOOSE , WITH ANY INJURY TO GUM INSIDE MOUTH…
It had to be angels that stopped the impact on my face. God is with us. Jesus suffered and died for us.
They graciously sent the Holy Spirit after Jesus ascended. HE IS OUR COMFORTER, OUR SOURCE OF POWER AND HEALING.
When you look in your mirror in the morning, you aRe commanded by God.to love yourself.
That puts meaning in your life
YOU ARE A KING’S KID. THE SON OF THE MOST HIGH GOD. NEVER FORGET THAT
in Christ’s love,
Tweedlealice

I read your post a few times and it didn’t give me an understanding of what meaning is. I think you are mixing the idea of satisfaction with Meaning.

 

[Bahman]

Only if the 3rd is false. I have been an atheist and created my own meaning and it was a tasty filling piece of white bread with butter on it.

God’s meaning however is a never ending 5 star buffet in which my pants button needs loosened and my taste buds sing orgasmically constantly.

You search for the buffet or else I can help you with getting a slice of bread… but dude, the buffet is much better and is MEANING and not meaning.

Accepting God in your life does not give you Meaning but satisfaction and peace. You are mixing them.

Why is it impossible for you to think fron another persoective for even a second???

IF GOD = MEANING period…

Than He is the meaning in this world, you simply just reject it.

I accepted God and have deep love for Him but even now I don’t have any Meaning but love.

YOU LIVE IN A MEANINGLESS STATE OF AFFAIR!!!

I do not.

You do not Actually live meaningless, you simoly reject it. It is there for you.

You constantly claim that you know Meaning but refuse to explain what it is.

God = meaning = finding meaning in journey = finding God

If that is true then I will find Meaning in my spiritual journey. I haven’t found anything yet.

The first is illogical an answer for a man claiming to speak to Satan and God…

Why?

The second is understandable given you submit to Satan… but you come here and ask so we tell you the right answer. You can accept or reject it, no one will put you to the sword, it is for you to take or continue searching.

I didn’t submit to Satan. I accept Him as my Master as a matter of respect for all things He did for me.

Hence you reject it, then come here seeking it. Good luck.

If we both accept God then how come you find Meaning and I don’t?

 

[LethalMouse]

Accepting God in your life does not give you Meaning but satisfaction and peace. You are mixing them.

Can you explain the stock market to a cat and have it understand it?

You constantly claim that you know Meaning but refuse to explain what it is.

Can you explain the stock market to a cat and have it understand it?

If that is true then I will find Meaning in my spiritual journey. I haven’t found anything yet.

If it were not possible many would not comment on your threads anymore. On the otherhand, there are said to be more whi side with Satan than God in the end. They go without meaning for eternity

Why?

Stock market - God

Cat(by choice) - Bahman

I didn’t submit to Satan. I accept Him as my Master as a matter of respect for all things He did for me.

Yoda says “this is why you fail”

If we both accept God then how come you find Meaning and I don’t?

The whole “satan is my master” thing for starters

 

[Bahman]

Can you explain the stock market to a cat and have it understand it?

Can you explain the stock market to a cat and have it understand it?

No, but that is a different problem. We are cognitively open to understand things. We use verbal communication to exchange ideas. We can have the same understanding of Meaning if you really know it.

If it were not possible many would not comment on your threads anymore. On the otherhand, there are said to be more whi side with Satan than God in the end. They go without meaning for eternity

That is only a claim. You cannot prove it.

Stock market - God

Cat(by choice) - Bahman

I don’t think that this analogy works because God created us as intellectual beings. So I think that we are able to understand all mysteries including Meaning knowing the fact that God love us otherwise we fall in state of despair.

Yoda says “this is why you fail”

That is not correct. I think that is your failure to understand Evil well. I have already explain that to you.

The whole “satan is my master” thing for starters

I don’t think so.