How would one respond to this with charity?

[Shiann]

Lisa

I commend you on your charitable and logical approach to this woman, and I’m sorry you were the brunt of her ignorance in this situation. I’m sure it was very frustrating, and disheartening to interact with someone so deluded.

But, on an open forum, it happens all too often. We’ve all been there. But more often, I think, we have been “quiet bystandards” as these discussions take place. I have heart that a bystandard, in this case, might be stirred by your kind and charitable words- and maybe even be disuaded from such drivel as the “pro-choice” mentality.

I believe you did plant the seed.
:clapping:

 

[iserve]

Lisa- Just for a quote that might say it all, Mother Theresa said “Saying there are too many children is like saying there are too many flowers…”

When my grandmother died, at the age of 99, in 2000, her 9 children, 54 grandchildren and ALL their children (about 60), and a handful of great-chandchildren filled the church to bury her, each with a great love on their hearts for her love and devotion to her family. Every time we all get together, which we have done frequently for the last 50 years of my life, I am filled with pride at the sight of my beautiful family, with their faith, support and love for one another. There is nothing like it in all the world. This woman is a fool, and she will take care of the likes of herself by her very own theories!

 

[buffalo]

Just think - If we keep having more kids than them and we raise them Catholic the issue will be solved and they will be extinct and the whole world will be Catholic.

 

[Genesis315]

This person is the poster child for what it means to have a hardened heart. Very, very sad.

 

[jimmytoes]

Lisa,
God bless. I’ve enjoyed this thread. Let’s see, being one of 10, and with 4 of my own; does that mean I’m more “responsible” than my parents? Boy, that’s a laugh. They sure were a lot better at life than I am…

 

[pprimeau1976]

I don’t know about that one. Is it possible to charitably slap someone in the face? No? RATS!!!

 

[CatholicPoet]

Lisa4Catholics:

Wowah, Lisa! Slow down! Your DEFENSE is quite hefty, yet still short on ARGUMENTS to support your jumbo-family vision.

Quite a beginning for someone who goes on and on berating you, but provides nothing to back up her own statements, huh?

If every American couple were to “pop out” four children, we would be in trouble? Really? What kind of trouble? Where is the proof of trouble? I have traveled all over this country. Most of it – once you are past the city limits – is wide open space. People aren’t exactly getting shoved off the coasts into the oceans, so what kind of trouble would we be in?

So, if you aren’t trash in the sense of garbage, but trash in the sense of “trailer trash,” that makes name-calling alright, does it? How is this different than the racial slur of labeling someone with the “N-word”? And everyone but you understood, did they? Was there an overwhelming quantity of posts to the board of people stating that they understood, or is this another baseless assumption?

Having large families is a thing of past generations? That’s a broad statement. Why? What limitations are to be accepted? I, for one, would like a list.

One thing I can say, though… the next time someone says something I don’t agree with, I’m going to look at them like they’ve just sprouted a second head and in the most amazed tone I can muster, I will ask: “Haven’t you ever seen ‘Super Nanny?’” Then I will shake my head sadly and walk away. Oh yes! That’s the way to make a point!

 

[sonseeker]

Respond with grace and love, dear

 

[annemjones96]

Wow, Trailer Trash, huh? And she is pointing to Super Nanny and the like? That show dirves me nuts. Most of the time it is lack of discipline that has the children in chaos. I have three children. Two are Autistic. Is it hard? Of course. Are my children out of control? No. Why? discipline. They know their limits. I know a very well to do family with 8 children. They live in a huge house. Two dish washer, washers, dryers. They are very well behaved chldren. Why? They have discipline. And I don’t mean they are scared of their parents. And they don’t resent them. In fact, I think they may be a little more mature than the lady who posted to you Lisa. So, form one Trailer Trash bunny who is cult material to another, God Bless you. Oh, and I don’t by the over population business either. Not eveyone is going to have 4 kids or more. Some people are not able to. Not everyone is going to marry. I think(as hard as it is) we need to pray for this woman and everyone who thinks like her.

 

[annemjones96]

Oh, and since when is 4 kids a Jumbo sized family?

 

[MooCowSteph]

I feel very sorry for women like her. She must be very sad and low inside in order to want to treat others like that. :nope:

 

[De_Maria]

Lisa4Catholics:

For Catholic Lisa: Anyone who brings FOUR children into the world of the 21st Century is clearly NOT exactly “with it”.

With what? Your program of death. No thanks. I prefer to follow God’s program, life.

No wonder you are cult-material.

Do you even know what a cult is?

The formal organization and practice of worship, usually associated with a sanctuary and involving a regular cycle of sacrifices, prayers, and hymns under the direction of priests and other leaders; when used in biblical studies the term is descriptive and does not imply anything dark, devilish, false, or unseemly, as is often the case in modern uses of the term.
www.hope.edu/academic/religion/bandstra/RTOT/GLOSSARY/C.HTM

You use the word as though it were an insult. That just goes to show how you have been brainwashed by the perverse world of sex and drugs.

Darling,

I’m not your darling.

you should either get with the birth control program

The birth control program is a program of drug induced abortions. There is no such thing as a preventative.

or “just say no” to your husband

God said, “A man and woman will join together and they will be one flesh”.

I and my family choose to obey God and not you.

(I assume you have one, or else you are REALLY mental and hypcritically beyond help).

You don’t want me to tell you what I assume about you.

None of my friends have a “Kindergarten” at their house.

That is sad in more ways than one. First children are a gift from God and God’s gifts should never be rejected. Then also, if they have the contraceptive/abortive mentality that you do, they have killed several of their unborn children and unless they repent they have a special place in hell awaiting them.

I know several childless couples, and a few with one or two children. Nobody I know (of my generation) has FOUR children. That is what we would consider “trash”.

Its unfortunate that you consider “trash” that which God gave you out of love.

Oh, by the way, nobody I know (and certainly not I) ever had any abortion.

You have had an abortion everytime you contracept.

We don’t have any need for such procedures, because we know how to PREVENT unwanted preganancies.

What you don’t know is what really matters, the Will of God. Even if you use “rubbers” you are still “spilling the seed” of life given by God. You are entrenched in sin.

Obviously a “bunny” like yourself wouldn’t know much about that.

I prefer the term “dove”.

Matthew 10:16
I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

You probably come from a “good Catholic family”,

Yes. A little slow on the uptake are you? That is precisely why I call myself “Catholic Lisa” on this forum. I’m very proud of my Catholic family.

where lying about sexual matters is the chosen way to go.

Don’t believe the hype, babeeee! Catholics are the most joyful celebrators of God’s gifts.

The Pope isn’t helping, still insisting that artificial birth control is wrong.

He is absolutely correct. Artificial birth control has transformed women into sex objects just as the Catholic Church prophesied when it was first begun one century ago. Just as the Church predicted, divorce skyrocketed, women became sex objects and abortions became commonplace.

You are in a the company of real nuts, honey.

That is a description of the company you keep, hun.

Please don’t ask anyone to prescribe to your “views”, because there is only confusion in them, and no help at all.

I prescribe to the Will of God. God is not the author of confusion, Satan is. And Satan is precisely where your views originated. You are firmly under his control.

As far as you are concerned, I shake the dust off my feet. May God rebuke you.

Matthew 10:14
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

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This is what I would say Lisa. I am a father of four and I wish I had more.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[Lil]

four kids… you are lucky! I think four kids is great and I wish I had a dozen. When I only have a few kids running around the yard it seems soooo quiet here! (I don’t have a kindergarten, I have a major park at my house, complete with study clubs, loads of “projects” and much kid traffic)
But, to business. I understand this woman upset you. It is admirable that you have chosen to continue to communicate with her instead of terminating the conversation. We must assume that, beyond her initial joy-of-bashing, she must expect a response. Try surprising her.
I suggest you start by genuinly trying to understand her view. She appears to feel very righteous in her anger, no doubt having consumed alot of the hype out there about everything from overpopulation to the oppression of women by their primitive husbands, a male dominated society, the church and so forth. You might point out to her that motherhood is a choice, just like accounting or playing in an orchestra, and it is not something to be ashamed of. You may further point out that bigotry is only a hop away from that kind of blanket condemnation. (actually, she’s already there, but that would get you nowhere). Class prejudice, bigotry and intolerance are presumably looked down upon by well meaning liberals. They are usually blind to their own bigotry. (who isn’t?). Pointed out calmly and articulately, you may have a chance to remove a scale or two from her eyes… then again… maybe not. But it is always good to practice ones defenses.
btw, please tell this woman that there are quite a few of us who have done quite well out there in the world of universities and careers, and freely choose the best career of all: motherhood.
Lil’

 

[Mom_of_one]

Charity? I think I’d have socked her.

I love the responses that some of the other posters posted.

And, let’s hear it for trash! I’d be right there with you if I had a husband!

What is irresponsible is having a child or children and not taking care of them. You are obviously responsible-the judge gave you custody of another child!

God has richly blessed you! Who cares what some doofus says?

 

[neophyte]

That is one sad and pitiable human being. She needs prayer.

 

[springbreeze]

Dear friend

You might like to return to this person with this question…‘Would you be pro-contraception and pro-abortion if it was your own life that hung in the balance?’

Retain your good character Lisa, don’t lose your temper, this person who posted such poor understanding of the beginnings of human life was very rude to you, please don’t be rude back to them, you are better than falling into uncharitableness.

This person is purely speaking out of ignorance. You may like to provide them with scientific proof of the beginnings of life as well as what the Church teaches…ultimately you may discuss with this person and they will still be rude and rejecting of God’s truth, then friend you must pray for them and concede that they do not agree with you, this doesn’t make them right, but we cannot force the truth on people, hoepfully sometime down the line in the future your words may strike a cord with this person and their heart might soften and come to God.

I am praying for them.

Remember Lisa…‘Blessed are those who suffer persecution in the cause of right; the kingdom of heaven is theirs. Blessed are you when men revile, and persecute you and speak all manner of evil against you falsely because of me. Be glad and light-hearted for a rich reward awaits you in heaven’

God Bless you Lisa and much love and peace to you

Teresa

 

[Pro-Life_Teen]

Lisa, could you give me a link to this forum, I’d like to check it out.

And she needs prayers. She is very, very lost, as most of the world is. The wide path seems to have gotten wider and the narrow lane narrower.

 

[springbreeze]

Dear friend

You might like to return to this person with this question…‘Would you be pro-contraception and pro-abortion if it was your own life that hung in the balance?’

Retain your good character Lisa, don’t lose your temper, this person who posted such poor understanding of the beginnings of human life was very rude to you, please don’t be rude back to them, you are better than falling into uncharitableness.

This person is purely speaking out of ignorance. You may like to provide them with scientific proof of the beginnings of life as well as what the Church teaches…ultimately you may discuss with this person and they will still be rude and rejecting of God’s truth, then friend you must pray for them and concede that they do not agree with you, this doesn’t make them right, but we cannot force the truth on people, hoepfully sometime down the line in the future your words may strike a cord with this person and their heart might soften and come to God.

I am praying for them.

Remember Lisa…‘Blessed are those who suffer persecution in the cause of right; the kingdom of heaven is theirs. Blessed are you when men revile, and persecute you and speak all manner of evil against you falsely because of me. Be glad and light-hearted for a rich reward awaits you in heaven’

God Bless you Lisa and much love and peace to you

Teresa

 

[Viki59]

Many good responses on this thread. This woman is obviously buying into the liberal idea that children cost us but don’t provide anything of value. However if we don’t start having more children we will end up in bad shape just like Europe.
Children grow up to work, contribute to the economy, and create wonderful art, literature, etc. Overpopulation is an overworked fantasy.
God will bless you, Lisa, for standing up for the truth.

 

[Island_Oak]

“Lisa, please accept that most women are NOT as extreme and as fanatic as you. Allow them to direct their own lives. You have already shown that intellect is not a superior strength of yours. You seem to always want to make other people’s decisions, and it’s just not your place to do so. You may decide for yourself, and please allow others the same decision making. Anyone looking for a dictatorial BOSS will pass you by immediately, simple becuase you lack the qualities and plausibility one seeks in a leader.”

This would be funny if it weren’t so pathetically hypocritical. This woman is not only foaming at the mouth with intolerance for your view, but buttressing her inconsitency and ignorance with the most petty and ludicrous insults. This is NOT how intelligent people discuss differing points of view. She is angry, defensive, condescending–all the hallmarks of insecurity and internal conflict over this issue. We can all handle disagreement, but to do so with such vitriol suggests to me there is far more in the closet than this writer wants you to know. What else can you do but respond with compassion, pity and forgiveness for her thoughtless words that betray the conflict she feels about this issue.