How would you fix the U.S health care system?

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Also, I want to add that the idea that lack of access to healthcare is because we have a for-profit system just doesn’t bear scrutiny. In every developed country, agriculture and grocery stores are for-profit, and never has good, fresh food been more available than in these places. The problem lies elsewhere.
Isn’t that basically kinda true though, since a lot of our health care is tied to insurance? And the people who are uninsured probably aren’t in a place to self-pay, even if cash-only is cheaper? We do have free clinics and community health centers but can’t more be done?
 
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Also, I want to add that the idea that lack of access to healthcare is because we have a for-profit system just doesn’t bear scrutiny. In every developed country, agriculture and grocery stores are for-profit, and never has good, fresh food been more available than in these places. The problem lies elsewhere.
Isn’t that basically kinda true though, since a lot of our health care is tied to insurance? And the people who are uninsured probably aren’t in a place to self-pay, even if cash-only is cheaper? We do have free clinics and community health centers but can’t more be done?
You’re gonna need to clarify that question, because I have no idea what you mean.

Do you think I’m advocating a cash-only system?
 
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If you can shop around for insurance, why not shop around for doctors instead?
What if there aren’t any doctors to shop around for? A lot or rural areas probably have only one heart doctor or one neurologist and there might not even be many primary care doctors to choose from.
 
Those who cannot pay apply for help, submitting their tax return (because under this system we take fraud seriously.) They will be given help based on their income – but every dollar they spend on medical care will have some of their OWN money included, so they have the same incentive not to overconsume and to bargain.
How are people with multiple chronic health conditions who see many different doctors going to go about bargaining for their health care with all these different doctors? Wouldn’t it be a little overwhelming? And if they suffer from something like depression, it would be even more challenging.
 
I would also say there are many situations where you can’t shop around. Last time I had a procedure requiring sedation, I picked the main doctor, but I couldn’t pick the anesthesia team at all.

Your options are also much more limited if you have transportation issues due to poverty. How many doctors can you get to on the bus? Do they have appointments when you’re off work, or are you going to be losing pay?

A lot of poor people are already forgoing care due to needing the money for basic living expenses. I suspect a plan like this would only encourage that - skipping preventative care to save money and only seeing the doctor in an emergency. We don’t want to encourage that.
 
A lot of poor people are already forgoing care due to needing the money for basic living expenses. I suspect a plan like this would only encourage that - skipping preventative care to save money and only seeing the doctor in an emergency. We don’t want to encourage that.
Do you think something like a subsidized free clinic or a cost-free/low-cost community health center could go a long way towards helping poor and working-class populations (especially if opened to cater to them like evenings and weekends) it’s opened with more basic forms of care, sure they might not offer cutting-edge and advancement treatments and surgeries but it can serve as a baseline. I read a piece that talked about making community health centers, an avenue for universal primary care (and maybe If I may add on other basic forms of care like dental, mental, pharmacy and vision), while letting Medicaid/Medicare and private insurance take care of the rest? I feel coupled with universal catastrophic care (basically a income-based deductible plan for all though it does seem to serve as a cap for cost-sharing/medical expenses), it can be something that can work, maybe even work really well, even if it ain’t perfect (I do admit, it leaves a gap but I feel like both ideas can compliment each other all the same).
 
How are people with multiple chronic health conditions who see many different doctors going to go about bargaining for their health care with all these different doctors?
How are people with multiple chronic health conditions who see many different doctors going to see those many different doctors?

When you see them, ask what they charge!!
 
What if there aren’t any doctors to shop around for? A lot or rural areas probably have only one heart doctor or one neurologist and there might not even be many primary care doctors to choose from.
I take it you don’t live in such an area and don’t understand how rural health care works.

Typically there is a small hospital that provides emergency care and sends patients on to a big hospital if needed. There are several local doctors who have privileges at that hospital – all you have to do is ask. Our little town (2,750 people) has four practicing physicians and a couple of specialists.

If you need something your primary care physician can’t provide, he will tell you and refer you to a specialist. For example, when my wife needed a knee replacement, our primary care doctor referred her to a surgeon in Little Rock. She spent a month before the surgery exercising, to build up the leg muscles for the surgery. During that time, we went on line and checked on surgeons who might do the work – the one she was referred to appeared to be the best, so we went with him.
 
And what if they denied? Like what if their situation doesn’t neatly fit into guidelines which leads to a denial?
Denied, how? Approval is based on need, which is primarily certified by submitting the most recent tax return. Do you mean their tax return would be kicked back?

I THINK you’re imagining there is an insurance company involved – it this system, the only insurance company is the catastrophic health insurance company. The “help” people get is from the government.
 
Well, we could do away with health insurance and cap prices…
That is usually a bad idea. Consider price controls on drugs. When I ran for Congress in '04 my team researched this.

In the '80s, the Europeans outspent us in drug R&D. Then they enacted price controls, and drug companies could no longer afford to devote large sums to R&D. Now the US does most of the drug R&D, which means two things – the R&D burden is borne by Americans, and fewer new drugs are developed.

Do we really want to choke off drug R&D, new developments in medicine, and so on?
 
How are people with multiple chronic health conditions who see many different doctors going to see those many different doctors?

When you see them, ask what they charge!!
Usually, the answer to this is “by letting the insurance network handle it.” Because you have a fixed cost for what you pay and it’s not too hard to pick someone off your provider list. Basically every plan has an out of pocket maximum too, so after a certain point you stop having to pay more money for the year.
 
I would just note that the existence of insurance always drives up prices. When a third party is paying the bill, demand increases, and when demand increases, so do prices.

Also, when insurance or government is paying the bill, insurance administrators and bureaucrats end up overriding physicians’ medical judgment. Every doctor now is hesitatant to exercise his own clinical judgment, because government and insurance is looking over his shoulder to second guess.

I recall a conversation with my doc once when electronic health records were just beginning. He said he could make perfectly accurate clinical notes in a chart in less time than it takes to (name removed by moderator)ut them into a computer tablet with drop down menus. It takes his focus off the patient and adds 30 minutes to his day.
 
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What if there aren’t any doctors to shop around for? A lot or rural areas probably have only one heart doctor or one neurologist and there might not even be many primary care doctors to choose from.
I take it you don’t live in such an area and don’t understand how rural health care works.

Typically there is a small hospital that provides emergency care and sends patients on to a big hospital if needed. There are several local doctors who have privileges at that hospital – all you have to do is ask. Our little town (2,750 people) has four practicing physicians and a couple of specialists.

If you need something your primary care physician can’t provide, he will tell you and refer you to a specialist.
I grew up in a pretty small rural town and although I moved away, my parents still live there. There aren’t enough primary care doctors there and most of them are semi-retired and work only a few days a week. A lot of people have to settle for a Nurse Practitioner. The doctor my Dad was seeing for a while was almost as old as he was and he was over 80 then. When that old doctor suddenly retired, both of my parents had a difficult time even finding a primary care doctor to accept them as patients. And I was the one who had to contact the only neurologist in the county to make an appointment for my Dad since I noticed he was having memory problems. His primary care doctor doesn’t seem to have noticed. In the place where my parents live, I’m not sure what kind of bargaining anyone could be doing in trying to find a doctor.
 
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I recall a conversation with my doc once when electronic health records were just beginning. He said he could make perfectly accurate clinical notes in a chart in less time than it takes to (name removed by moderator)ut them into a computer tablet with drop down menus. It takes his focus off the patient and adds 30 minutes to his day.
At least if the notes are done electronically, it’s easier to make them accessible to other doctors and it also makes them more transportable if a patient moves on to another doctor.
 
One comment I’d like to make in general is paying attention to the “incidental” costs of healthcare. There’s a lot of stuff that isn’t strictly healthcare but can still be financially crippling. For example, if you need care that’s far away, you have to pay the costs of getting there and back. It’s even worse if it’s your child; a parent may need to be there but they can’t stay in the hospital. They need a hotel nearby. If you need regular care and are hourly, you’re also losing pay every time you go to the doctor. If you have a special diet that can cost a lot more money (and prevent you from using existing resources). If you need a modified shower, that’s more money out of your pocket to adjust it. All sorts of things.
 
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