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inJESUS:
And moreso, the evidence I have seen is that the tribe actually wanted this friend to judge them.
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With very soft hypo-allergenic gloves; so as to not cause any irritation.
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JoeyWarren
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I favor remote arms thru a plastic bubble…
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inJESUS
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inJESUS:
he appointed a friend to judge according to the corrupt or uncorrupt Torah? i think the answer is : uncorrupt otherwise mohammad wouldnt have asked him to do it…which means the Torah at mohammad’s time was correct right?
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this friend to judge them.
I have confirmed the tribe was judged by the Torah as Muslim stated. Thank you gentlemen.
I still believe that if Muhammed was indeed as mericiful as is claimed he would have spared the innocent regardless of Jewish law instead of profitting from it. He allowed innocent blood to be spilled and innocent people to suffer when he could have prevented it. Now you can say that by setting this example he insured other groups did not oppose him, but that is the act of a warlord, not a merciful man.
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This is a good point to establish corruption or lack of corruption. I would like to know how the Torah was viewed by Muslims at the time in question myself.
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George Waters:
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easy bro, read the quran to see all the importance it gives to our scriptures and how allah will preserve both Torah and Gospel
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I am intrigued. Have you started a separate thread on this subject? If not, might you consider starting one? I am very interested in this subject. If you don’t want to start a new thread, perhaps there is a website or somewhere I can do my own research? Thanks.Since i know arabic, and since i know most of the heretical doctrines of Hijaz and arabia, i’ll be more than happy to tell them how these heresies/doctrines ended up in quran…after that, well, i doubt they’ll come back again
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inJESUS
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there is a thread called “it appeared to them” doctrine…you find one example…
do you know arabic?
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George Waters:
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I think you could just as well make the case that it’s the policy of a man who believed that Jews and Christians had an absolute right to the preservation of their laws and customs.
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injesus, but u forgot he is a professional medical doctor too. very genious one. not like u. he knows what he is talking about. u don’t know the whole context.
u r what u eat. if u eat mcdonald & if u become fat, blame urself & mcdonald. but u may act like hypocrite by ignoring ur own skriptures. u r following paul. u r not following ur god’s laws. u r looking 4 cheap salvation. u mock ur own religion… u read only those things in ur skriptures what u want to read, which r actually not there.
listen to what Dr. zakir Naik says in detail: this is from his site:
Question:
Why is the eating of pork forbidden in Islam?
Answer:
The fact that consumption of pork is prohibited in Islam is well known. The following points explain various aspects of this prohibition:
- Pork prohibited in Qur’an
“Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than Allah.” [Al-Qur’an 5:3]
The above verses of the Holy Qur’an are sufficient to satisfy a Muslim as to why pork is forbidden.
- Pork prohibited in the Bible
“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”.
“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.”
[Leviticus 11:7-8]
Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy
“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.”
[Deuteronomy 14:8]
A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.
- Consumption of pork causes several diseases
Another dangerous helminthes is Trichura Tichurasis. A common misconception about pork is that if it is cooked well, these ova die. In a research project undertaken in America, it was found that out of twenty-four people suffering from Trichura Tichurasis, twenty two had cooked the pork very well. This indicates that the ova present in the pork do not die under normal cooking temperature.
- Pork has fat building material
- Pig is one of the filthiest animals on earth
Some may argue that in advanced countries like Australia, pigs are bred in very clean and hygienic conditions. Even in these hygienic conditions the pigs are kept together in sties. No matter how hard you try to keep them clean they are filthy by nature. They eat and enjoy their own as well as their neighbour’s excreta.
- Pig is the most shameless animal
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injesus, what right have u got with all of ur dirt & filth around u to talk about Dr. zakir Naik who is reminding u to don’t be hipocritical & don’t become like a pig, by eating it’s dirty & filthy meat which is not allowed even in ur own skriptures. do jews eat pork?
you r what you eat, injesus.
now listen to an another medical doctor:
“Effects Of Prohibited Foods, Intoxicants,
and Ingredients On Human Hormones And Behavior”
by Shahid Athar, M.D.
THE LIFE OF THE SWINE:
To get a first hand idea, I interviewed farmers of Fisher, Indiana, who breed swine. According to them “Swine is cheaper to breed, since it does not require pasture, it can live on manure and other such items including dead meat. In fact, it can even eat its own feces. Their sexual habits are also different from other animals like cow, sheep and goat. Swine have very little shame i.e. engage in sex acts anytime anyplace. The female hog is very aggressive in sexual activities when she is in “heat” she does not care about anything (i.e. food or privacy) until she has the sex. They i.e. swine, also lick the genitals of their partners after sex like dogs, but not other mammals like cow, sheep or goat.”
themodernreligion.com/health/food.html
you r what u eat.
little wonder christian America and christian Europe of paul, r the 1st producers & introducers of all kinds of filth & dirt such as filthy behaviour, free sex, incest, homosexuality, gays, lesbians, sodomites, naturists who live absolutely naked in certain areas even with their naked children, drugs, alcohol, sex-movies, hollywood x-rated movies most of which get banned most of the time in the eastern & middle eastern clean cultures. what a “clean” culture u have produced after reading & eating junky dirty filthy stuf like pork by listening to paul & ignoring Christ & god of Moses.
even in ur Italy, not far from vatican, everything is availabe from pork to live sex and sex movies openly. & ur pope lives in his own cage. his vatican now is like a small christian village in a filthy christian country all around. what a hipocrisy.
with all kinds of dirt & filth in ur own backyard, u r criticising Dr. zakir Naik? shame on u injesus.!
little wonder 2 Rome’s envoy r now muslims & they stop eating filth and dirt of pork.
injesus, what right have u got with all of ur dirt & filth around u to talk about Dr. zakir Naik who is reminding u to don’t be hipocritical & don’t become like a pig, by eating it’s dirty & filthy meat which is not allowed even in ur own skriptures. do jews eat pork?
you r what you eat, injesus.
now listen to an another medical doctor:
“Effects Of Prohibited Foods, Intoxicants,
and Ingredients On Human Hormones And Behavior”
by Shahid Athar, M.D.
THE LIFE OF THE SWINE:
To get a first hand idea, I interviewed farmers of Fisher, Indiana, who breed swine. According to them “Swine is cheaper to breed, since it does not require pasture, it can live on manure and other such items including dead meat. In fact, it can even eat its own feces. Their sexual habits are also different from other animals like cow, sheep and goat. Swine have very little shame i.e. engage in sex acts anytime anyplace. The female hog is very aggressive in sexual activities when she is in “heat” she does not care about anything (i.e. food or privacy) until she has the sex. They i.e. swine, also lick the genitals of their partners after sex like dogs, but not other mammals like cow, sheep or goat.”
themodernreligion.com/health/food.html
you r what u eat.
little wonder christian America and christian Europe of paul, r the 1st producers & introducers of all kinds of filth & dirt such as filthy behaviour, free sex, incest, homosexuality, gays, lesbians, sodomites, naturists who live absolutely naked in certain areas even with their naked children, drugs, alcohol, sex-movies, hollywood x-rated movies most of which get banned most of the time in the eastern & middle eastern clean cultures. what a “clean” culture u have produced after reading & eating junky dirty filthy stuf like pork by listening to paul & ignoring Christ & god of Moses.
even in ur Italy, not far from vatican, everything is availabe from pork to live sex and sex movies openly. & ur pope lives in his own cage. his vatican now is like a small christian village in a filthy christian country all around. what a hipocrisy.
with all kinds of dirt & filth in ur own backyard, u r criticising Dr. zakir Naik? shame on u injesus.!
little wonder 2 Rome’s envoy r now muslims & they stop eating filth and dirt of pork.
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George Waters:
pro_universal:
well atleast you have learned something today and maybe it helped open your eyes a little bit more about misconceptions of Islam…
well, I have no doubt in my mind that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would have spared them if they were not judged by the Torah…in fact the Jews WANTED the person to judge them as he was the closest ally to the Jews. the Jews accepted the judge as they thought they should live by their book… if you remembr right before the crusades, a lot of the Christians went after Jews and the Jews were hiding in some townhall or something and when they saw that they will be killed no matter what, they killed themselves because they did not want to be touched by the ‘uncircumcised’ people… Early Jews and even modern real Jews are very proud people and they follow their book to the death…
oh by the way… this is where the infamous “kill the Jews and idolators” passages come from in the Qu’ran… it is said that the Jews will betray you and they are friends of the idolators…and thats exactly what happened… the more you know eh…
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injesus,
how dare u talk nonsense about Dr.zakir when he respects and admire Christ. shame on u injesus. u cannot insinuate me by saying “…you better keep reading him [Dr. zakir naik] especially while proving your scripture prophecized his “holy” prophet”. shame on u injesus.
yes, what Dr. zakir Naik said about those prediction in my Hindu skriptures r not strange b’cause Koran tells me that “for every nation, there was a warner” sent by God & it is not a surprise at all that in the Vedic period of Hinudism in india, religion of my people was purely monotheistic.
& i’m not surprise at all to know that same God could have told us about the future advent of a great last Maha-Rishi, the final Guide, the last Prophet, Mohamed.
& it is not just my skriptures, almost all major relgions’ holy books have clear indications & predictions about the advent of Great Prophet. & they must, b’cause Prophet Mohamed seems the last one on earth if u read the Koran & my skriptures and other major religions.
injesus, don’t decieve urself, with ur hypocricy.
my Trinity (known as Trimurty) idea is superior & more “logical” than ur sensless idea of Trinity. b’cause urs’ is only 3 limited forms of incestual figures. b’cause in ur trinity, the father and his son r same after father was “married” a certain virgin mary and she gave birth to his son just like any other child.
ask urself how it is possible to become the father and the son same thing, phisically? when they cannot and shud not. this incest idea is ur own idea. it is due to paul… it is not jesus’ idea. Dr. zakir expalins that Jesus has told “my Father, who is God of all, Greater than him and Greater than all of us”. see ! how this makes sense !! this is what jesus taught. it simply means jesus is not the Father. he is not god. he is a man like u me & all of us. but he is a rishi for his own jew-nation. thus the more i listen & read Dr. zakir Naik, the more i praise abram, jesus, muhamed, moses, rama, krishna & buddha. b’cause they all clearly appear as rishis of God. but their people like ur paul, made them gods. why? to neglect their true messages. to make a mockery of them by making them gods instead of following God’s teachings. they forgot the main reason of their rishi-ness. they all claim no divnity. they were like us, human but of high charecters.
though i reject forcefully even my Trimurty idea which is infinte. now tell me why shud me accept ur incestical nonsensical Trinity dogma when i am rejecting my own infinite Trimutry concept which makes more “logical” sense than urs?
my 2 yrs old is an angel. why he shud go to hell if he is not taken bath in ur bathtub of baptism? what a nonsensical view have u got? what a mockery u r making of ur own religion, when jesus clearly is free from paul’s nonsense teachings.
on the other hand, Dr. zakir naik explains that every child in this world born sinless & and innocent & if he/she dies in his/her childhood he/she goes to the heaven b’cause he/she is not a criminal, not a sinner as they have no sense of what is as sin, what is wrong, what is good, what is bad etc. this is universal concept. this is like universal truths.
thus ur idea of “origianl sin” is a fake idea & u r basically following an enemy of ur jesus. u claim u r follow jesus. but u r actually liars. little wonder if jesus is back & shows u the mirror to u all christians and reject u all b’cause u r actually not his sheep but his enemy paul’s slaves. jesus’ message was & is very clear-cut. Dr. zakir Naik laid down in very clear & simple words, how jesus’ message was & is still clear.
how dare u talk nonsense about Dr.zakir when he respects and admire Christ. shame on u injesus.
so, u cannot insinuate me by saying “…you better keep reading him [Dr. zakir naik] especially while proving your scripture prophecized his “holy” prophet”.
shame on u injesus.
u have no objective proof to prove ur incestical senseless idea of Trinity nor the jesus’ birth without human father. u make no sense at all when u talk “logically”. it is merely ur faith, on the strength of paul’s & ur church’s lie that u inherited. u cannot stand the tes of logic, b’cause u have no ground at all.
u r what u eat, injesus. u cannot talk ill about others when u eat meat of dirty filthy homo-sexual animal-pig.
shame on u.!
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inJESUS:
Muslim… You claimed that there were no Islamic missionaires. I called you on this and said that I have met Islamic missionairies in the past. I am also good friends with some people from Germany who have met Islamic missionaires. Are there or aren’t there?
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I do not know arabic unfortunately. I found the thread, thanks so much.
As far as as this thread is concerned I can only say I would treat a Muslim with Christian love as I am called to do. I know several Muslims from Morocco and I can say one thing for sure. There are good ones and there are bad ones just like in every race or religion. Most Muslims I know are kind hearted and they serve God as they think He wants to be served. Do I agree with them on matters of religion?–or politics? No. But I would certainly treat a Muslim “missionary” with the same dignity I treat any other door to door missionary.
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Semper Fi:
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there arent… there might be people who is out there telling others about Islam which we are all told to do… because there is no official Islam organization…there is no such thing as missionary in Islam… you can tell someone about Islam but you cant pursuade someone to be Muslim nor tell anybody to be a Muslim.
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Semper Fi:
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traditional missionaries went out to convert people not really spread the message…and most of the people were converted by passive force… such as be Christian and we will give you food, etc… not in all places but there are many places where this happened…
iguess the closest to missionaries Muslism would be are crazy ones who recruit people for war against the West/non Muslims…
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