https://www.quora.com/What-do-Protestants-and-Catholics-think-of-Mormons/answer/James-Hough-1

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Horton said:
But what makes me Catholic is my relationship with Jesus Christ, it is my faith and trust in Him that defines my faith. I love the Catholic Church with all my heart, but it is Jesus Christ who owns my heart & soul.
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I hope you are blessed in your efforts to follow Christ.
 
humbleseeker said:
The word trinity is not explicitly stated in the Bible, even though it is clearly implied in the text. The doctrine, however, was developing and taught before the canon on the New Testament was set. Read these early church fathers:
Quotes from the Early Church Fathers: on the Trinity - Apostles Creed
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I skimmed through the text (but didn’t read thoroughly every last quote). However, many of them do not contain all elements necessary for the definition of the Trinity. Nowhere do the Ignatius quotes speak of the three Divine beings as consubstantial in their divinity. And Justin Martyr famously spoke of two Gods, which quote was left out of this compilation of quotes. Here it is:

[T]here is said to be, another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things; who is called an Angel…. I shall endeavor to persuade you, that He is said to have appeared to Abraham, and to Jacob, and to Moses, and who is called God, is distinct from Him who made all things – numerically, I mean, not [distinct] in will.” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho 56)

Based on this would you say Martyr is a Trinitarian?

John Henry Newman writes,
If we limit our view of the teaching of the Fathers by what they expressly state, St. Ignatius may be considered as a Patripassian, St. Justin arianizes. and St. Hippolytus is a Photinian … Tertullian is heterodox on the doctrine of our Lord’s divinity … Origen is. at the very least, suspected, and must be defended and explained rather than cited as a witness of orthodoxy; and Eusebius was a Semi-Arian. (Newman, Essay, 43)

I’m clearly not a theology historian, but I think it’s fair to say that the Doctrine of the Trinity wasn’t really a mainstream position until after the Council of Nicea. That’s my 2 cents worth…
 
SunshineGrandma said:
Whether or not you agree with everything or nothing CARM says, just refute each of the claims made in the link if they are wrong.
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I already did refute the Brigham Young virgin birth quote CARM uses when you originally trotted it out earlier. Why do you want me to refute the same thing a second time? Do you think my answer is going to change? I’m not certain that you’re reading everything thoroughly based on your requests.
SunshineGrandma said:
(Oh no- not the by the fruits you will know them comment!!)
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I love it as I see you do too! 😁 Take care and God bless you.
 
ColorMomma said:
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/darmstrong/50-biblical-evidences-for-the-holy-trinity
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I looked at this article enough to see that John 17:22 is not addressed. John 17:22 defined the oneness of God.

And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one

Jesus prays that His disciples achieve a oneness that He and The Father have. Well clearly the disciples will never be consubstantial in their divinity with each other, so therefore Jesus and The Father are likewise not consubstantial with each other in Their divinity.
 
The quotes were meant only to point out that the belief in a trinitarian Godhead was present from the earliest days of Christianity, as its documents and history shows. No person or council added it in; they only codified in a memorable formula what was already believed. It was not invented later; it was present from the very beginning.
 
The post you are responding to was meant for @lokisuperfan, so I’m not sure why you are even going on about it.

But since you are, the CARM link was about several things, not just the Virgin birth.

So, how about answering those?
 
Your interpretation of John is incorrect and disregards the many other scriptural references that describe the Trinity. Your interpretation also flies in the face of centuries of tradition and the commonly accepted norms of the Holy Trinity by the earliest Christians. It appears you are grasping at straws.
 
So, the definition is:
Common Consent - The Encyclopedia of Mormonism
Common consent is a fundamental principle of decision making at all levels in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In selecting new officers and making administrative decisions, Church leaders are instructed to seek the will of God.

You provided examples from scripture that are not God speaking, but the people.

Whether the people of Israel consent or not is irrelevant - God spoke. His message stands in its entirety.

The question was, is, why would God’s message need to be checked for accuracy?

How does God speaking to a prophet have anything to do with common consent?
 
In the OT, God is constantly and consistently pulling the Hebrews, His people, away from polytheism. They are constantly and consistently falling into and practicing polytheistic worship. Until finally, post exile, we have the Shema, and God’s people are monotheistic in their worship of God.

“Hear O’ Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One“

Orthodox Jews believe God commands then to recite the Shena on a daily basis. This underlined the importance of what God has revealed.

In the NT, Jesus Christ reveals that He is God. Thus He reveals God to us and what Jesus revealed is that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

As Christians, we believe by faith what God has revealed in scripture. God is One and God is Three.

This is the God of Christianity. The God Who we worship.

Mormons denounce the God who Christians worship and are at most, Christians who have fallen backwards, into polytheistic beliefs and worship.
 
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life,[a] and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. He came as a witness, to bear witness about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not the light, but came to bear witness about the light. The true light, which gives light to everyone, was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made through him, yet the world did not know him. He came to his own, and his own people[c] did not receive him. But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us , and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son[d] from the Father, full of grace and truth. - John 1:1-14

This is not the God of Mormonism. As Mormons have said, they believe flesh will become another God.
 
Horton said:
The New Testament itself is far from any doctrine of the Trinity or of a triune God who is three co-equal Persons of One Nature. (William J. Hill, The Three-Personed God (Washington DC: The Catholic University of America Press, 1982), 27.)
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So you are either unwilling or unable to quote the whole paragraph? I can send you the link if that is the problem. When you claim Catholic scholars refute the doctrine of the trinity, you should be able to back it up with more than some isolated sentences taken out of context. The only thing this type of behavior proves is the LDS are untrustworthy when discussing religions other than their own. And if they are untrustworthy there…?
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I don’t want to derail this thread but a quick question? What other denominations are non Trinitarian? Thanks…
 
Do you mean what denominations that claim to be Christian are non-Trinitarian?
 
Well, that’s a good question. Some say that rejecting the Trinity would automatically disqualify a religion from being called Christian.

However, we know that there are religions that disagree with that requirement.

Here’s the most comprehensive list I can find from Wikipedia:
In terms of number of adherents, nontrinitarian denominations comprise a minority of modern Christianity. The largest nontrinitarian Christian denominations are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (“Mormons”), Oneness Pentecostals, Jehovah’s Witnesses, La Luz del Mundo and the Iglesia ni Cristo, though there are a number of other smaller groups, including Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, Dawn Bible Students, Living Church of God, Assemblies of Yahweh, Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God International, and the United Church of God.[
 
But we do know through the teaching of Jesus that believing in the trinity is what makes one Christian.

HUGE DISCLAIMER - There isn’t a specific biblical teaching stating that exact thing. It comes from the whole of Christ’s teaching, the work of the ECFs, and oral tradition.
 
Good to be aware of this even though it would be hard to articulate differences between so many groups. I am guessing most originate in US.

All the more reason to acknowledge what we share with our nonCatholic brethren.
 
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